I thought you needed at least Windows 8 to install/run Windows on the 4,1/5,1 in EFI mode? We already knew that you couldn't boot even Windows 10 in legacy mode using the card.
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RTX Series Cards have Native Bootscreen Support!
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I thought you needed at least Windows 8 to install/run Windows on the 4,1/5,1 in EFI mode? We already knew that you couldn't boot even Windows 10 in legacy mode using the card.
Officialy yes, but I was amazed that it passed Loading screen and "Starting Windows" logo appeared. It happens only with this card. I'll do more testing over the weekend.
How does, "Doesn't boot Windows" equal " Complete failure"?
Build a PC, boot Window$.
While mildly funny, and some truth to the statement-it isn't a failure until you give up or brick something IMO. I'd always definitely suggest taking a break before the latter occurs. LOL
If it was easier, everyone would do it. The whole point of the thread is a RTX in a genuine MP 5,1-not a custom hackintosh. Window's just happens to be the only mainstream OS for which there are RTX drivers readily available.
Drive-on Spacedust, I look forward to hearing of your successes so I can get inspired to install one too, hopefully sooner rather than later! I'm crossing my fingers the 2060 may be a little closer to what I can spend in reality. TechPowerUp has it estimated sitting pretty next to the Vega 56 and 1070Ti in a lower power package on their performance chart.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2060.c3310
https://www.gizbot.com/gaming/news/...-leaked-expected-cost-349-dollars-056315.html
I have my concerns considering their past with the XX60 series cards and their memory though.
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Jarred Land’s latest post on Facebook, talking about RTX compatibility with Mojave.
Basically he talked to the folks at Apple “[...] and Apple appears to be listening. [...]”
Early Christmas basically.
Basically he talked to the folks at Apple “[...] and Apple appears to be listening. [...]”
Early Christmas basically.
Does the MBR2GPT.exe tool exist in Windows 8 (like 10), or is it a viable option to modify an existing Windows install to EFI in a 5,1?
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/81502-convert-windows-10-legacy-bios-uefi-without-data-loss.html
I've not attempted it yet or know much about it since I only learned about it yesterday. I would probably suggest using a mirrored (copy) image just in case it leaves the resulting OS inoperable. Always make copies when experimenting!
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I read that Facebook post and it is neither here nor there.
I occasionally get in trouble for “listening” to my wife’s instructions and forgetting/not following through with what was required.
Apple listening and following through is completely different to listening, processing, taking info on board and actioning it.
I’m not holding my breath for a timely solution.
True, but there is a history of success by Jarred Land reaching them-albeit even if it isn't timely.
https://doddlenews.com/reds-jarred-land-nvidia-driver-update-makes-older-mac-pros-fast-again/
"Necessity is often the mother of invention."
https://doddlenews.com/as-apple-pulls-away-nvidia-partners-with-red/
I believe here is our answer-Jarred wants Nvidia to pick up support so a 2080Ti in a 5,1 can be used in his updated proprietary workflow. The cards have shipped with Nvidia obviously on-board (hence the native bootscreen), Apple may still be contemplating it (hence the hold-off on driver signing). They also may be waiting for the New Year to officially announce so their stocks will start to recover from the recent economic slide as an accounting benefit. Time will tell.
"The NVIDIA/RED 8K Redcode Raw workflow will be available by the end of Q1 2019."
That sounds like a pretty solid timeline to be speculative still-and they took great care to reference the previous Mac Pro's but only speak of single processor high-end Nvidia GPU workstations in the article beyond that. Sounds like a Mac Pro to me considering Mr. Land and all of our love of them as a beast of a workhorse that has always shrugged off everything I've personally ever thrown at it.
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So do we have OS X drivers for these cards yet?
I am also reading correct that a startup drive boot screen can be achieved by pressing ALT during boot?
I am also reading correct that a startup drive boot screen can be achieved by pressing ALT during boot?
That card will barely help. The CPU and memory is a big bottleneck if we are talking about 8K RAW regardless if you use 1080 ti or 2080 ti or 3080 ti.
My PC is 5Ghz with 4Ghz memory and Titan XP and is 'barely' good enough to handle 8K RAW. In an old cMP with 1333Mhz memory it would be a laughable experience.
There are no drivers as of yet. Probably never will. Mojave doesn't have any web drivers from nvidia.
You can also use refit or refind, then you always get boot selection without having to hold the ALT button.
A Titan XP is a not a 2080Ti or the RTX Titan, nor are you likely rocking dual CPU’s, with dual triple RAM channels even at 1333Mhz. The path of least resistance plays in on dual CPU systems over faster clock speeds when the tolerance for errors must be zero. I’ve never seen a bottleneck at the CPU-but I don’t mess with 8K. Not my area of expertise, just shared what Jarred’s been talking about (in the press).
They did mention single processor workstations, but I think that’s because his debayering algorithm will be solely GPU driven by CUDA. I’m not saying your card isn’t awesome-but if the 2080Ti is the low guy on the totem pole, the Titan XP is chopped liver for their new 8K debayering process.
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I am sorry if I missed any posts on this thread, but why does Nvidia at least release a driver for high sierra for those who wants to use/run RTX series?
Many of us here have documented bottlenecks in these old CPUs and DDR3 memory when paired with new software and new GPUs.
When you load video footage into an editor the video loads in RAM, not the GPU's VRAM. Without modern system memory and a modern CPU to support it it takes ages to load RED 8K into memory and it is impossible to get real time scrubbing.
