iPhone X Returning Xs/Xs Max and Getting the Xr...

[Donnation]

LMAO seriously? What in the world are you trying prove here? Like there's some big motive to my post. No seriously I am LOL right now. Just because I didn't list things in a specific order you are making an ordeal out of it. I am sorry but that is just weird, if not verging on creepy. The amount of thought you are putting into this is frightening. What do you care what issues I have? This isn't some sort of conspiracy. Weird...

Where did I say I cared about what issues you have? You've taken a great amount of time to post all of these issues you have with the XS Max. A LOT OF TIME. You've posted link after link after link. In not one single post did you ever mention PWM sensitivity. I would simply think that would be the #1 reason to not have an OLED phone. In fact, no reason is more important than that one. But you never mention it until someone else says they have it.

The thing is, you listed your issues. You listed the things above, as well as 3D Touch. No one said you had to list them in order, I would just think that sensitivity would be at the top of your list for not having OLED.

And Hahahahah, you are the one that's put all of the thought and effort into this thread. Look at all of the links and comments you've made. I've only read it. And as I read down and saw that someone said they can't use OLED because they have that sensitivity I thought, "Wow, yes that's a great reason." And then shortly after you chime in and say "Oh yeah I also have PWM sensitivity." That seems a little off to me.

I'm sure someone else will come up with another issue and you'll chime in shortly after with "Oh yeah, I have that too." And I'll laugh again when I read it.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

I disagree, and you cannot speak for other people. Some people will simply like the Xr better for a variety of reasons, nothing to do with money. You're basing your assumptions on what YOU like and what YOU think is best. We know what assumptions do.

So your assertion is, that if I made a poll and asked which most people would rather take for free the XR or XS Max, you think it would be even close to anything but lopsided? Welcome to the real world over 95% take the max if price is not an issue.

 

[dspdoc]

Where did I say I cared about what issues you have? You've taken a great amount of time to post all of these issues you have with the XS Max. A LOT OF TIME. You've posted link after link after link. In not one single post did you ever mention PWM sensitivity. I would simply think that would be the #1 reason to not have an OLED phone. In fact, no reason is more important than that one. But you never mention it until someone else says they have it.

The thing is, you listed your issues. You listed the things above, as well as 3D Touch. No one said you had to list them in order, I would just think that sensitivity would be at the top of your list for not having OLED.

And Hahahahah, you are the one that's put all of the thought and effort into this thread. Look at all of the links and comments you've made. I've only read it. And as I read down and saw that someone said they can't use OLED because they have that sensitivity I thought, "Wow, yes that's a great reason." And then shortly after you chime in and say "Oh yeah I also have PWM sensitivity." That seems a little off to me.

I'm sure someone else will come up with another issue and you'll chime in shortly after with "Oh yeah, I have that too." And I'll laugh again when I read it.

You're wrong. I brought that up long before the other person posted about it. You're timeline is off. It is irrelevant though.

I have never understood why some people come on these forums just to get their jollies off being rude and thinking they are "calling someone out". Apparently you have nothing better to do than attack someone. If that's fun for you I am sorry. How disappointing that must be.
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So your assertion is, that if I made a poll and asked which most people would rather take for free the XR or XS Max, you think it would be even close to anything but lopsided? Welcome to the real world over 95% take the max if price is not an issue.

That's in your world my friend. Most expensive does not always equate to "better". The executives at Apple are surely glad you think that way though... If you are a shareholder it fits your agenda perfectly.

 

[Krayzkat]

I dunno I might return this Xs and go for the Xr.

I’m really not bothered about the lower display PPI etc, as I can barely notice any difference between my 6s Plus screen and the Xs screen.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

You're wrong. I brought that up long before the other person posted about it. You're timeline is off. It is irrelevant though.

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I have never understood why some people come on these forums just to get their jollies off being rude and thinking they are "calling someone out". Apparently you have nothing better to do than attack someone. If that's fun for you I am sorry. How disappointing that must be.
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That's in your world my friend. Most expensive does not always equate to "better". The executives at Apple are surely glad you think that way though... If you are a shareholder it fits your agenda perfectly.

