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I7guy

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Until Apple do oled and it be like the next coming of Christ!!! You are so predictable it's dull!!
Lol, you are prescient, without knowing me and from across the pond. incredible.:D

If there is anything that is dull are internet posters believing they can predict the future actions of other Internet posters.:)
 

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Lol, you are prescient, without knowing me and from across the pond. incredible.:D

If there is anything that is dull are internet posters believing they can predict the future actions of other Internet posters.:)
I think I'm pretty confident in predicting how you will change you tune on oled once the big Apple comes to the party.
Let me guess tho, they will do oled right? Is that the correct phrase. They will show the world's premier manufacturer of oled panels how to make a oled panels lol. This is gonna be hilarious.
 

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Oled screens can be calibrated better then any lcd.the best TV you can buy right now is an oled panel.

Micro lcd will not fix the contrast and viewing issues of lcd.

Go look at some reviews of the Panasonic 4k oled and the LG oled.

They have perfect viewing at and angle and there is no lcd that will ever come close
 

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I think I'm pretty confident in predicting how you will change you tune on oled once the big Apple comes to the party.
Let me guess tho, they will do oled right? Is that the correct phrase. They will show the world's premier manufacturer of oled panels how to make a oled panels lol. This is gonna be hilarious.
What I think is funny is when issues of burn/in and uneven wear start to surface on alleged future Apple products. I'm staying away from that.
 

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Make your mind up, you said I was making up facts when I said the same?

I didn't say the same. Whether it's better or not is not what I was arguing. I'm saying it isn't ancient tech. Try to keep the arguments separate. Something an be inferior and not be ancient.
 

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Oled is ancient tech also, 1988 and with issues with uneven wear that still hasn't been resolved.
How many years before yellow tint,backlight bleed and dead pixels are solved on LCD? We are nearing EOL on LCD and OLED's stint has just begun


I still use 5,400 rpm drives. Know why? The failure rate for me is zero after 10 years.
Complete nonsense. The reason SSDs were created was because traditional HDDs failed. SSDs use flash memory, not mechanical parts like hard drives. In fact I have an SSD in my NZXT S340 buried under a pile of cables of my PSU and I havent even seen it for 4 years.(not possible to get to it lol).Try keeping a mechanical HDD like that and watch your data go ka-boom.

You could play fetch with your dog with an SSD and nothing will happen to it.

Apple should be ashamed of putting a crappy 5400RPM in an iMac costing over 1k. SSD prices are no where near were they used to be. Heck I could get one for a 100 bucks and it would still smash the fastest tradityional HDD out there


So oled is old tech like 5400 rpm drives are old tech, but unlike the drives oleds issues are still not sorted out. I'll take LCD over oled as if today.

OLED is an SSD and LCD is a 5400RPM hard drive. Both are relics of a bygone era. Tell me a single relevant Android flagship on LCD. And dont say its because of cost. LCD is cheaper than OLED
 
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How many years before yellow tint,backlight bleed and dead pixels are solved on LCD? We are nearing EOL on LCD and OLED's stint has just begun
I'm waiting for 7 years for those problems to surface in my iPhone 4. Still waitng. However these "issues" probably will be resolved before burn-in and color shifting.

Complete nonsense. The reason SSDs were created was because traditional HDDs failed. SSDs use flash memory, not mechanical parts like hard drives. In fact I have an SSD in my NZXT S340 buried under a pile of cables of my PSU and I havent even seen it for 4 years.(not possible to get to it lol).Try keeping a mechanical HDD like that and watch your data go ka-boom.

You could play fetch with your dog with an SSD and nothing will happen to it.
Complete rubbish. I'd rather use an long long life 5400 drive than an ssd. My preference. And I'll give you the ssd to play fetch with. Good luck using it after that.

Apple should be ashamed of putting a crappy 5400RPM in an iMac costing over 1k. SSD prices are no where near were they used to be. Heck I could get one for a 100 bucks and it would still smash the fastest tradityional HDD out there
Why were macs brought into this discussion again?

OLED is an SSD and LCD is a 5400RPM hard drive. Both are relics of a bygone era. Tell me a single relevant Android flagship on LCD. And dont say its because of cost. LCD is cheaper than OLED
You got it reversed. Tell me a single relevant android flagship other than an s8.
 

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How many years before yellow tint,backlight bleed and dead pixels are solved on LCD? We are nearing EOL on LCD and OLED's stint has just begun



Complete nonsense. The reason SSDs were created was because traditional HDDs failed. SSDs use flash memory, not mechanical parts like hard drives. In fact I have an SSD in my NZXT S340 buried under a pile of cables of my PSU and I havent even seen it for 4 years.(not possible to get to it lol).Try keeping a mechanical HDD like that and watch your data go ka-boom.

