iPhone X Returning Xs/Xs Max and Getting the Xr...

[44267547]

3D Touch seems be have been a "huge mistake" (Phil Schiller’s words)

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...le-new-iphone-3d-touch-pencil-support-missing

You totally took Schillers quote out of context completely. He did _not_ say 3D Touch ‘seems to be a huge mistake’, so I will list the quote what he did say directly for others to read what you misconstrued:

“Engineering-wise, the hardware to build a display that does what [3D Touch] does is unbelievably hard,” says [Phil Schiller, Apple’s marketing chief]. “And we’re going to waste a whole year of engineering — really, two — at a tremendous amount of cost and investment in manufacturing if it doesn’t do something that [people] are going to use. If it’s just a demo feature and a month later nobody is really using it, this is a huge waste of engineering talent.”

Schiller was saying that if no one is using 3D Touch, then it was a huge waste of engineering talent for a ‘demo feature’, but he never said it was a ‘huge mistake’ in actually making 3D Touch in the first place.

 

[dspdoc]

I didn’t see Schiller stating that in his quote in that article, also that article states Ming-Chi Kuo claimed Apple would ditch 3D Touch THIS year, he got that wrong then.. I don’t trust what analysts claim.

You can believe whatever you want. The writing is on the wall. Let's revisit this thread in 2019 and see who was right.
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[NJHitmen]

I just find it a little silly to consider the screen equally as good, like you would choose it regardless if they were priced the same.

No, I certainly don’t expect the LCD to be as good as the OLED - all things being equal, I’m pretty sure I’d prefer the latter. I can understand someone preferring the LCD if they’re sensitive to PWM flickering - but that’s the only logical reason I can think of. In all other (important) respects, OLED should be superior.

That said, it’s possible the LCD is good enough such that the compromise seems minimal. Or, who knows, it might be a HUGE downgrade from OLED. We’ll see.

 

[44267547]

I didn't misquote anything. That quote is in an article.

This is what you said directly:

3D Touch seems be have been a "huge mistake" (Phil Schiller’s words).

No, it’s not in the article. Phil Schiller never said 3D Touch was a huge mistake. He was saying if it was demo feature never used , then it’s a huge waste of engineering talent. Schiller Never even use the word “mistake” in that quote, so you essentially completely reiterated that quote in your own words, which was not true. Re-read the quote again before you post slander Schiller or Apple.

 

[dspdoc]

This is what you said directly:



No, it’s not in the article. Phil Schiller never said 3D Touch was a huge mistake. He was saying if it was demo feature never used , then it’s a huge waste of engineering talent. Schiller Never even use the word “mistake” in that quote, so you essentially completely reiterated that quote in your own words, which was not true. Re-read the quote again before you post slander Schiller or Apple.

That quote did not come from me. I found it in an article. Let me locate it again.

That was a statement by dyslexictom at https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...4/iphone-xs-max-3d-touch-waste-features-apple

So go attack dyslexictom...

 

[ultravegeta1981]

If my eyes could withstand the PWM of OLED screens,the XS would have been my choice. Love the smaller form factor and I do use 3D touch slot. Shame they skipped it in the XR.

The screen on the XS and MAX are better,no one can't deny that, it's just a shame some people like myself can not use it.

 

[dspdoc]

If my eyes could withstand the PWM of OLED screens,the XS would have been my choice. Love the smaller form factor and I do use 3D touch slot. Shame they skipped it in the XR.

The screen on the XS and MAX are better,no one can't deny that, it's just a shame some people like myself can not use it.

I can deny they are "better". But I cannot deny that they are different. "Better" is a perception.

 

[DNichter]

No, I certainly don’t expect the LCD to be as good as the OLED - all things being equal, I’m pretty sure I’d prefer the latter. I can understand someone preferring the LCD if they’re sensitive to PWM flickering - but that’s the only logical reason I can think of. In all other (important) respects, OLED should be superior.

That said, it’s possible the LCD is good enough such that the compromise seems minimal. Or, who knows, it might be a HUGE downgrade from OLED. We’ll see.

Oh yea for sure, I definitely agree with that. As you said, Apple’s LCD screens are among the best and I’m sure they will be good enough for a ton of people. I expect the XR to sell very well, but mainly because of cost.

 

[ultravegeta1981]

I can deny they are "better". But I cannot deny that they are different. "Better" is a perception.

Well,the ppi is higher,the resolution is too. It is rated as the best display on any mobile phone ever by Displaymate.

