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Jun 19, 2009
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MBell,

Are you an iPhone fan or an Android fan, or do you still have a razr flip phone? Your all over the place in this thread and the one I listed below.

"Before I return my iPhone 4s...
Just wanted to see if I was missing something. First, ringtones. I really have to download it to my phone, email it, download it on my computer, drop it into iTunes and then sync my phone? Just to add a custom ringtone? Do I really need a separate dialer app just to be able to see my contacts as I start to dial? Downloaded Dialveteca which works ok but then when I enter a number, I have no ability to add a new contact from it. Anything all in one? No alternative keyboards? I also can't stand having to work around putting the address of a place into my telenav app since I can't get voice guided directions from safari"

"I shouldn't have to hack my phone just to add a custom ringtone. I suppose this is why I have always resisted having an iPhone although I own every other Apple product. Got spoiled with Android I guess. Any jailbreaks for 5.1 yet"

You've got me confused with mbell in the previous post to this one. I was making my comment based on 47 calls. If you talk as long as you said, then you actually do have some "use." BTW, I own the Note (came from the iPhone 4). I just got it last Friday. I'm not ready to make any assertions about how the battery is compared to my iPhone 4.
 

mcman77

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Dec 22, 2011
522
1
First of all with ALL of the competition, I don't expect Apple to remain the only guerrilla in the smart phone/tablet market place, but it certainly looks like it will be a major player for at least the near future, maybe longer. Their products have been dead on for meeting consumer needs and wants. Everyone else is and has been playing catch up. It really is amazing. While geeks enjoy the freedom of the messing with the Android, millions of others enjoy the convenience and safety of the Apple IOS environment. Seri is amazing. I've played with it on my wife's iPhone and the convenience of not having to type messages very nice. :) Does Android currently have this ability?

Regarding the Samsung Galaxie Note, I see a trade off between a tablet size and a phone. I'm hoping the next iPhone is bigger, but as big as a Samsung Galaxie, it might be a little too big to be sticking in your pocket. But if they thought this is what people want in their phones, I could see Apple going there easily at least something that is larger than the 4S.

Yes android has a Siri version too. Not as complex.

Android has the same safteyness as iOS.

Android is actually more conviniet! with the back button on the phone offers better screen space (1 example) there are many more. Android has MUCH more features.

But iOS is good when you have OSX so....

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The note is just too big. End of story

no no...your eyes are just too small :eek:
 

miniConvert

macrumors 68040
I don't understand. Other companies are producing handsets with different screen sizes, therefore Apple must also produce handsets with those screen sizes?

I'm more than happy for Apple to concentrate on what it thinks are the best areas to target. I certainly don't want their product lineup to get diluted like, well, practically all of its rivals. Laser focus on a small range of products is what makes Apple products so great.

I'm sure other manufacturers will have big hits along the way. Good for them.
 
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Tarzanman

macrumors 65816
Jul 16, 2010
1,304
15
I have no idea how that follows from what I said.
What you said was this:
I don't think Apple has even reached the point of filling demand for the
iPhone at the current screen size. My impression is that the most
significant limit of their sales to date has been manufacturing capacity
(and distribution), not demand.​

What you're saying is that Apple does not have any demand-related reasons to move away from a 3.5-inch screen because (according to you) they still have not satisfied the current demand for 3.5-inch screen devices.

This is poor reasoning. First, the fact that there are more non-iphone smartphones in use than iphones is a very strong indicator that most people do not desire a 3.5" phone. The strong sales of of the Galaxy Note and the trend of non-iphone smartphones towards larger-than-3.5-inch screens is pretty strong evidence that more people prefer larger than 3.5-inch screens (because more people have bought smartphones with larger-than-3.5-inch screens than have bought iphones).

Second, Apple has pretty much satisfied the demand for iphones. The rate of iphone adoption is still slower than the rate of android phone adoption. Growth of both platforms is a function of the entire smartphone market growing larger. iphone growth has actually slowed with the last iteration (4S)... its hard to look at that and come to the conclusion that staying with the 3.5 inch screen is the best strategy for the most sales going forward.

