Phones Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra

[Shanghaichica]

Does anyone know if the quick share airdrop competitor is coming to older Samsung phones? My husband is the I won’t upgrade until it brakes type so I don’t know when he’s going to be upgrading from his note 8. However it would be nice to finally be able to send him full resolution pictures if were to get a Samsung phone.

 

[mclld]

These prices...

 

[The Game 161]

Yep. They don’t apply the $1=£1 conversion that Apple do. When we were watching the unpacked event yesterday. My husband and dad who are galaxy users looked at the price and I said remember it will be a few hundred pounds cheaper in pounds and I was right.

We all know that this years 12 pro max or whatever it’s called will be more expensive than the ultra because of the 5G. Ming Chi Quo has already said that 5G will increase the price of the iPhones this year.
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The 5X optical zoom is a good enough improvement. Even the hybrid 10X was a lot better than I expected it to be.

yeah the zoom in general is a nice improvement and I hope everybody follows suit with this...100x zoom I think is more of a gimmick but still nice to have I guess than not at all.

 

[Shanghaichica]

yeah the zoom in general is a nice improvement and I hope everybody follows suit with this...100x zoom I think is more of a gimmick but still nice to have I guess than not at all.

It might be useful for astrophotography. Although I don’t think I’d ever use it for that.
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yeah the zoom in general is a nice improvement and I hope everybody follows suit with this...100x zoom I think is more of a gimmick but still nice to have I guess than not at all.

It might be useful for astrophotography. Although I don’t think I’d ever use it for that.

 

[Brian Y]

Lots of strange comments on pricing

How are they strange comments?

They've increased base prices, and are now pretty much exceeding Apple' insane recent iPhone prices. Phone prices are getting way out of hand.

As for the 5G argument, I see that, but right now is it really mainstream enough to justify spending the extra on? Even in central London, 5G coverage is hit-and-miss at best.

I genuinely want to move away from iPhone, but at these prices it's hard to justify.

 

[Shanghaichica]

These prices...

The 128GB ultra with expandable storage is £100 less than I paid for my 256GB 11 pro max.

 

[Expos of 1969]

I genuinely want to move away from iPhone, but at these prices it's hard to justify.

For a more sane price experience you could opt for the S10. I am very happy with my S10e. If you want a huge phone then the S10 or S10e may not be for you. If the ridiculous prices on these new phones are caused substantially by the better cameras then I think it time I consider getting a decent (no more than 400 or 500 Euros) phone and getting a good small, pocketable camera (which will still out perform the cameras on these super expensive phones and last for years).

 

[jamezr]

Camera is going to be better than people think

Why Samsung’s 108-megapixel camera isn’t just a gimmick

Samsung’s Galaxy S20 Ultra is a camera spec powerhouse. But hardware isn’t everything.

www.theverge.com

 

[Awesomesince86]

Lots of strange comments on pricing

We have to remember there is no 4G only option, better screens, batteries, memory, chip set, camera etc

Now the camera sensor is significantly larger/better Samsung have more data to play with algorithms etc and binning to significantly improve post processing, just hope it's sooner than later

else

Usual lamo comments on depreciation which fail to consider true ownership costs, inclusions, trade-in bundles etc

I'm holding out for a Fold 2 upgrade with S Pen as I doubt even the new Note20 will be enough of a draw to replace my current Fold

Already pre-sold my ex, now the wifes 10+ for $600 and kept the $300 of goodies that came with it and will get her the new X-Flip, gold preferably as it's just too nice for her not to have

When talking about depreciation and trade in values, there’s a wide variety here and I think you’re looking at only the best case scenarios.

The depreciation of Samsung phones is a real thing. Their value takes a hit worse than almost any other smartphone on the market besides the Pixel. But it’s always case by case.

Someone who has a phone that’s market value is less than what Samsung is offering then it makes sense to capitalize and trade that toward a new device. But these devices are expensive and just because you get maybe $600 off the Ultra with a trade in doesn’t mean that’s a net $600. Sure you can also say the money towards accessories is a value add but only if you need one of the things that goes towards. Otherwise you are selling something like galaxy buds in a market soon to be flooded with them.

The hard fact is these phone will depreciate fast so it’s up to each user to calculate the offset of that depreciation with the discount that preordering gives them and go from there.

 

[SteveJUAE]

How are they strange comments?

They've increased base prices, and are now pretty much exceeding Apple' insane recent iPhone prices. Phone prices are getting way out of hand.

As for the 5G argument, I see that, but right now is it really mainstream enough to justify spending the extra on? Even in central London, 5G coverage is hit-and-miss at best.

I genuinely want to move away from iPhone, but at these prices it's hard to justify.

The primary increase is because of compulsory 5G which is 100UKP or $130 (Based on Note 10+ 4G vs 5G)

I know UK do not fair swell as other places but given for most Samsung in the box includes screen protector and a clear case that would cost $95 in Apple land.