My signature makes it pretty transparent about what my position is. Yet as a mere mortal I don't think anybody would take an XR for free over an XSMax. It's a money thing which seems to elude you.

 

[dspdoc]

My signature makes it pretty transparent about what my position is. Yet as a mere mortal I don't think anybody would take an XR for free over an XSMax. It's a money thing which seems to elude you.

As a "mere mortal" I am telling you that there is a high likelihood that I will like the Xr better than the Xs Max I currently own. The reasons for which I have already spelled out more than once. I will let you know when that day comes.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

As a "mere mortal" I am telling you that there is a high likelihood that I will like the Xr better than the Xs Max I currently own. The reasons for which I have already spelled out more than once. I will let you know when that day comes.

As a shareholder I am waiting for that day. Thank you.

 

[Donnation]

You're wrong. I brought that up long before the other person posted about it. You're timeline is off. It is irrelevant though.

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I have never understood why some people come on these forums just to get their jollies off being rude and thinking they are "calling someone out". Apparently you have nothing better to do than attack someone. If that's fun for you I am sorry. How disappointing that must be.
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That's in your world my friend. Most expensive does not always equate to "better". The executives at Apple are surely glad you think that way though... If you are a shareholder it fits your agenda perfectly.

Hahaha, I'm sorry but you posted that after someone mentioned literally 4 posts before yours. And please, you've gone after anybody who's challenged you on anything you've stated in here. If you can't stand the heat then don't start the threads. I'm certainly not attacking you, I'm simply stating that I would think that PWM sensitivity would be very high on your list and not something that you mention you have AFTER someone else deep in the thread says they have it.

 

[EugW]

That video the thread starter posted is not completely accurate.

You don't have to hold a 326 ppi screen inches from your face to tell that it's lower density than say an Apple OLED phone. I can tell that at 12 inches for example.

That said, I think 326 ppi screen at 12-18 inches (normal viewing distance) is OK for most people, especially anyone who likes an iPhone 8, but my preference is for higher pixel density.

My plan? Not to buy anything for myself. I'm keeping my 401 ppi 7 Plus for now. For my wife, I'm upgrading her from a 6s to a XR.

That has to do with their scaling scheme for resolution. The 2x (which the non-plus versions use) on a 5,5" screen would be reduced to 200dpi, lower than their Retina standards. Therefore, they chose to go for a 3x and then downsample that to 1080p. Curiously, the XR will also use the 3x scaling, just like the Max. I'm guessing they either couldn't create a rounded LCD capable of natural 3x resolution without downsampling or they didn't want to abandon their 326ppi or even it's a trade-off for lower price. My guess is it's a little bit of each of those.

Not sure what you're getting at but the XR uses x2 scaling, and has a 6.1" screen. The XR does NOT use x3 scaling. It displays the same amount of information as the Max, but at x2.

A 5.5" 19.5:9 screen with x2 scaling would work too, and not at 200 ppi, but at 326 ppi again, and that would be a screen that would show the same amount of information as the XS (non-Max). In fact, I've predicted this very beast for 2019:

5.5" x2 LCD (326 ppi) <-- New product for 2019.
5.8" x3 XS
6.1" x2 XR (326 ppi)
6.5" x3 XS Max

The first two models show the same amount of information as each other.
The last two models show the same amount of information as each other.

I didn’t see Schiller stating that in his quote in that article, also that article states Ming-Chi Kuo claimed Apple would ditch 3D Touch THIS year, he got that wrong then.. I don’t trust what analysts claim.

AFAIK, Ming-Chi Kuo never claimed Apple would ditch 3D Touch across the board this year. According to the original articles (in Chinese), Ming-Chi Kuo said that the new LCD model would adopt CGS, and would lose 3D Touch, just in that model.

The article then goes on to report that Ming-Chi Kuo said that in 2019, the OLED models would get CGS as well, but that was the end of it. IIRC it doesn't actually say that in 2019 the OLED models would lose 3D Touch too, but many journalists are extrapolating from the loss of 3D Touch in the XR with CGS that the OLEDs with CGS in 2019 would also lose 3D Touch.

Yes that may happen, but AFAIK, that's not what was actually said in the article.

