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SteveJUAE

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Samsung trade ins are really good and it is all well and good but only if you want a Samsung phone.

trades ins aren't as good in the uk as the states but still offers good value for most part. Where people have an issue is if they buy a Samsung phone and can't return it for whatever reason selling it is hard work as generally on sites like gumtree there is simply not enough interest and if there is people just aren't willing to pay more than £600 even on the open market.

a lot would rather just use comparison sites for a quick sale. The note ultra now if you wanted to sell is going for £500 even though it was £1,179 retail price. so If you do make that mistake you are certainly out of pocket by a lot in a matter of months.

although note ultra is on sale now on Samsung site for only £929 for 256GB which is a steal really. Guess it depends if you want a while before buying and not on pre order.

In general though can only really go off in the area and country you are in and lets face it thats the only thing that matters if you are in that country. other countries resale values is not something that one can control but certainly in the UK I have found all android devices resale value is awful and I don't see that changing but if you buy Samsung phones every year then this doesn't matter as you get a good deal by upgrading on Samsung's website anyway so really resell value doesn't matter at all. It only matters if you are going from android to IOS and give up after a matter of months.
Your still forgetting many got buds live free and pocketed them and not included in the sale and adding in if someone made a mistake is hardly making it a level playing field

What happens if you make a mistake with an Iphone and also got an Apple watch and was swapping back that's 2 items you have to sell off etc etc or forked out for AC so your resale is likely to appear to be higher than Samsung and lets not get started with all the problems users have in transferring library collections of films, books etc from Apple.

The devil is in the detail and most conveniently leave this out on comparisons

I must say in the US from personal experience they do have a very healthy respect for any second hand goods generally, compared to most counties

My youngest MBP 15 cost me over 3300USD I got 500UKP for it it would of been over double in the US. I have a 12" MB sitting in a draw that I can get $100 for as no one wants an Apple product here, not even as a kids toy
 
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TopherMan12

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Samsung trade ins are really good and it is all well and good but only if you want a Samsung phone.

trades ins aren't as good in the uk as the states but still offers good value for most part. Where people have an issue is if they buy a Samsung phone and can't return it for whatever reason selling it is hard work as generally on sites like gumtree there is simply not enough interest and if there is people just aren't willing to pay more than £600 even on the open market.

a lot would rather just use comparison sites for a quick sale. The note ultra now is going for around £500 even though it was £1,179 retail price. so If you do make that mistake you are certainly out of pocket by a lot in a matter of months.

although note ultra is on sale now on Samsung site for only £929 for 256GB which is a steal really. Guess it depends if you want a while before buying and not on pre order.

Samsung trade-ins are ways to keep customers loyal though and it works. Samsung gave me $400 for my busted Note 10+ to upgrade to Note 20 Ultra. Samsung gave me $275 for my S5e tablet to upgrade to S7+. That's more than Samsung is currently selling the S5e for.

These are incentives that are hard to find elsewhere. So yeah, you are right. This hinges on wanting to buy Samsung which obviously I do. But even if I did move away from Samsung I'm not going to be out a lot of money since I didn't pay regular retail prices anyway.
 

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Your still forgetting many got buds live free and pocketed them and not included in the sale and adding in if someone made a mistake is hardly making it a level playing field

What happens if you make a mistake with an Iphone and also got an Apple watch and was swapping back that's 2 items you have to sell off etc etc or forked out for AC so your resale is likely to appear to be higher than Samsung and lets not get started with all the problems users have in transferring library collections of films, books etc from Apple.

The devil is in the detail and most conveniently leave this out on comparisons

I must say in the US from personal experience they do have a very healthy respect for any second hand goods generally, compared to most counties

My youngest MBP 15 cost me over 3300USD I got 500UKP for it it would of been over double in the US. I have a 12" MB sitting in a draw that I can get $100 for as no one wants an Apple product here, not even as a kids toy
yes true the buds gift is good certainly when from all reports you don't even need to return them depends on region I guess.