 

[dspdoc]

Oh yea for sure, I definitely agree with that. As you said, Apple’s LCD screens are among the best and I’m sure they will be good enough for a ton of people. I expect the XR to sell very well, but mainly because of cost.

I can think of 4 great reasons outside of cost.

1. Image persistence/retention
2. Blue shift
3. PWM sensitivity
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/7uv6m3/iphone_x_uses_pulse_width_modulation_which_is_a/
4. Battery efficiency

 

[DNichter]

I can think of 4 great reasons outside of cost.

1. Image persistence/retention
2. Blue shift
3. PWM sensitivity
4. Battery efficiency

Look, in the end, buy what you want. You don’t need everyone’s approval to go buy the XR. You don’t need to rally together everyone you can to justify your decision. Just buy whatever you want and be happy with your purchase.

 

[dspdoc]

Look, in the end, buy what you want. You don’t need everyone’s approval to go buy the XR. You don’t need to rally together everyone you can to justify your decision. Just buy whatever you want and be happy with your purchase.

LOL I am not trying to "rally" anyone or justify anything. I am merely trying to have a open discussion about the pros and cons of all the device choices. I am not the one getting defensive. It seems some people are though. Maybe that is people trying to justify their purchase...? When you drop over a thousand dollars on a phone I guess you are entitled to defend your purchase decision with your life.

It's human nature to get pissy when you're questioning your decisions I guess. I am totally confident that the Xr will be THE BEST device for many, and not based solely on price either.

 

[Donnation]

Yes I have the issues listed, including image retention and blue shift.

Have you watched any of the hands on videos with the Xr? The screen is plenty sharp.

I think the Xr is an excellent choice.

I’m not sure a hands on video translates to a sharper screen because you will have to be looking at it in person. I think the screen will be ok but I think there will be a noticeable difference when looking at it. Again, if not, the Plus models would have had that same resolution if it wasn’t noticeable.

 

[dspdoc]

I’m not sure a hands on video translates to a sharper screen because you will have to be looking at it in person. I think the screen will be ok but I think there will be a noticeable difference when looking at it. Again, if not, the Plus models would have had that same resolution if it wasn’t noticeable.

We shall see... I loved my 8+ and I have PWM sensitivity so I am certain I will love the Xr. As I said before, I hope Apple never fully abandons LCDs because there are instances when it is better for certain people. I am one of those people.
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[DNichter]

LOL I am not trying to "rally" anyone or justify anything. I am merely trying to have a open discussion about the pros and cons of all the device choices. I am not the one getting defensive. It seems some people are though. Maybe that is people trying to justify their purchase...? When you drop over a thousand dollars on a phone I guess you are entitled to defend your purchase decision with your life.

It's human nature to get pissy when you're questioning your decisions I guess. I am totally confident that the Xr will be THE BEST device for many, and not based solely on price either.

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[dspdoc]

Whatever makes you feel better.

I feel great! Thanks for your concern though. Hope you are doing well too. Enjoy your Xs Max!!

 

[-M4-]

I’m not sure a hands on video translates to a sharper screen because you will have to be looking at it in person. I think the screen will be ok but I think there will be a noticeable difference when looking at it. Again, if not, the Plus models would have had that same resolution if it wasn’t noticeable.

That has to do with their scaling scheme for resolution. The 2x (which the non-plus versions use) on a 5,5" screen would be reduced to 200dpi, lower than their Retina standards. Therefore, they chose to go for a 3x and then downsample that to 1080p. Curiously, the XR will also use the 3x scaling, just like the Max. I'm guessing they either couldn't create a rounded LCD capable of natural 3x resolution without downsampling or they didn't want to abandon their 326ppi or even it's a trade-off for lower price. My guess is it's a little bit of each of those.

 

[ssledoux]

Well I certainly didn’t intend to return my XS Max for an XR (I was SUPER pumped about getting the XS Max), and the jury is still out on whether or not I’ll give up my 8+ and get an XR, but I got a pretty bad headache after a fairly short time using the OLED screen, so I’m thinking the OLED is not for me.

I realize in some ways people would consider the XR a downgrade even from the 8+, but honestly, I don’t think the screen difference would be noticeable for me, and I’m a little excited about the prospect of having a slightly smaller phone. I have loved my pluses and I knew I didn’t want to go XS (and it appears I wouldn’t have been able to with the screen issue), but the thought of a good middle ground that I can more easily use one-handed without giving up screen size sounds pretty exciting to me.