For many there are great trade in and extra bundles usually over $200 for early adopters, which also normally equates to a better deal than waiting 3 month for prices to drop

This is before we even talk about latest specs etc and even extra cloud storage and hidden freebies like parts of youtube premium and Apples relentless subscription based Apps and ECO traps that drain your wallet by stealth

Samsung for most have always been in real terms less than Apple and these savings normally out way any depreciation arguments or even OS upgrades as you can stay current and up to date with regular exchanges that negates any reason for Applecare etc that just adds more to true Iphone ownership costs

However I agree prices continue upwards by consumer demands for more and are nothing like TV that seem to get cheaper and better value

 

[5105973]

Nothing lost value as dramatically as my Pixel 3XL 128Gb. Even Google was offering I think around $250 to trade in for a Pixel 4XL when I first looked to see how the trade in situation was during the 4XL release. Now it’s down to $200. Good grief!

So I will be happy to unload it for $300 for the S20. I pretty much stopped using it once I got my Note and revived my Pixel 2. I could trade in my Note 10+ for $700 for the S20. But it’s a Note! And likely will hold an inflated trade in value with Samsung for another Note or some other fancy pants Samsung at some point.

I love Pixels, but now am very wary of them if they don’t back/supplement trade in values on a device one year old. That was a nasty surprise.

I’ll still have Snowball (Pixel 2) to keep a toe in the Pixel game. I’m glad I kept that one.

So far I’ve got two reservations under two different emails for the S20. One pink and one blue. I can’t make up my mind on the color. Lol. I may still end up not getting either of them.

I’m still considering the Z Flip. I like the phone so far, but I can’t get it to the price point that’s comfortable right now if I want to get some work done on my house. But if the price comes down and the reviews praise it, it can be a later pickup with something I am willing to part with in trade at some point.

But certainly not my iPhone 11 Pro. I’m going to put it out here that my 11 Pro is my favorite smartphone so far. I’m kind of gutted Apple is dropping this size for 6.1”. I’ve gotten very used to it. I’ve dropped it a few times and so far it’s held up without a scratch. (Thank you Caudabe). I’m also not leaving iOS. That’s my home base, because it allows me to interact seamlessly with the most people around me. I’ve had enough time straddling the fence to know I’m not leaving the ecosystem even though I actually am not tied to a Mac in any way. I’m more tied to a social ecosystem.

 

[_karrol]

The 128GB ultra with expandable storage is £100 less than I paid for my 256GB 11 pro max.

Samsung against Apple when it comes to prices is the same story as Korean carmakers vs European/Japanese ones a couple of years ago. Everyone was expecting them to cut on price, but in the meantime they caught up with design, quality and technical advancement, often even surpassing their old competition. Hence, there is no actual justification for them to sell their tech at lower prices. Personally I would not buy myself a Samsung, but I can't see the complaints about S20 pricing being legit considering that these handset are, let's be honest, clearly superior to current iPhones (and still cheaper than the latter!).

 

[Healer Flame]

Everyone was expecting them to cut on price, but in the meantime they caught up with design, quality and technical advancement

Excellent point and very true.

 

[SteveJUAE]

When talking about depreciation and trade in values, there’s a wide variety here and I think you’re looking at only the best case scenarios.

The depreciation of Samsung phones is a real thing. Their value takes a hit worse than almost any other smartphone on the market besides the Pixel. But it’s always case by case.

Someone who has a phone that’s market value is less than what Samsung is offering then it makes sense to capitalize and trade that toward a new device. But these devices are expensive and just because you get maybe $600 off the Ultra with a trade in doesn’t mean that’s a net $600. Sure you can also say the money towards accessories is a value add but only if you need one of the things that goes towards. Otherwise you are selling something like galaxy buds in a market soon to be flooded with them.

The hard fact is these phone will depreciate fast so it’s up to each user to calculate the offset of that depreciation with the discount that preordering gives them and go from there.

I appreciate it varies as I live and work in many places around the world, that is why I say many not all.

Similarly many forget here that unlike US where it is easy to sell Apple products there are equally many places that it is extremely difficult to sell Apple products because of Windows and Android dominance and because of restrictive practices of Apple and there pricing polices

Literally today I had 2 guys from IT and one Naval Architect almost fighting to be 1st in line when I sell my wifes S10+, if I had an IPhone I would be looking for weeks if not months unless a fellow expat wanted one or I discounted greatly

Its a simple fact that cost of ownership or depreciation is simply not the sticker price on the box. It is also true that Samsung bundles contain current and new accessories its not like by a S20 and get last years buds free, you get the new + ones. If that is not a factor for you then fine, but for many it's a real saving.

The main and fundamental difference is with Samsung their are opportunities for many to save or get greater value, for Apple most that live outside US actually pay an additional premium and in countries with no Apple stores actually pay this extra for even lessor services and forget about 14 day returns etc

 

[Awesomesince86]

Even though their prices are high, I think they've done enough to justify with all the upgrades. The issue becomes deciding in each case whether the trade-in value and other throw ins are enough to offset the depreciation. One should also take into account how long they plan on keeping the phone and if they plan on trading it in again. There are values to be had but each situation is different.