You could play fetch with your dog with an SSD and nothing will happen to it.

Apple should be ashamed of putting a crappy 5400RPM in an iMac costing over 1k. SSD prices are no where near were they used to be. Heck I could get one for a 100 bucks and it would still smash the fastest tradityional HDD out there




OLED is an SSD and LCD is a 5400RPM hard drive. Both are relics of a bygone era. Tell me a single relevant Android flagship on LCD. And dont say its because of cost. LCD is cheaper than OLED
I sincerely hope mr I7guy is on a windup, cos if not. Wow.. Just Wow!!!!!
 
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I'm waiting for 7 years for those problems to surface in my iPhone 4. Still waitng. However these "issues" probably will be resolved before burn-in and color shifting.
You only need to take a look in the iPad and iPhone section to find out that al arge percent of users do in fact experience it right after unboxing a device costing near a grand. I just returned the 10.5 because of yellow tint on the bottom right. Mimics my experience with my other idevices. No doubt the exchange game continues till Amazon gives me a non yellow tinted tablet.

My iPhone 6 from 2014 has yellow tint. When will Apple resolve it?


Complete rubbish. I'd rather use an long long life 5400 drive than an ssd. My preference. And I'll give you the ssd to play fetch with. Good luck using it after that.
Do you have any facts to backup your claim? I mean I have the entire Internet at my disposal which says how SSDs are better than traditinal HDDs for reliability. For the record this is my 5 year OLD SSD which has over 90% of its life still left and thats after placing it in a corner of my PC which has the most heat and instability

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Yes you can play fetch with your dog and still have a working SSD





You got it reversed. Tell me a single relevant android flagship other than an s8.
Nope

Google Pixel
 

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You only need to take a look in the iPad and iPhone section to find out that al arge percent of users do in fact experience it right after unboxing a device costing near a grand. I just returned the 10.5 because of yellow tint on the bottom right. Mimics my experience with my other idevices. No doubt the exchange game continues till Amazon gives me a non yellow tinted tablet
So posts in an Internet forum translate into large percentage? Ok then.

Do you have any facts to backup your claim? I mean I have the entire Internet at my disposal which says how SSDs are better than traditinal HDDs for reliability. For the record this is my 5 year OLD SSD which has over 90% of its life still left and thats after placing it in a corner of my PC which has the most heat a
Do you have any facts to show the flash memory in ssd lasts any decent amount of time? While both do fail, ssds just wear out and that's a fact.

Google Pixel
I said relevant.
 

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This pissing contest reminded me of this,


:)

I've had quite a few spinners crap out but not an SSD yet...
 

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So posts in an Internet forum translate into large percentage? Ok then.
So claims by a random poster on MR about burn translate to a large percentage? Ok then. This squabble is pointless because no matter how much you moan, the next top iPhone has OLED and the entire lineup goes OLED next year. The iPad is noṭ far behind as yields improve.


you have any facts to show the flash memory in ssd lasts
any decent amount of time? While both do fail, ssds just wear out and that's a fact.
Do you have any proof about your assertions that SSDs wear out faster than HDD




You only have to do a basic google search for hdd vs ssd to find put the facts. Complete nonsense about the reliability part. SSD doesn’t have moving parts, doesnt need to be defragged and consumes a fraction of the power.

There’s a reason why all expensive computers don’t use HDDs



said relevant.

Pixel is made by he creator of Android
 
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Radon87000

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This pissing contest reminded me of this,


:)

I've had quite a few spinners crap out but not an SSD yet...


One of those alternative facts. I wonder why one spends 2k on a MAC for a less reliable experience according to i7guy.

Data recovery is the only part where SSDs are less reliable than HDD
 

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So claims by a random poster on MR about burn translate to a large percentage? Ok then. This squabble is pointless because no matter how much you moan, the next top iPhone has OLED and the entire lineup goes OLED next year. The iPad is noṭ far behind as yields improve.



Do you have any proof about your assertions that SSDs wear out faster than HDD




You only have to do a basic google search for hdd vs ssd to find put the facts. Complete nonsense about the reliability part. SSD doesn’t have moving parts, doesnt need to be defragged and consumes a fraction of the power.

There’s a reason why all expensive computers don’t use HDDs





Pixel is made by he creator of Android

Isn’t the essential made by the creator of Android?
 

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One of those alternative facts. I wonder why one spends 2k on a MAC for a less reliable experience according to i7guy.