If you make a mistake with an iPhone and apple watch you are still likely to get over 1k back for both I think thats the difference. Well certainly here maybe not in other countries. Think the point is though if you do go by comparison sites then you will always be worse off but if you use trade ins and stay on the same brand you will be no worse off.

for example if you buy an iPhone each year to fund the phone the next year iPhones are a great option here as you can get £650-£700 on comparison sites alone so will only cost you say 400-500 more a year later. on Samsung you are far better off doing trade ins as the offers are simply too good not to go that route.

annual upgrades on carriers don't as much sense these days certainly when to do so you are going to be paying more a month than you were the previous years thats for sure.
 

Shanghaichica

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Your still forgetting many got buds live free and pocketed them and not included in the sale and adding in if someone made a mistake is hardly making it a level playing field

What happens if you make a mistake with an Iphone and also got an Apple watch and was swapping back that's 2 items you have to sell off etc etc or forked out for AC so your resale is likely to appear to be higher than Samsung and lets not get started with all the problems users have in transferring library collections of films, books etc from Apple.

The devil is in the detail and most conveniently leave this out on comparisons

I must say in the US from personal experience they do have a very healthy respect for any second hand goods generally, compared to most counties

My youngest MBP 15 cost me over 3300USD I got 500UKP for it it would of been over double in the US. I have a 12" MB sitting in a draw that I can get $100 for as no one wants an Apple product here, not even as a kids toy
iphones may have a higher re-sale value in the UK but I wouldn’t let that factor into a decision on whether to buy a phone or not. A lower re-sale value doesn’t detract from a good product. Not all Apple products have good resale value either. I paid £800 for my iPad Pro in 2017. In 2020 I was only able to sell if for £250 and I had to throw in an Apple Pencil, smart keyboard and Logitech keyboard with trackpad. I haven’t sold my 2014 MBA because it’s not worth it. I paid £750. Now I’d be lucky to get £200. The apple watch also doesn’t hold its value well. Even the stainless steel model.

The fold 2 is a good product. Even if the resale value has tanked.
 

Shanghaichica

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Samsung trade-ins are ways to keep customers loyal though and it works. Samsung gave me $400 for my busted Note 10+ to upgrade to Note 20 Ultra. Samsung gave me $275 for my S5e tablet to upgrade to S7+. That's more than Samsung is currently selling the S5e for.

These are incentives that are hard to find elsewhere. So yeah, you are right. This hinges on wanting to buy Samsung which obviously I do. But even if I did move away from Samsung I'm not going to be out a lot of money since I didn't pay regular retail prices anyway.
If you start selling a device after only a few months, or even after a year you are going to take a hit regardless of whether it’s an iPhone or a Samsung phone.
 

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trades ins aren't as good

Price is already inflated to offset any losses. Note 10+ orignal price in Australia is $1700. This week it's selling for $899 ??? 47% off the original price. So if they are making profit on $899 you just wonder how much profit they are making @1700 ? Certainly $1700 is ballooned to the max.
 

michael9891

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I wouldn't trade my phone in to any company, they all rip you off. I don't buy the "it's much less hassle" crap. Writing a couple of sentences on a forum in exchange for an extra £150 or more is far from a hassle.

iPhones hold their value better when selling on, Androids get better pre order gifts and drop a couple of months after release. It's all pretty even and all are luxury items we choose to buy.
 
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jamezr

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Sometimes the TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) is hidden for Apple devices. Apple devices are designed to complement each other in some great ways and some not so great ways.

Here are some of my opinions.
Sometimes to get all the features you would get from a top end Samsung phone like the Note 20 Ultra.
You end up buying an Apple watch as well because lack of AOD (Always on Display) You can't just glance at your iPhone to get the time. You either pick it up or end up buying an Apple watch.
I think Apple designs it's devices to have certain features and to withhold certains features so you will buy an additional Apple device.
Then Samsung offers extra trade in value for phones and freebies when preordering. This brings the cost down upfront. This offsets what most Android phones lose in resale versus iPhones IMHO.

