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spinedoc77

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It's just an app update like when fingerprint support was added. No reason iris can't be used in place since iris is as unique as fingerprint but can't easily be lifted.

Don't know if S8 face unlock that was demoed is final but when implemented like Windows Hello with IR it's picture resistant and on par with fingerprint-only that has been bypassed by 6 year old child.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/28/child-unlocks-sleeping-mom-iphone-using-thumb

High security access usually require MFA verifying who you are (via eye scan), what you have (token/badge) and what you know (pin/password). Personally I wouldn't use fingerprint alone or IR face unlock alone for anything requiring high security and would require a minimum of MFA iris + IR face unlock for hands-free convenience for lower level security and MFA iris + IR face unlock + pin with rotating pad (so it can't be reversed looking at screen smudge). Fingerprint is outdated since it leaves a print that can be lifted.

I don't know if that's a fair comparison. That kid physically put his moms finger on the fp sensor. Something equivalent would be holding someones face in front of their phone, not the same thing as a picture.

You make good points about security though. fp sensor isn't really that secure, and it also doesn't stop LE from forcing you to open the phone if you are worried about that sort of thing. I believe Apple's method is safer though, how they incorporate fp authentication in apps for example. I definitely don't trust Google or Samsung to do the right thing.
 
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tann

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Seeing and feeling the s8+ this week i genuinely cannot wait to see the note 8.

Personally i would like the following from the phone:
6.3"+ screen
3750mah+ battery
S pen
Improved camera over s8

I would be happy with the same screen resolution and the s8 but i think the best improvements would be battery related.

I wish Samsung would also adopt LGs dual camera set up, love how wide the secondary camera can go on that!
 
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Fireblade

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Seeing and feeling the s8+ this week i genuinely cannot wait to see the note 8.

Personally i would like the following from the phone:
6.3"+ screen
3750mah+ battery
S pen
Improved camera over s8

I would be happy with the same screen resolution and the s8 but i think the best improvements would be battery related.

I wish Samsung would also adopt LGs dual camera set up, love how wide the secondary camera can go on that!
This, but not with a 18,5:9 screen, more like 17:9 or something like that.
 

Twixt

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Any luck battery would be removable?
My Note 4s will be needing a new friend soon.
Otherwise will have to go for LG V20
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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Note 4 is still a hell of a phone which beats out most other 2017 phones, nothing wrong with that. If I was any smarter I would just grab one and stop spending so much useless money on new phones every year.

I agree, the Note 4 was the best of the entire Note line. Could have been the Note 7, but oh well. Hopefully the Note 8 can take the title.
 
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Twixt

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Note 4 is still a hell of a phone which beats out most other 2017 phones, nothing wrong with that. If I was any smarter I would just grab one and stop spending so much useless money on new phones every year.

This is exactly why I bought a second one last year!
Note 7 looked outstanding but its solded battery was a no go for me...
 
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Dave245

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Will there even be a Note 8 after last years problem? also I wonder why Samsung release an S range (like the S8) and also have the Note range, are they targeted to different people or what?
 

5105973

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Updated rendering of the Note 8 based on newer rumors.
If that is even close to the final product I'm there!

I'm so disgusted with my iPad minis. People make fun of Samsungs for slowing down on Touchwiz need to see my iPad minis. Navigating the internet on them grows more and more painful. My mini 4 is just a little over a year old and sometimes I am having problems posting on this forum. Things partially freeze...I can still post a reply but can not enter any more characters to finish a sentence, for example. There aren't that many apps on it and it was set up as new. There is just not the good performance I am expecting given how well cared for and expensive this iPad was and how it's pretty young, yet. It performs only a little bit better than my older iPad mini it was supposed to replace, which was the first mini to get the Retina display.

I'm willing to give the Note 8 a try at replacing my tablet. If it doesn't work out, oh well. It's still going to be a beautiful smart phone.
 

Fernandez21

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If that is even close to the final product I'm there!

I'm so disgusted with my iPad minis. People make fun of Samsungs for slowing down on Touchwiz need to see my iPad minis. Navigating the internet on them grows more and more painful. My mini 4 is just a little over a year old and sometimes I am having problems posting on this forum. Things partially freeze...I can still post a reply but can not enter any more characters to finish a sentence, for example. There aren't that many apps on it and it was set up as new. There is just not the good performance I am expecting given how well cared for and expensive this iPad was and how it's pretty young, yet. It performs only a little bit better than my older iPad mini it was supposed to replace, which was the first mini to get the Retina display.

I'm willing to give the Note 8 a try at replacing my tablet. If it doesn't work out, oh well. It's still going to be a beautiful smart phone.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Both my iPhones perform much better than my iPad Pro, which was supposed to be the ultimate in performance. I think apple has let the ball drop on iOS for iPad when compared to the iPhone.
 
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nviz22

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tbayrgs

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Not so fast. The S8 could have this feature too because the Snapdragon 835 is in the S8/S8+ and could have it working with a software update like 256 WQAM and 4x4 MIMO.

Are you sure about that? Both articles I read imply that it's requiring physical changes to the X16 modem and they'll first be seen in 835s made later this year.
 
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nviz22

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Are you sure about that? Both articles I read imply that it's requiring physical changes to the X16 modem and they'll first be seen in 835s made later this year.

Well, I am not a Qualcomm engineer, but there have been discussions on both sides about it happening. If it's the Note 8 as the first phone, then I can always jump onto that device.
 

M5RahuL

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Aug 1, 2009
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All I know is..the N8 can't come soon enough!!

Heck, I'd settle for a N7 rehash for now! LOVED that device. My fav Note device since the N4!
 

Tsepz

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Jan 24, 2013
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In memoriam of the Note 7, the best looking phone I've ever seen.

Hoping that the Note 8 will be very similar just with the screen extended upwards and downwards.

Also, those of you who proclaimed the Note line dead a few months ago, I trust you'll follow the path of honor and refrain from posting in this thread :D
Here here! :D

I will drink to that!
May the "Note Doubters" stay away, lol
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MH01

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Yeah, I don't get it either. Both my iPhones perform much better than my iPad Pro, which was supposed to be the ultimate in performance. I think apple has let the ball drop on iOS for iPad when compared to the iPhone.

Why I never updated to iOS 10. On iOS 9, my iPad Pro is going great.

Though today, I jumped onto Apple Store , and got a nice message saying I had to update to iOS 10 to use it. Bloody planned obsolescence! How can apple themselves be killing iOS 9 support. Really not happy about this.
 
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Why I never updated to iOS 10. On iOS 9, my iPad Pro is going great.

Though today, I jumped onto Apple Store , and got a nice message saying I had to update to iOS 10 to use it. Bloody planned obsolescence! How can apple themselves be killing iOS 9 support. Really not happy about this.
They want to avoid fragmentation. It's okay to have all these different ipads with confusing names like iPad Mini Air Pro (jk) as long as they are running one version of iOS for Apple to keep updated.

I'm kind of mocking them for this but at the same time I recognize the sense it makes, especially compared to the situation with Android.
 
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