Data recovery is the only part where SSDs are less reliable than HDD

There's no way I'd consider a 5400rpm spinner, let alone a 7200rpm.
The only reason I'll buy a hdd these days, is to increase my removable photo storage.
If 2, 3 and 4TB ssd's we're affordable then I wouldn't even bother with spinners.
I can remember so many instances of people losing valuable photo/data collections due to hdd failures.
I know of one ssd failure but it was a 24GB early model.

Oh by the way, Woot! For Samsung, I'm glad they are making good money.
 

macfacts

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Yet their phone/tablet sales declined heavily, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Samsung also make screens and other components such as RAM & SSDs, most of which helped bolster their profits.

Apple also sells media such as music and movies, most of which helped bolster their profits.
 

I7guy

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So claims by a random poster on MR about burn translate to a large percentage? Ok then. This squabble is pointless because no matter how much you moan, the next top iPhone has OLED and the entire lineup goes OLED next year. The iPad is noṭ far behind as yields improve.
I'm claiming the internet is claiming burn-in and return of tv. You are the one claiming a large percentage. You claimed 5 returns for a perfect iphone. Seems there is a world of alternative facts.

Do you have any proof about your assertions that SSDs wear out faster than HDD
Google flash drive wear. http://www.versiondaily.com/ssd-advantages-disadvantages-solid-state-drive/

You only have to do a basic google search for hdd vs ssd to find put the facts. Complete nonsense about the reliability part. SSD doesn’t have moving parts, doesnt need to be defragged and consumes a fraction of the power.

There’s a reason why all expensive computers don’t use HDDs
Sure some of that is an advantage, some is a disadvantage. See above.

Pixel is made by he creator of Android
My comment still stands.

One of those alternative facts. I wonder why one spends 2k on a MAC for a less reliable experience according to i7guy.

Data recovery is the only part where SSDs are less reliable than HDD
Again, I get to buy what works best for me and data recovery is a consideration.
 
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Radon87000

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I'm claiming the internet is claiming burn-in and return of tv
I am saying the internet is claiming yellow tint,backlight bleed and dead pixels on LCD


You are the one claiming a large percentage
Yes. A large percentage. Thing is people dont complain as they get used to the tint. My 6 has yellow tint on the status bar but I got used to it after a while

You claimed 5 returns for a perfect iphone. Seems there is a world of alternative facts.
Yes.I returned it 5 times before I settled for a much less flawed version. I also returned the Pro 10.5 as unlike my Air 2 the screen was not even.Its not alternative fact. Its the reality which my eyes saw as unlike some here I am not trapped in Apple's marketing and reality distortion field. I call it as I see it. I find Microsoft's Surface Pro LCD to not have the tint I am seeing on iPads but alas its too expensive for me


Almost every component inside a computer suffers wear and tear. An SSD suffering wear is not equivalent to its performance being affected or losing files. I just bought a 840 Evo brand new SSD and the same SSD with no wear performs the same as my Intel SSD in benchmarks despite the latter having more wear. It will take 2 decades or more for the wear to start affecting SSDs noticeably.

However I notice you say nothing regarding reliability which is where HDD fails.I cant imagine the no of times I have had to RMA a Seagate drive year after year. My Inspiron laptop HDD failed after 2 years. Since then I have switched the entirety of my computing gear to flash storage and suffered zero issues


Sure some of that is an advantage, some is a disadvantage. See above.
HDD is slowed. HDD has more susceptibility to failing. HDD is not power efficient. HDD needs defragging every couple of months. Even a 100 buck SSD blows the doors of a 7200 RPM high quality drive. The issue for Apple and the others is price. I have a 1TB SSD in my PC in grand total. For the same price I could have gotten a 5TB traditional HDD. A NVMe SSD is even better but for the price of a 500GB NVMe SSD I can get a 1TB SATA SSD.

I think I will have aged 20 more years by the time Apple thinks about putting NVMe in a Mac Pro


My comment still stands.
The entirety of the Android market except LG and HTC is on OLED.How that for relevance?


Again, I get to buy what works best for me and data recovery is a consideration.

Data recovery is only a consideration if the drive fails and if it fails you are going to lose some data either way and we all know which drive is more likely to fail.
 
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I7guy

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I am saying the internet is claiming yellow tint,backlight bleed and dead pixels on LCD
But the internet is also claiming uneven wear is a fact with oled. The rest is not a fact that every LCD has what you say.

Yes. A large percentage. Thing is people dont complain as they get used to the tint. My 6 has yellow tint on the status bar but I got used to it after a while
You should be able to prove this alternative fact easily, in a logical cogent argument. Right?

Yes.I returned it 5 times before I settled for a much less flawed version. I also returned the Pro 10.5 as unlike my Air 2 the screen was not even.Its not alternative fact. Its the reality which my eyes saw as unlike some here I am not trapped in Apple's marketing and reality distortion field. I call it as I see it. I find Microsoft's Surface Pro LCD to not have the tint I am seeing on iPads but alas its too expensive for me
So your anecdotal experience makes it an internet "large percentage" fact?