Another example is Apple notebooks (for that matter iMacs too) don't have touchscreens. They want you to buy an iPad instead. Please don't tell me they don't have the technical know how to put touchscreen tech in the lid of a Macbook Pro when iPads are thinner than Macbook Pro lids and have batteries..processors...ram and hard drives in them! Can't be because it would make the tops of the Macbooks to thick.

Then the iPhone 12 Pro Max...Apple moved the wireless charging unit just a tiny little bit so it doesn't quite work on most stand upright chargers I have. Which means I will have to buy new ones.

Anyway their marketing works...I have a house full of Apple products. Won't stop me from future buying. But I know where and how the TCO is compared to other products I buy
 

TopherMan12

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Sometimes to get all the features you would get from a top end Samsung phone like the Note 20 Ultra.
You end up buying an Apple watch as well because lack of AOD (Always on Display) You can't just glance at your iPhone to get the time. You either pick it up or end up buying an Apple watch.
I think Apple designs it's devices to have certain features and to withhold certains features so you will buy an additional Apple device.

To be fair, I think Apple Watch provides a lot more functionality than you are giving it credit for. AOD is probably the simplest feature, but hardly the most important. I used Apple Watch religiously for health monitoring and I do the same now with Samsung Galaxy Watch 3. I never even thought about buying Apple Watch simply for the ability to "get the time" when I was using iPhone. That seems like an enormous waste of money, frankly.

I would still use Apple Watch over Samsung Galaxy Watch 3 if AW worked with Android. It is still just a superior smart watch.

The problem I have with the Apple ecosystem is that it only works really well if you are all in with Apple. I tried to make Mac and Windows work in tandem and it just doesn't. Not for me anyway. So once I left Mac....everything else started to unravel. I needed a phone that worked well with my computer. Thus, Samsung and Windows. When the pandemic hit, this became even more obvious for me. I need flexibility that Apple simply cannot provide.
 
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SteveJUAE

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yes true the buds gift is good certainly when from all reports you don't even need to return them depends on region I guess.

If you make a mistake with an iPhone and apple watch you are still likely to get over 1k back for both I think thats the difference. Well certainly here maybe not in other countries. Think the point is though if you do go by comparison sites then you will always be worse off but if you use trade ins and stay on the same brand you will be no worse off.

for example if you buy an iPhone each year to fund the phone the next year iPhones are a great option here as you can get £650-£700 on comparison sites alone so will only cost you say 400-500 more a year later. on Samsung you are far better off doing trade ins as the offers are simply too good not to go that route.

annual upgrades on carriers don't as much sense these days certainly when to do so you are going to be paying more a month than you were the previous years thats for sure.
But this is not TCO, everything you touch with Apple comes at a premium price, OEM cases, screen protectors , BT headsets, chargers etc etc

As a side note I don't get this bit where people have many surplus chargers when I sell my phones it's complete along with accessories that came in the box, I even put all the original film wrapping back on, other than the box seals are broken it looks like new :)

Now if we factor in AC/AC+ that many feel compelled to buy given now the cosmetic backs for IPones are >$500 to replace, all this value retention flies out of the window. Note the FOLD 1 and 2 comes with concierge service included imagine what Apple would charge for AC +++ on a $2k phone :rolleyes:

Then comes the stealth charges that Apple Nickle and Dime you on storage and extra charges or physical limitations, this is why Apple don't have to advertise because it coerces you in to Apple purchases either by limitation, physical attributes and prohibiting 3rd parties

Maybe the average westerner knows to the nearest $5 what's in their wallet but many work on a much lower level. These stealth practices amount to billions of additional revenue that many feel they are above or inconsequential, but they are there and why Apple don't need Add's or bloatware as its embedded by other means or paid adds by Google is a prime example.

