Samsung Galaxy Note 10

[Abazigal]

This is a defeatist attitude. Progress is made incrementally. If it wasn't for tech enthusiasts like us constantly demanding the best camera possible, we wouldn't be where we are today. If we settle for less, then we won't get to where we are going tomorrow.

Better specs on paper don’t always result in a better user experience for the end user. And as Apple as shown, too much blind chasing of specs can even have a deleterious effect on the end user experience.

Think about the first generation iPad. Arm processor. 256 mb ram. Mobile OS. The spec chasers had a field day tearing it apart, yet it offered a better experience than other tablets out there.

I think you self-styled tech enthusiasts give yourselves too much credit. The key to Apple’s continued success is design, not specs.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Better specs on paper don’t always result in a better user experience for the end user. And as Apple as shown, too much blind chasing of specs can even have a deleterious effect on the end user experience.

Think about the first generation iPad. Arm processor. 256 mb ram. Mobile OS. The spec chasers had a field day tearing it apart, yet it offered a better experience than other tablets out there.

I think you self-styled tech enthusiasts give yourselves too much credit. The key to Apple’s continued success is design, not specs.

The product has to work and provide functionality. It could be the prettiest thing in the world but if it doesn’t work, it just becomes an expensive paperweight.

 

[Healer Flame]

Samsung are such cheap phones to grab on discount no reason to ever pay full price for one

But the very best value for your money, you get so much for what you pay comparing to others.

 

[michael9891]

Better specs on paper don’t always result in a better user experience for the end user. And as Apple as shown, too much blind chasing of specs can even have a deleterious effect on the end user experience.

Think about the first generation iPad. Arm processor. 256 mb ram. Mobile OS. The spec chasers had a field day tearing it apart, yet it offered a better experience than other tablets out there.

I think you self-styled tech enthusiasts give yourselves too much credit. The key to Apple’s continued success is design, not specs.

What does this have to do with the post you quoted? And I'm sure the reason Apple sell lots of phones is down to the design which people always call them out on looking the same. lol

 

[Healer Flame]

There is never a point when cellphone cameras are "good enough", until they surpass medium format DSLRs

Cell phone cameras have their purpose and functionality v DSLRs but they are getting there.

They still lack optical zooming big time and many other complicated features.

 

[michael9891]

Anyway, is the Exynos 9825 supposed to be on par with the SD 855 or a little better? Interested to see how they compare with battery life.

 

[Abazigal]

What does this have to do with the post you quoted? And I'm sure the reason Apple sell lots of phones is down to the design which people always call them out on looking the same. lol

I am reminded of a YouTube video by a guy called FrontPageTech where he claims that what the smartphone industry needs right now isn’t innovation, but compromise, if we want to rein in rising smartphone costs.

And design isn’t just how a product looks, but having Apple designers calling the shots, and searching for and having technology made to serve the product experience, not engineers excited about about new hot tech and trying to turn it into a product.

I am sure there will be people willing to pay top dollar to have the best smartphone tech available at that particular point in time, but I do think we are at a point where the majority of customers are actually being overserved by technology. The iPhone XR is an excellent example of how a better smartphone experience can be had not by cramming in all the latest specs, but actually dialling back on them.

The challenge for these companies will be on how they can compromise in the right areas for these consumers.

 

[The Game 161]

It depends on what camera improvements the new iPhone has. We know they are going to add a wide angle lens but we don’t know what else they are doing to the camera a
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And pen support I hope!
[doublepost=1565963304][/doublepost]Now my husband is pushing me to switch again lol

I certainly think it's wise for you to wait to see what the new iPhone has on offer before switching lol....many say they won't upgrade but come after keynote they are planning to pre-order.

 

[Mellofello808]

Better specs on paper don’t always result in a better user experience for the end user. And as Apple as shown, too much blind chasing of specs can even have a deleterious effect on the end user experience.

Think about the first generation iPad. Arm processor. 256 mb ram. Mobile OS. The spec chasers had a field day tearing it apart, yet it offered a better experience than other tablets out there.

I think you self-styled tech enthusiasts give yourselves too much credit. The key to Apple’s continued success is design, not specs.

Who said anything about specs?

Most of the advancement in Mobile photography has been done with software, not hardware.

In the next year or so there will be some serious new image sensors coming out for sale that will potentially be game changers, but the best mobile camera available the pixel does it's thing with off the shelf sensors, and a ton of software refinement

 

[Shanghaichica]

I certainly think it's wise for you to wait to see what the new iPhone has on offer before switching lol....many say they won't upgrade but come after keynote they are planning to pre-order.