Speaking to you as someone who does this on the fastest systems in the world today, we are not pleased with 8K RED performance yet. 10 seconds of video will consume massive amounts of RAM and even with 5Ghz CPU and 4Ghz DDR4 it is far from real time. We still have to wait for pre-render in system memory. If we had 1333Mhz DDR3 memory we will wait 4 times longer just to load a video and performance will be very jerky.
We are a few years away from good 8K performance. So if you think a new GPU is going to make a Mac Pro 2010 able to edit 8K then that's a very unrealistic belief. This is a question of system memory bandwidth not GPU. The GPU is there just to assist video filters and effects.
Because anything but the most current OS is considered maintenance mode at best. NVIDIA typically does nothing more than rebuild the driver for security updates or minor updates that change the OS build number on older OSes.
They sorta did, with Web Driver 387.10.10.15.15.108. This driver was very short lived in the wild. It was pulled shortly after it was released. There are various scenarios of why this happened. Personally I do not know, however the thinking is that the Apple/Nvidia feud led to Apple demanding the driver be pulled. Some have said it was because of the poor performance of that driver. I have not noticed that, it works fine for me. That driver supported Volta cards. And, it also supports more than one build of HS. I'm still using it now, on my third build of HS.
As far as what the post above mine purports, take that with a grain of salt.
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I saw lots of reports of panics during install, which seemed to be related to people having to switch to System Preferences to confirm that it was okay to let the driver load (perhaps there was a mismatch between the newly-installed kext and the previously-installed user mode driver that was still loaded by the Window Server or something). I don't necessarily think there's a grand conspiracy here, if the driver is causing panics on install for even a small number of users then I can see why NVIDIA would pull it.
Hence why he's redeveloping his workflow-in my opinion. If it's impossible to achieve real-time scrubbing on a brand new system, why wouldn't he then look internally to see what he already has that could accomplish the job for a lower cost? My perspective is from a business analysts-and is purely opinion. I follow the math-not the emotion tied to how much someone has in their system-especially when Microsoft at no point in history has made the claims of support Apple did at one point. Correct me if I'm wrong-15GB/s (dual tray RAM copy speed) is is faster than the 18Gb/s (VRAM)-however a problem may come into play when you start wasting bandwidth on unnecessary displays and then compound rendering on top of that.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Titan-X-Performance-PCI-E-3-0-x8-vs-x16-851/
NVME injectors into the PCIe x4 can achieve 2000MB/s as a scratch disk-the bottleneck I see is at the drives, not the CPU or RAM. I didn't say I'm not familiar with some of the process of video compression/editing, just not my area of specialty-4K 8-bit MP4/MOV is simply the most complex I've been willing to deal with due to my GPU/camera restrictions/background. Drives have always been the weakest link in the armor since floppy disks-followed by the GPU. The compression rate of the footage plays into account as well-but from what I understand in the article, editing wasn't the end-goal, debayering of the RAW footage into a usable format by a standard NLE platform seems to be his path. Scrubbing speeds wouldn't come into play until the next step of his work-flow.
We all tend to operate on single machine work-flows (or maybe two), whereas dynamic business's can have multiple machines dedicated to a single task. In a multiple layered workflow, may pass through multiple OS's several times seeing 1-200 different machines before the deliverable is ready.
I don't think just a GPU will do it, but just that it would be more cost-effective to use your existing machines if the tech isn't there to achieve a goal for the future, and I do agree great 8K performance is a long way off. I AM hoping we all get the windfall from it though. The GPU does a little more than that, but I think we're in agreeance enough to not get too technical over hyperbole.
The reality is that if people were more focused on the work they were doing on their systems-and the ease at with which they are doing it compared to decade ago, modern machines are only catching up to the performance bottleneck these machines reached years ago with the 4K/8K transition and huge data flows required to handle the media. The laws of thermal dynamics can only be pushed so far before they break-and that's why QPI's are still viable. Continuous workloads on single channel 4000Mhz is more likely to lead to thermal bottlenecks or even hardware failure, and a triple channel 1333Mhz is the same effective clock speed.
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Ok-well that's a bummer, but also great attitude. Do you have a copy of 8/8.1 to play with?
Win10 EFI was the only previous avenue reported as booting, if I recall correctly-and we haven't heard from the thread starter for a while...or those that initially reported success. Hopefully they are simply enjoying it quietly, but it is surprising-to say the least.
Take a break, re-read the thread when you get a chance- regroup and conquer.
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My Nvidia Web Driver Manager lists 387.10.10.15.15.108 as available still, but not compatible (but I'm in Mojave, on MBP).
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No, there was never a Turing driver (RTX), there was a Volta driver that was released but pulled, though you can still find it.
Forget about marketing material gimmicks on websites. We have had these things since the 90s - every generation of tech, same marketing hype from graphic card makers from Matrix to Nvidia.
The part they temporarily cache in VRAM is the video with effects applied. Very temporarily for obvious reason that 4K, 6K or 8K raw footage with effects consume more memory than exists on even top workstation GPUs.
When you see NLEs that can playback such hi res footage with effects it’s because they are playing from a lower bit rate compressed copy in a temp cache folder.
So real time performance of uncompressed 6-8K video is a question of system memory bandwidth and a CPU that can keep up. That’s all. We have already tried the fastest SSDs and GPUs.
You can right now have fun and see how 8K RED will work on your system. Download the 8K samples from RED’s website and also download their editor and playback apps which are free. Load an 8K video in the app and watch Activity Monitor monitor while the video caches.
If you have Windows the Task Manager will show you what is happening in RAM and VRAM. You will see how much each is consumed and why.