Interestingly the US is around the 3rd most expensive place to own and run an Iphone, of course as a % of average income they fare much better :)

Make no mistake Apple is the worlds most successful company in getting you to part with your $ and in doing so should tell you that TCO of being inside Apple is about paying for the experience and what comes with that and not simple better resale value

Now of course it's an entirely different question if all those extra charges and bits are good value :) for many yes probably :D
 
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jamezr

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To be fair, I think Apple Watch provides a lot more functionality than you are giving it credit for. AOD is probably the simplest feature, but hardly the most important. I used Apple Watch religiously for health monitoring and I do the same now with Samsung Galaxy Watch 3. I never even thought about buying Apple Watch simply for the ability to "get the time" when I was using iPhone. That seems like an enormous waste of money, frankly.

I would still use Apple Watch over Samsung Galaxy Watch 3 if AW worked with Android. It is still just a superior smart watch.

The problem I have with the Apple ecosystem is that it only works really well if you are all in with Apple. I tried to make Mac and Windows work in tandem and it just doesn't. Not for me anyway. So once I left Mac....everything else started to unravel. I needed a phone that worked well with my computer. Thus, Samsung and Windows. When the pandemic hit, this became even more obvious for me. I need flexibility that Apple simply cannot provide.
Totally agree with you on the AW. I have an AW6 and love it. I wear it even when I am using my Android phones lol.
Imho it is the best smartwatch on the market.
 

flybub

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Totally agree with you on the AW. I have an AW6 and love it. I wear it even when I am using my Android phones lol.
Imho it is the best smartwatch on the market.
Agreed. I had an AW3 and XR before selling it and getting a Galaxy Active 2 to go with my Note 10...I miss my Apple Watch. The Active 2 is OK, but it's not in the same realm as the AW hardware or software. Bixby is a dumpster fire and Samsung now putting ads in their core apps is probably the last straw for me with Samsung.
 
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I wouldn't trade my phone in to any company, they all rip you off. I don't buy the "it's much less hassle" crap. Writing a couple of sentences on a forum in exchange for an extra £150 or more is far from a hassle.

iPhones hold their value better when selling on, Androids get better pre order gifts and drop a couple of months after release. It's all pretty even and all are luxury items we choose to buy.
There are times that a company trade in does actually offer good value. For instance, when I bought my S10 it had a trade-in bonus. I then proceeded to trade-in a phone that was over 10 years old nor even worked. No-one says you need to trade-in a phone that was worth anything so the result for me was the trade-in bonus just went to being a discount. That left me with my current phone to sell privately to offset the cost even more.

As for the iPhones, I feel that Apple devices keep their value better as Apple doesn't discount. If they did then you'd find the 2nd hand market would be very similar to Android phones. But value can be a tricky thing and a higher resale price doesn't guarantee better value. With Android phones the game is to not pay full retail in the first place, and that's not hard to do especially with Samsung. If you do that then even with a lower resale value you're probably paying less for the exchange than you would with a higher valued iPhone exchange.
 
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To be fair, I think Apple Watch provides a lot more functionality than you are giving it credit for. AOD is probably the simplest feature, but hardly the most important. I used Apple Watch religiously for health monitoring and I do the same now with Samsung Galaxy Watch 3. I never even thought about buying Apple Watch simply for the ability to "get the time" when I was using iPhone. That seems like an enormous waste of money, frankly.

I would still use Apple Watch over Samsung Galaxy Watch 3 if AW worked with Android. It is still just a superior smart watch.

The problem I have with the Apple ecosystem is that it only works really well if you are all in with Apple. I tried to make Mac and Windows work in tandem and it just doesn't. Not for me anyway. So once I left Mac....everything else started to unravel. I needed a phone that worked well with my computer. Thus, Samsung and Windows. When the pandemic hit, this became even more obvious for me. I need flexibility that Apple simply cannot provide.