I always get like this at this time of year and then I watch the keynote and end up getting the new iPhone lol

I'm just trying to break the habit and actually something else. This year will be 5 years with the iPhone as my daily driver.

 

[yui4]

I certainly think it's wise for you to wait to see what the new iPhone has on offer before switching lol....many say they won't upgrade but come after keynote they are planning to pre-order.

Exactly what I’ve decided to do rather than pre order the note. By the time the iPhone details are out, the note should be readily available anyway

 

[torana355]

Note 10 + looks good but phones have reached a point where the improvements are minimal. Unless you really need the spen you would have to be crazy to spend $1100 when you can get a S10+ for half the price.

 

[Aneres11]

I haven't seen one in the flesh yet, but Samsung devices have never floated my boat.

I also absolutely hate the colours they have gone with here. I always think Samsung goes with cheap looking colours with their devices.

I'll appreciate a hands on eventually I'm sure. But that curved screen is a no go for me.

 

[mjschabow]

One thing I’ve noticed is even looking back on my Google Photos, I’ve taken several pictures with several different devices this year, and they all pretty much look good and about the same. The immediate satisfaction normally comes from the Pixel line because I’m my experience, you end up needing to take less pics to get the “perfect” shot. But all in all, they take great pictures.

 

[Oohara]

Who said anything about specs?

Most of the advancement in Mobile photography has been done with software, not hardware.

In the next year or so there will be some serious new image sensors coming out for sale that will potentially be game changers, but the best mobile camera available the pixel does it's thing with off the shelf sensors, and a ton of software refinement

What does this have to do with the post you quoted? And I'm sure the reason Apple sell lots of phones is down to the design which people always call them out on looking the same. lol

Don't take the bait. Some people are in it only to reduce the conversation to Apple vs Android and bash either side. Better to simply ignore and carry on as if they hadn't said anything, or yet another good conversation gets derailed and lost.

 

[5105973]

I am reminded of a YouTube video by a guy called FrontPageTech where he claims that what the smartphone industry needs right now isn’t innovation, but compromise, if we want to rein in rising smartphone costs.

And design isn’t just how a product looks, but having Apple designers calling the shots, and searching for and having technology made to serve the product experience, not engineers excited about about new hot tech and trying to turn it into a product.

I am sure there will be people willing to pay top dollar to have the best smartphone tech available at that particular point in time, but I do think we are at a point where the majority of customers are actually being overserved by technology. The iPhone XR is an excellent example of how a better smartphone experience can be had not by cramming in all the latest specs, but actually dialling back on them.

The challenge for these companies will be on how they can compromise in the right areas for these consumers.

Xr is a more affordable experience and an adequate one, but not better. I use it because it's the only current iphone model I can use without ending up in the hospital. If Apple changes what they're doing on OLED I would get the best specs I can because, given similarities in overall design, better specs push the end results up a notch. And that's what I'm chasing at this point in my life. In a few years, on a fixed retirement income, I'll go back to the most comfortably affordable option.

For now, I'm excited to see these companies inventing the best available components and marrying it to the best possible software to get as close to full size DSLR results as possible in this incredibly portable, pocketable form...that is also a personal computer and communicate device. Ha! What smartphones are and can do now is better than the tech they carried on the original Star Trek. Well...except I can't call up to my spaceship.

I need coffee. Catch you all later.

 

[Klyster]

Think about the first generation iPad. Arm processor. 256 mb ram. Mobile OS. The spec chasers had a field day tearing it apart, yet it offered a better experience than other tablets out there.

I was using Asus Transformers which had a 720p screen, stereo speakers, usb ports and a file system you could access, keyboards with batteries built into them, you didn't need itunes to transfer media to the device.
My user experience was not available on an ipad at the time.
Only now does the ipad offer me the user experience I want, but it's too late, 8 years too late.
I still use an android tablet and it still gives me a better user experience for my usage.

 

[Oohara]

This is a defeatist attitude. Progress is made incrementally. If it wasn't for tech enthusiasts like us constantly demanding the best camera possible, we wouldn't be where we are today. If we settle for less, then we won't get to where we are going tomorrow.

Cell phone photos look okay now on phones, but when viewed critically on large monitors vs, even a pocketable camera such as the RX100, they are still lacking in many metrics such as dynamic range.

Also there is still a large disparity in photos out of the top tier flagships, and other phones. That gap is closing, but it still very much exists.