 

[dspdoc]

Hahaha, I'm sorry but you posted that after someone mentioned literally 4 posts before yours. And please, you've gone after anybody who's challenged you on anything you've stated in here. If you can't stand the heat then don't start the threads. I'm certainly not attacking you, I'm simply stating that I would think that PWM sensitivity would be very high on your list and not something that you mention you have AFTER someone else deep in the thread says they have it.

Once again, I apologize that I didn't post things in a order that you would like to see. But playing MR detective is pretty funny. And yes, you are attacking me. Otherwise you would just move on. Your need to be right far outweighs your good nature. Have a nice evening. Oh, and thanks for your concern about my PWM sensitivity. It means a lot to know you care.
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That video the thread starter posted is not completely accurate.

You don't have to hold a 326 ppi screen inches from your face to tell that it's lower density than say an Apple OLED phone. I can tell that at 12 inches for example.

That said, I think 326 ppi screen at 12-18 inches (normal viewing distance) is OK for most people, especially anyone who likes an iPhone 8, but my preference is for higher pixel density.

My plan? Not to buy anything for myself. I'm keeping my 401 ppi 7 Plus for now. For my wife, I'm upgrading her from a 6s to a XR.


Not sure what you're getting at but the XR uses x2 scaling, and has a 6.1" screen. The XR does NOT use x3 scaling. It displays the same amount of information as the Max, but at x2.

A 5.5" 19.5:9 screen with x2 scaling would work too, and not at 200 ppi, but at 326 ppi again, and that would be a screen that would show the same amount of information as the XS (non-Max). In fact, I've predicted this very beast for 2019:

5.5" x2 LCD (326 ppi) <-- New product for 2019.
5.8" x3 XS
6.1" x2 XR (326 ppi)
6.5" x3 XS Max

The first two models show the same amount of information as each other.
The last two models show the same amount of information as each other.


AFAIK, Ming-Chi Kuo never claimed Apple would ditch 3D Touch across the board this year. According to the original articles (in Chinese), Ming-Chi Kuo said that the new LCD model would adopt CGS, and would lose 3D Touch, just in that model.

The article then goes on to report that Ming-Chi Kuo said that in 2019, the OLED models would get CGS as well, but that was the end of it. IIRC it doesn't actually say that in 2019 the OLED models would lose 3D Touch too, but many journalists are extrapolating from the loss of 3D Touch in the XR with CGS that the OLEDs in CGS in 2019 would also lose 3D Touch.

Yes that may happen, but AFAIK, that's not what was actually said in the article.

Excellents points! IMHO I just feel the writing is on the wall as far as 3D Touch going away. But then again I could be wrong. I am just sort of speculating much like the people in these articles. If I were a betting person though my money would be on it getting phased out. It just makes sense. The trail is leading that way.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

Nobody is attacking you, we want to keep you in the ecosystem. However when you post trash you will catch some flak.

 

[EugW]

Excellents points! IMHO I just feel the writing is on the wall as far as 3D Touch going away. But then again I could be wrong. I am just sort of speculating much like the people in these articles. If I were a betting person though my money would be on it getting phased out. It just makes sense. The trail is leading that way.

Yes. I am not sure, but some signs are pointing to 3D Touch getting ditched for good in 2019, even in the OLED models. But without knowing the intricacies of supply chain details and screen design, I have to say it so far it still falls into the category of speculation.

However, I think 3D Touch SHOULD be ditched. Ditching it would improve the consistency of the UI, and it would lower hardware costs.

 

[dspdoc]

Nobody is attacking you, we want to keep you in the ecosystem. However when you post trash you will catch some flak.

Do not talk to me that way. I didn't post any "trash". I am sure you are one of the last people Apple would want representing their bottom line. You lack tact. Extremely poor PR.
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Yes. I am not sure, but some signs are pointing to 3D Touch getting ditched for good in 2019, even in the OLED models. But without knowing the intricacies of supply chain details and screen design, I have to say it so far it still falls into the category of speculation.

However, I think 3D Touch SHOULD be ditched. Ditching it would improve the consistency of the UI, and it would lower hardware costs.

100% agree

 

[trifid]

I also heard the iPhone's OLED can be hard to see outside in full sunlight and that iPhone LCDs such as in iPhone 8 is better in this regard.