As of now I’m planning to wait until I can see them in store, but honestly, I may be suckered into preordering.

 

[dspdoc]

Well I certainly didn’t intend to return my XS Max for an XR (I was SUPER pumped about getting the XS Max), and the jury is still out on whether or not I’ll give up my 8+ and get an XR, but I got a pretty bad headache after a fairly short time using the OLED screen, so I’m thinking the OLED is not for me.

I realize in some ways people would consider the XR a downgrade even from the 8+, but honestly, I don’t think the screen difference would be noticeable for me, and I’m a little excited about the prospect of having a slightly smaller phone. I have loved my pluses and I knew I didn’t want to go XS (and it appears I wouldn’t have been able to with the screen issue), but the thought of a good middle ground that I can more easily use one-handed without giving up screen size sounds pretty exciting to me.

As of now I’m planning to wait until I can see them in store, but honestly, I may be suckered into preordering.

PWM sensitivity is no fun! If you like the 8+ I am certain you'll love the Xr.

 

[Donnation]

We shall see... I loved my 8+ and I have PWM sensitivity so I am certain I will love the Xr. As I said before, I hope Apple never fully abandons LCDs because there are instances when it is better for certain people. I am one of those people.
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Lol never once In your previous posts did you mention PWM sensitivity. I would think that would be the first thing you mentioned as a reason to get rid of the XS Max.

You mention others WiFi issues.

You mention others screen saturation (with ios12)

You mention some with a yellow tint (and I’ve been in that thread and it’s ridiculous)

You also mention an issue with image retention.

Never once did you mention a sensitivity to Pulse-Width Modulation. I would think that would be the #1 issue brought up by you. But you don’t mention it until someone else late in the thread says they have it. And you can’t add it in now because it will show as edited. Just seems odd you throw that end so late. It’s almost like someone else mentioned it, you looked it up, and thought “ooh, this is a good reason too.”

 

[dspdoc]

Lol never once In your previous posts did you mention PWM sensitivity. I would think that would be the first thing you mentioned as a reason to get rid of the XS Max.

You mention others WiFi issues.

You mention others screen saturation (with ios12)

You mention some with a yellow tint (and I’ve been in that thread and it’s ridiculous)

You also mention an issue with image retention.

Never once did you mention a sensitivity to Pulse-Width Modulation. I would think that would be the #1 issue brought up by you. But you don’t mention it until someone else late in the thread says they have it. And you can’t add it in now because it will show as edited. Just seems odd you throw that end so late. It’s almost like someone else mentioned it, you looked it up, and thought “ooh, this is a good reason too.”

LMAO seriously? What in the world are you trying prove here? Like there's some big motive to my post. No seriously, I am LOL right now. Just because I didn't list things in a specific order you are making an ordeal out of it. I am sorry but that is just weird, if not verging on creepy. The amount of thought you are putting into this is frightening. What do you care what issues I have? This isn't some sort of conspiracy. Weird...

 

[ryanwarsaw]

You just lost your house.

That's ironic coming from a guy who returned his phone so he could pay his rent.

 

[dspdoc]

That's ironic coming from a guy who returned his phone so he could pay his rent.

I don't know who you are referring to, but way to come in and take a post completely out of context. LOL

 

[ryanwarsaw]

I agree. There are lots of people who will not (at least not yet) pay $1000+ US for a phone, even if it's a great compact computer. I'm one of them. Were it not for the prospect of the XR, I would seriously be looking at Androids, even though I want to stay in the Apple ecosystem.

Regardless the motivation, I'm glad Apple is releasing the XR. I don't see it being the "5c" of 2018.

Yes, the only distinction that matters is price basically. I understand why people will probably buy the XR in record numbers. However if you asked any one of them if the price was the same it's another story. sorry that's my captain obvious moment.
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I don't know who you are referring to, but way to come in and take a post completely out of context. LOL

My post was made in jest. Sorry if you thought otherwise.

 

[dspdoc]

Yes, the only distinction that matters is price basically. I understand why people will probably buy the XR in record numbers. However if you asked any one of them if the price was the same it's another story. sorry that's my captain obvious moment.
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My post was made in jest. Sorry if you thought otherwise.

I disagree, and you cannot speak for other people. Some people will simply like the Xr better for a variety of reasons, nothing to do with money. You're basing your assumptions on what YOU like and what YOU think is best. We know what assumptions do.