There is never a point when cellphone cameras are "good enough", until they surpass medium format DSLRs

To bring this back on track, I think you're right here. There's nothing wrong in continually pushing the limits and raising the bar of what a smartphone camera can do.

This summer I was hiking in the mountains and spotted a group of wild horses. Going any closer might have scared them away or potentially been dangerous, so it was up to my smartphone camera zoom. The best it could do was a somewhat decent but still very grainy shot. Would I have wanted to have a more powerful zoom at that moment? You bet.

And we've all had that same kind of experience, also with dark room or wide angle situations. So no, I don't think we've reached the limit of what a smartphone camera can do.

With that said of course, specs themselves definitely aren't everything. Megapixels and aperture width etc doesn't mean squat if the implementation doesn't match up. But we all know that by now. Pushing the limits is still a good thing.

 

[Macpro2019]

If the new iphone looks like that square looking camera ...pass.

 

[Klyster]

This summer I was hiking in the mountains and spotted a group of wild horses. Going any closer might have scared them away or potentially been dangerous, so it was up to my smartphone camera zoom. The best it could do was a somewhat decent but still very grainy shot. Would I have wanted to have a more powerful zoom at that moment? You bet.

This is one of the main reasons why I'm not getting the Note this year.
Sure, the camera is great, but I want a better camera rather than iterative improvements.
Zoom is my next prerequisite if I'm going to spend silly money on a phone, it needs to offer more.
I went and tried both Note 10's at the store, very nice, very light and shock horror, not an iota of lag lol, but the Renos and P30's were more compelling with thier amazing zoom cameras and they were hundreds of dollars cheaper.
The upcoming Oppo Reno2 is going to have 20X hybrid zoom!

 

[mjschabow]

If the new iphone looks like that square looking camera ...pass.

Lol yeah. That square for the new iPhone and Pixel are hideous. I’ll be curious to see what the other enhancements are. I’m literally at the point where if nothing really excites me this year, I’m perfectly fine with just sticking with my XR or 3a for another year. I think overall the Note 10 will be the best looking device but there’s something about Samsungs where I always get fatigue and want to switch back after a few weeks. The only exception was the Note 8. Had it for just over a month but then my work bought me an iPhone and wanted me to switch to it. I was a bit heart broken. LOL

 

[mjschabow]

The other thing I noticed with the camera on the S10+, having 2 kids and one being a toddler, they’re not always still when I take pictures. The Galaxy performed the worst in regards to getting a shot without blur. I sometimes would take several shots only to not being able to use any of them. I wonder if this has improved at all with the Note 10.

 

[AnonMac50]

I did it, I went ahead and pre-ordered the Aura Glow Note 10+ (4G Hybrid-SIM 256 GB) here in Australia. I would usually wait longer, but this time the $500 bonus headphones kinda swayed me over.

 

[SteveJUAE]

Better specs on paper don’t always result in a better user experience for the end user. And as Apple as shown, too much blind chasing of specs can even have a deleterious effect on the end user experience.

Think about the first generation iPad. Arm processor. 256 mb ram. Mobile OS. The spec chasers had a field day tearing it apart, yet it offered a better experience than other tablets out there.

I think you self-styled tech enthusiasts give yourselves too much credit. The key to Apple’s continued success is design, not specs.

I know your an Ipad enthusiast and try and get the most out of your Ipad but if there was a splash of truth in this then there would not be 4 or 5 or 6 what ever it is Ipad options today

Even the top tier Ipad are the smartest dumb thing out there revving its nuts off in neutral with its high spec and nowhere to go

Apple are probably the worst in neutering specs between devices to force sale to the next tier model, which they are very successful in doing
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I am reminded of a YouTube video by a guy called FrontPageTech where he claims that what the smartphone industry needs right now isn’t innovation, but compromise, if we want to rein in rising smartphone costs.

And design isn’t just how a product looks, but having Apple designers calling the shots, and searching for and having technology made to serve the product experience, not engineers excited about about new hot tech and trying to turn it into a product.

I am sure there will be people willing to pay top dollar to have the best smartphone tech available at that particular point in time, but I do think we are at a point where the majority of customers are actually being overserved by technology. The iPhone XR is an excellent example of how a better smartphone experience can be had not by cramming in all the latest specs, but actually dialling back on them.

The challenge for these companies will be on how they can compromise in the right areas for these consumers.

I'm more pro the F1 analogy where cutting edge bleeds down the chain and improves all at more realistic prices for the masses eventually

 

[jamezr]

I order the Note 10+ White direct from Samsung. My "cancel order" button is gone now they should probably ship Sunday night going into Monday morning for delivery Wednesday