If Samsung's held their value like Apple devices this would be less of an issue. But if they did, it would be because they didnt offer as many deals and sales in the first place so its a clear trade off. But its clear with these prices that Samsung followed Apples lead, let them create the market for Pro level devices, one upped them everywhere on the phone, and then set their price a bit higher. It makes sense as long as they can get consumers to bite.

 

[Shanghaichica]

The primary increase is because of compulsory 5G which is 100UKP or $130 (Based on Note 10+ 4G vs 5G)

I know UK do not fair swell as other places but given for most Samsung in the box includes screen protector and a clear case that would cost $95 in Apple land.

For many there are great trade in and extra bundles usually over $200 for early adopters, which also normally equates to a better deal than waiting 3 month for prices to drop

This is before we even talk about latest specs etc and even extra cloud storage and hidden freebies like parts of youtube premium and Apples relentless subscription based Apps and ECO traps that drain your wallet by stealth

Samsung for most have always been in real terms less than Apple and these savings normally out way any depreciation arguments or even OS upgrades as you can stay current and up to date with regular exchanges that negates any reason for Applecare etc that just adds more to true Iphone ownership costs

However I agree prices continue upwards by consumer demands for more and are nothing like TV that seem to get cheaper and better value

Samsung will always be better than Apple in the U.K. because they don’t apply the $1 = £1 rule.

 

[Expos of 1969]

The main and fundamental difference is with Samsung their are opportunities for many to save or get greater value, for Apple most that live outside US actually pay an additional premium and in countries with no Apple stores actually pay this extra for even lessor services and forget about 14 day returns etc

100% true. Here in Finland there is no bricks and mortar Apple Store. Two Premium Resellers (as well as other retailer) sell the products but there is no 14 day return period. On the topic of Apple being US centric, it is also galling that you cannot take advantage of the annual Apple Music subscription and are forced to pay the more expensive monthly rate. I see no logical reasons why Apple cannot offer the same pricing deals on its services in all countries where it sells the services. It certainly happily takes our money for these services though.

 

[mjschabow]

Camera is going to be better than people think

Why Samsung’s 108-megapixel camera isn’t just a gimmick

Samsung’s Galaxy S20 Ultra is a camera spec powerhouse. But hardware isn’t everything.

www.theverge.com

We’ll see. I’m still skeptical of the software side of it. I’m hoping that before the 21st, there is more information available. Tough to pay $1,400 if they haven’t improved the camera software at all.

 

[mclld]

The 128GB ultra with expandable storage is £100 less than I paid for my 256GB 11 pro max.

My post wasn't meant just Samsung, I'm talking Google, Apple, Samsung etc all of them and phones that are even 800+

 

[Healer Flame]

Ultra V Note 10+ compare. Gsmarena is my favourite for specs.

Compare Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra 5G vs. Samsung Galaxy Note10+ - GSMArena.com

m.gsmarena.com

 

[SteveJUAE]

Are you going to give it to her for Valentine’s Day?

Can't even pre-order it yet and as we speak she is in departures to UK for 10 days

 

[Ludatyk]

But certainly not my iPhone 11 Pro. I’m going to put it out here that my 11 Pro is my favorite smartphone so far. I’m kind of gutted Apple is dropping this size for 6.1”. I’ve gotten very used to it. I’ve dropped it a few times and so far it’s held up without a scratch. (Thank you Caudabe). I’m also not leaving iOS. That’s my home base, because it allows me to interact seamlessly with the most people around me. I’ve had enough time straddling the fence to know I’m not leaving the ecosystem even though I actually am not tied to a Mac in any way. I’m more tied to a social ecosystem.

Well, . I’m enjoying the Note10+... from the multitasking, customization and everything that comes along with using Android, I came from a iPhone X... so, it’s all been lovely going to this screen size. But I had a few days to map out the transition.

Because how you feel about the iPhone 11 Pro is how I feel about the iPad Pro, it’s my favorite Apple device. It’s cellular... so it keeps me tied with iMessage and everything that comes with Apple ecosystem every where I go. It seems kind of odd to message majority of folks on my iPad than my phone. But as you just mention.. I’m more tired to a social ecosystem.

 

[Healer Flame]

Lack of colour options is the only con of s20. I guess ocean blue is replaced with the grey.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Seems like they mapped this out well to still make the Note a viable device. I imagine they will add the ability for 120Hz at QHD or dynamic refresh to the Note. They'll also likely add either face biometrics or the newest Qualcomm in-display fingerprint reader. Boom, that and some Spen upgrades is enough. The question will be do they up the price again or keep it at Ultra pricing.

 

[The Game 161]

Camera is going to be better than people think

Why Samsung’s 108-megapixel camera isn’t just a gimmick

Samsung’s Galaxy S20 Ultra is a camera spec powerhouse. But hardware isn’t everything.

www.theverge.com

Dunno think most expect it to be very good