I will say for the price of Apple products it’s not sensible to buy every year. I think if ypu go Apple ypu should at least keep for two years or maybe three to offset the price. With android they have so many specials and trade in discounts that for people who need the latest it is a better move.

Apple Watch 6 is about 400 us, I think at that price it should be kept for three years, same with iPhones. Apple doesn’t really do major updates Ike android and seems to try to perfect a feature before releasing it so imo a xs max is still very good today.

I will say for us Windows guys Apple doesn’t play well with it usually, iTunes for windows is terrible.

I do notice some iCloud not backed up warnings a few times and some other software bugs with Apple for instance random reboots and so forth while google just handles the cloud a little better and less notifications.

As for resell I’ve seen the 11 pro max lose more value due to the new design of the 12. Apple holds value longer overall but this year took a little hit due to the hype and the better feel in the hand of the 12.
 
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The Game 161

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Agreed. I had an AW3 and XR before selling it and getting a Galaxy Active 2 to go with my Note 10...I miss my Apple Watch. The Active 2 is OK, but it's not in the same realm as the AW hardware or software. Bixby is a dumpster fire and Samsung now putting ads in their core apps is probably the last straw for me with Samsung.
I had Galaxy watch 3 it wasn’t awful but not on same level of Apple Watch and the watch is a big reason why iPhone is my daily again.
 

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I've just bought a Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra 5G for £1180 from a UK retailer... then days later I saw it reduced to £929 on Black Friday. That kind of discounting automatically knocks down what anyone can get for a used like new one even just days old by hundreds. The fact we never see prices cut like this from Apple is probably behind the better resale values? Plus the demand is much greater.

The number of used Android devices and Windows laptops in my area on Gumtree and Facebook marketplace of people stating 'will swap for MacBook / iPhone' is astonishing. I see a lot of S10+ (I bought one for £800 last year) for £200 ish now used. My iPhone XR 128GB bought last year for £800 (bearing in mind it's a 2018 release) will fetch around £370 now still. Supply and demand and all that stuff.

I considered trading my iPhone XR into Apple and Samsung, both had laughable values compared to selling privately. That'll always be the way with cars etc. Nobody's going to take it off your hands and sell it for you and pay YOU a premium for the hassle lol That's fair, good for people who can't or won't spend the time messing with people offering to buy it, with a thousand questions, then not turning up or silly offers bombarding Facebook messenger! lol
 

Dave245

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This will be the last Note thread.


So Note 20 Ultra is a must have even 2 pieces

I REALLY hope they don't do this. The only reason I sent back my Note 20 Ultra was because of the poor battery life (Exynos). If not wasn't for that reason, I would of kept it. I was hoping that Samsung would boost the battery life on the next Note for the Exynos at least.

If they are indeed going to discontinue the Note line up, will that mean the S21 becomes the Note along with the S-Pen and better battery, or will they simply remove it?

If in fact they do discontinue the Note, I will have no reason to buy as the Note was the only Samsung phone that appeals to me.
 

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I REALLY hope they don't do this. The only reason I sent back my Note 20 Ultra was because of the poor battery life (Exynos). If not wasn't for that reason, I would of kept it. I was hoping that Samsung would boost the battery life on the next Note for the Exynos at least.

If they are indeed going to discontinue the Note line up, will that mean the S21 becomes the Note along with the S-Pen and better battery, or will they simply remove it?

If in fact they do discontinue the Note, I will have no reason to buy as the Note was the only Samsung phone that appeals to me.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Those rumors are nothing but clickbait until we know more. The same prophecy has floated around for years now, and there are reports that state the opposite too such as this one posted by jamezr:

 

Dave245

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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Those rumors are nothing but clickbait until we know more. The same prophecy has floated around for years now, and there are reports that state the opposite too such as this one posted by jamezr:


Hopefully that is true! it seems weird for Samsung to discontinue the Note, it seems like a pretty popular Samsung phone. I just hope they improve the battery life on the next Note (Exynos), if they do that I would buy one.