 

[apolloa]

I also heard the iPhone's OLED can be hard to see outside in full sunlight and that iPhone LCDs such as in iPhone 8 is better in this regard.

Usually it’s the other way round. OLED is easier to see in sunlight. Be interesting if what you say is true though.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

Do not talk to me that way. I didn't post any "trash". I am sure you are one of the last people Apple would want representing their bottom line. You lack tact. Extremely poor PR.
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100% agree

At least I am not so self absorbed that I buy and return phones as I feel on a whim. It takes a lot of self entitlement to do that. Then again the second hand market for these phones and parts are heating up. If your phone goes directly back to Apple I think it is okay. Competiton for used phones is real and a spin off industry.

 

[aneftp]

Agreed! I buy mine outright. I am not getting stuck in some ridiculous payment plan with my carrier.

Who says you are stuck. You have option of paying off installment anytime

Heck I got an unbelievable deal for iPhone 8 Plus 64gb November 2017 ($799 msrp plus $300 sams club/Walmart gift card). So including taxes it cost me around $850. Since Walmart/sams club gift card is like cash to me (grocery store etc shopping)

My true out of pocket cost was around $550 for iPhone 8 Plus. Sams club also waived the stupid att activation fee.

I sold my iPhone 8 Plus for $500 last week.

So it literally cost me a whopping $50 to use the iPhone 8 Plus for 10.5 months on “installment plan”. And I paid off installment plan within 15 days last year and got it unlocked. So am eligible for any carrier installment promo again.

So that’s how u got to play the installment game.

For the iPhone Xs max. I just paid full price cause I didn’t want to wait till November when the carriers have their promos around holiday times (target Best Buy Walmart Costco etc routine have $200-300 gift card installment promos) even on the lastest iPhones.

So it does pay to be on post paid carrier family plans in the USA.

 

[dspdoc]

At least I am not so self absorbed that I buy and return phones as I feel on a whim. It takes a lot of self entitlement to do that. Then again the second hand market for these phones and parts are heating up. If your phone goes directly back to Apple I think it is okay. Competiton for used phones is real and a spin off industry.

Not sure what that delusion tangent was all about, but ummmm okay. LOL
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Who says you are stuck. You have option of paying off installment anytime

Heck I got an unbelievable deal for iPhone 8 Plus 64gb November 2017 ($799 msrp plus $300 sams club/Walmart gift card). So including taxes it cost me around $850. Since Walmart/sams club gift card is like cash to me (grocery store etc shopping)

My true out of pocket cost was around $550 for iPhone 8 Plus. Sams club also waived the stupid att activation fee.

I sold my iPhone 8 Plus for $500 last week.

So it literally cost me a whopping $50 to use the iPhone 8 Plus for 10.5 months on “installment plan”. And I paid off installment plan within 15 days last year and got it unlocked. So am eligible for any carrier installment promo again.

So that’s how u got to play the installment game.

For the iPhone Xs max. I just paid full price cause I didn’t want to wait till November when the carriers have their promos around holiday times (target Best Buy Walmart Costco etc routine have $200-300 gift card installment promos) even on the lastest iPhones.

So it does pay to be on post paid carrier family plans in the USA.

I play the buy/sell iPhone game very well. It is awesome how well they hold their value and how good the resale is. Each year come upgrade time I sell mine and use the funds to put towards the new device. There usually isn't too much I have to come up with out of pocket. I rarely loose any money. It works out fantastically.

 

[840quadra]

Yes. I am not sure, but some signs are pointing to 3D Touch getting ditched for good in 2019, even in the OLED models. But without knowing the intricacies of supply chain details and screen design, I have to say it so far it still falls into the category of speculation.

However, I think 3D Touch SHOULD be ditched. Ditching it would improve the consistency of the UI, and it would lower hardware costs.

Interesting viewpoint. I don't honestly believe the device cost would go down if 3D Touch was ditched, the R&D $$ (the biggest cost) to make it work with LCD and OLED has already been spent.