Almost every component inside a computer suffers wear and tear. An SSD suffering wear is not equivalent to its performance being affected or losing files. I just bought a 840 Evo brand new SSD and the same SSD with no wear performs the same as my Intel SSD in benchmarks despite the latter having more wear. It will take 2 decades or more for the wear to start affecting SSDs noticeably.
I have old harddrives that still work after 25 years, nothing noticeable about that.

However I notice you say nothing regarding reliability which is where HDD fails.I cant imagine the no of times I have had to RMA a Seagate drive year after year. My Inspiron laptop HDD failed after 2 years. Since then I have switched the entirety of my computing gear to flash storage and suffered zero issues
And I know of cases that SSDs failed in two days, so I'm not sure of what that says.

HDD is slowed. HDD has more susceptibility to failing. HDD is not power efficient. HDD needs defragging every couple of months. Even a 100 buck SSD blows the doors of a 7200 RPM high quality drive. The issue for Apple and the others is price. I have a 1TB SSD in my PC in grand total. For the same price I could have gotten a 5TB traditional HDD. A NVMe SSD is even better but for the price of a 500GB NVMe SSD I can get a 1TB SATA SSD.
But that is my judgement call as to which I think is better. I defrag my harddrives after one year. Pure performance is not my concern, reliability is, and I have a judgement based on my use case.

The entirety of the Android market except LG and HTC is on OLED.How that for relevance?
One thing doesn't follow the other, to cite your example, Justin Beiber is the best?

Data recovery is only a consideration if the drive fails and if it fails you are going to lose some data either way and we all know which drive is more likely to fail.
So is it or isn't it? If YOUR ssd fails with irreplaceable pictures, it diminishes your "argument" quite substantially.
 

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Apple took out "computer" from their official name a while back, perhaps one day they are wanting to make washing machines, get back that number one spot.
 

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Apple took out "computer" from their official name a while back, perhaps one day they are wanting to make washing machines, get back that number one spot.
Or could be their biggest seller....thing they make the most profit from was the iPhone. So removing computers just made sense. Lots of big global companies just have one name with lots of sub divisions and orgs under their moniker. Look at GE or IBM...Samsung and Apple are no different.
 

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But the internet is also claiming uneven wear is a fact with oled. The rest is not a fact that every LCD has what you say.

Just like burn in Internet is claiming backlight bleed is a fact on LCD. A simple google search reveals this

You should be able to prove this alternative fact easily, in a logical cogent argument. Right?
I am waiting for proof of mass burn in first


So your anecdotal experience makes it an internet "large percentage" fact?
Nope. I said my experience coupled with the tone of threads flooding the internet on backlight bleed,dead pixels and uneven whites.


have old harddrives that still work after 25 years, nothing noticeable about that.
The spindle in the drive wears out in time and the performance is not at all comparable to a brand new drive. I wouldn't know though because none of my hard disks lasted more than 10 years. Seagate in particular needed RMA every 2 years. Since then I switched to WD which seems to be better


And I know of cases that SSDs failed in two days, so I'm not sure of what that says.
Everything on this planet can fail in 2 days. The mathematical probability of an HDD failing is factually higher.


But that is my judgement call as to which I think is better. I defrag my harddrives after one year. Pure performance is not my concern, reliability is, and I have a judgement based on my use case.

Your defragging time line is irrelevant. Your disk gets fragmented the more you use the computer and performance is affected. I remember 4 years ago when I downloaded a 30 gig game, I would need to defrag the HDD to prevent it from stuttering.

Reliability means susceptibility to fail and HDD is much less reliable than an SSD.

Do you really think people are morons for spending a fortune on an SSD or why Apple has only SSDs in top tier PCs? I have a 1TB SSD and 5TB of internal and external HDD the latter of which have gone through RMA twice till now.
If it wasn't for the price I would have gladly disposed off that garbage.


Never again am I dealing with reinstalling Windows. A big shout to the creator of this tech for solving such a harrowing problem.

So is it or isn't it? If YOUR ssd fails with irreplaceable pictures, it diminishes your "argument" quite substantially.
I already lost a substantial amount of files when my first Seagate hard disk failed and I didn't maintain a backup. So it doesn't matter for me either way. My Intel SSD is 5 years old and is still benching as it did when it was new.


I repeat apart from technicalities you have no proof of SSDs failing enmasse
 
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Radon87000

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At the end of the day Apple has adopted OLED in their top tier phone. This validates all the arguments I have given that OLED is leagues better than LCD.
 
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