Such a shame the battery life on the Note 20 Ultra was poor for me, Samsung are offering a good deal at the moment for the Note 20 Ultra (£929) and good prices on the Samsung Watch 3 as well.
 
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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Those rumors are nothing but clickbait until we know more. The same prophecy has floated around for years now, and there are reports that state the opposite too such as this one posted by jamezr:


I'm thinking this too. IMO, adding pen support for those who wish to buy the S-Pen as a standalone accessory would have already happened if Samsung thought that's all it took to capture Note fans and entice none Note fans who wanted the pen. But instead they've continued to invest in the pen technology, pen apps and integration and the Note seems to be the real 'power user' option in Samsung's eyes.

I think MOST smartphone users will continue to not care about a pen frankly. And that's fine, it's a niche thing on a phone unlike a tablet. It's a niche and it's surprising to me Samsung have developed it for so many years, but I'm glad they have and it's clearly selling more than enough to make it profitable for them. I can't see them abandoning that unless we see hard figures showing it's decline in sales?

Let's face it, anybody who DOES want a pen with their phone, the thing they carry in their pocket with their bank cards and keys and don't sit down in one spot to use it like a tablet for art or note taking... are they really going to want that floating about their pocket or handbag getting lost or snapping as opposed to that handy spot, which always keeps it charged in the Note? I can't see Samsung going from having this innovation to NOT by choice. Step back IMO.
 
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Hopefully that is true! it seems weird for Samsung to discontinue the Note, it seems like a pretty popular Samsung phone. I just hope they improve the battery life on the next Note (Exynos), if they do that I would buy one.

Such a shame the battery life on the Note 20 Ultra was poor for me, Samsung are offering a good deal at the moment for the Note 20 Ultra (£929) and good prices on the Samsung Watch 3 as well.
I'm glad it's not only me whose having the battery issue. Though it's not enough for me to send it back personally. The phone does so much that I can justify carrying a little power bank with me should I need it when I'm out and about.

Needless to say, this year I haven't been out much. It's sitting on my desk, connected to my work PC for DeX and slowly charging all the time. But even when we do go back into the office, it'll still be plugged in most of the time, most days trickle charging via USB. So I don't think battery life, so long as it's 'good' is an issue for me. Though my iPhone XR was superior, even a year and a half in, for battery stamina which was nice, it's not something I can't live without.

I AM however, enjoying the 256GB storage that they gave us out of pity in the UK for not having the Snapdragon! lol
 
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Dave245

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I'm glad it's not only me whose having the battery issue. Though it's not enough for me to send it back personally. The phone does so much that I can justify carrying a little power bank with me should I need it when I'm out and about.

Needless to say, this year I haven't been out much. It's sitting on my desk, connected to my work PC for DeX and slowly charging all the time. But even when we do go back into the office, it'll still be plugged in most of the time, most days trickle charging via USB. So I don't think battery life, so long as it's 'good' is an issue for me. Though my iPhone XR was superior, even a year and a half in, for battery stamina which was nice, it's not something I can't live without.

I AM however, enjoying the 256GB storage that they gave us out of pity in the UK for not having the Snapdragon! lol

It's definitely not just you. It really was the only reason I sent mine back to Samsung, I really didn't want too but battery life for me wasn't good. I make a lot of calls, I found that the battery would drain quickly even with settings like 120Hz turned off and 70% performance mode on.

It really was a shame because I would of kept it. In fact I miss it a little bit, especially compared too my iPhone 11 Pro Max, the display isn't as good, the features are near none existent and I just loved the Note 20 design a lot more.
 
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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Those rumors are nothing but clickbait until we know more

I have a feeling this time it will happen. S20's poor sales was a sharp turning point to somewhere. Production costs for these phones is just too high to maintain if sales are too slow.
 
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