It's clear that I am in the minority, but myself and some good personal friends would be really heartbroken if Apple ditched this (dare I say) revolutionary feature. I use Force touch on my watch and MacBook daily, as well as 3D Touch on my iPhone for many things. There are some things it does better and faster than long press (I live in Android too), and it gives iOS phones an input method no other device has.

The biggest problem with 3D Touch, Apple did little to promote it or educate it's user base that it even exists.

 

[dspdoc]

Interesting viewpoint. I don't honestly believe the device cost would go down if 3D Touch was ditched, the R&D $$ (the biggest cost) to make it work with LCD and OLED has already been spent.

It's clear that I am in the minority, but myself and some good personal friends would be really heartbroken if Apple ditched this (dare I say) revolutionary feature. I use Force touch on my watch and MacBook daily, as well as 3D Touch on my iPhone for many things. There are some things it does better and faster than long press (I live in Android too), and it gives iOS phones an input method no other device has.

The biggest problem with 3D Touch, Apple did little to promote it or educate it's user base that it even exists.

I agree. They treated it more like a subpar feature. Therefore the lack of adoption is really on Apple.

 

[EugW]

Interesting viewpoint. I don't honestly believe the device cost would go down if 3D Touch was ditched, the R&D $$ (the biggest cost) to make it work with LCD and OLED has already been spent.

It's clear that I am in the minority, but myself and some good personal friends would be really heartbroken if Apple ditched this (dare I say) revolutionary feature. I use Force touch on my watch and MacBook daily, as well as 3D Touch on my iPhone for many things. There are some things it does better and faster than long press (I live in Android too), and it gives iOS phones an input method no other device has.

The biggest problem with 3D Touch, Apple did little to promote it or educate it's user base that it even exists.

According to the article, removing 3D Touch from the iPhone reduces component costs.

I agree. They treated it more like a subpar feature. Therefore the lack of adoption is really on Apple.

I didn't like the implementation either. Not only do you have to touch, you have to apply differential pressures. Sometimes I wouldn't press hard enough. Sometimes I'd press hard enough only to discover there was no 3D Touch contextual action to press. And sometimes I'd press too hard to get an action I didn't want. It makes for an inconsistent UI.

 

[rulymammoth]

I didn't like the implementation either. Not only do you have to touch, you have to apply differential pressures. Sometimes I wouldn't press hard enough. Sometimes I'd press hard enough only to discover there was no 3D Touch contextual action to press. And sometimes I'd press too hard to get an action I didn't want. It makes for an inconsistent UI.

Yeah, it's really quite confusing for the average person. On top of that, there are no visual cues as to how/when to use it. Most people on MacRumors wouldn't have an issue, but your average Joe would never be able to consistently figure out how to use 3D Touch.

 

[Dave FL]

Agreed! I buy mine outright. I am not getting stuck in some ridiculous payment plan with my carrier.

Yep. Some people don’t realize there are four dings on their credit bureau files, lowering their FICO scores for a small carrier “revolving charge” (1. Ding for bureau inquiry, 2. Ding for opening new credit account, 3. Ding for high balance on the new charge account and 4. Ding for shortening the average age of your credit history.) Best just put it on a credit card.

 

[840quadra]

According to the article, removing 3D Touch from the iPhone reduces component costs.


I didn't like the implementation either. Not only do you have to touch, you have to apply differential pressures. Sometimes I wouldn't press hard enough. Sometimes I'd press hard enough only to discover there was no 3D Touch contextual action to press. And sometimes I'd press too hard to get an action I didn't want. It makes for an inconsistent UI.

It is configurable. The default setting is way too soft for me as well.

I don't use it for everything, I can rarely get it to work properly as a selection tool, but for a Cursor, it is a godsend. I actually miss 3D Touch cursor on my Pixel 2, and iPad Pro for that reason alone. But also use contextual menus on many apps for quick actions from springboard too.

 

[EugW]

It is configurable. The default setting is way too soft for me as well.

I don't use it for everything, I can rarely get it to work properly as a selection tool, but for a Cursor, it is a godsend. I actually miss 3D Touch cursor on my Pixel 2, and iPad Pro for that reason alone. But also use contextual menus on many apps for quick actions from springboard too.

Long press the space bar to get cursor mode on your iPad.