There has been at every launch. Not everyone is willing to wait. Obviously demand declines throughout the product cycle. The iphone 4 had reported shortages more than 6 months after launch. It was still the most popular smartphone in the world more than a year after its release. The iPhone 4S was just released on a second carrier in China this month - five months after launch.
The shortages at launch have been pretty short lived (less than 2 weeks for the last two phones). This could be taken either way, though so I will concede that you may very well have a point.

That's pretty funny. :D
Yeah. Its a nice looking device. Especially the white version. Very eye-candy'ish.
 

BaldiMac

macrumors G3
Jan 24, 2008
9,014
11,198
What you said was this:
I don't think Apple has even reached the point of filling demand for the
iPhone at the current screen size. My impression is that the most
significant limit of their sales to date has been manufacturing capacity
(and distribution), not demand.​

What you're saying is that Apple does not have any demand-related reasons to move away from a 3.5-inch screen because (according to you) they still have not satisfied the current demand for 3.5-inch screen devices.

I understand what I said! :)

This is poor reasoning. First, the fact that there are more non-iphone smartphones in use than iphones is a very strong indicator that most people do not desire a 3.5" phone.

No, it's not at all. It's an indicator that more people prefer non-iPhones for a large variety of reasons including price and availability.

The strong sales of of the Galaxy Note and the trend of non-iphone smartphones towards larger-than-3.5-inch screens is pretty strong evidence that more people prefer larger than 3.5-inch screens (because more people have bought smartphones with larger-than-3.5-inch screens than have bought iphones).

Maybe, but that has nothing to do with what I said. (And I'd like to see the numbers to back up your claim.)

Second, Apple has pretty much satisfied the demand for iphones. The rate of iphone adoption is still slower than the rate of android phone adoption.

No, it's not. Apple gained market share on Android last quarter.

Growth of both platforms is a function of the entire smartphone market growing larger.

Again, not true. Apple gained market share last quarter. That means it grew faster than the market.

iphone growth has actually slowed with the last iteration (4S)... its hard to look at that and come to the conclusion that staying with the 3.5 inch screen is the best strategy for the most sales going forward.

It's hard to look at that because, again, it's not true.

The shortages at launch have been pretty short lived (less than 2 weeks for the last two phones). This could be taken either way, though so I will concede that you may very well have a point.

Nope. The iPhone 4 was not meeting demand over 6 months after launch.
http://blog.daveburrows.com/2011/01...em-apple-still-cant-provide-enough-iphone-4s/

And, as I said earlier, the iPhone 4S is just this month spreading to a second carrier in China. The iPhone is not nearly as widely distributed as Android.
 

tjl3

macrumors 6502a
Mar 8, 2012
595
4
What you're saying is that Apple does not have any demand-related reasons to move away from a 3.5-inch screen because (according to you) they still have not satisfied the current demand for 3.5-inch screen devices.

This is poor reasoning. First, the fact that there are more non-iphone smartphones in use than iphones is a very strong indicator that most people do not desire a 3.5" phone. The strong sales of of the Galaxy Note and the trend of non-iphone smartphones towards larger-than-3.5-inch screens is pretty strong evidence that more people prefer larger than 3.5-inch screens (because more people have bought smartphones with larger-than-3.5-inch screens than have bought iphones).

Second, Apple has pretty much satisfied the demand for iphones. The rate of iphone adoption is still slower than the rate of android phone adoption. Growth of both platforms is a function of the entire smartphone market growing larger. iphone growth has actually slowed with the last iteration (4S)... its hard to look at that and come to the conclusion that staying with the 3.5 inch screen is the best strategy for the most sales going forward.

Let's ignore the fact that Android users might prefer Android OS, want LTE/NFC technology, desire an extra battery, prefer Android phone pricing, or might not have access to iPhone given their carrier, region, etc...

Also, by your logic the 3.5" screen is the most preferred size, unless you consider phones between 3.6" and 5" a single market... So according to your logic, b/c iPhone outsells any other specific Android handset, 3.5" is the preferred smartphone size...

And your argument of Android vs iPhone is completely flawed. Especially considering the worldwide availability of iPhone versus any Android device.

Thumbs up to btw:

I don't understand. Other companies are producing handsets with different screen sizes, therefore Apple must also produce handsets with those screen sizes?

I'm more than happy for Apple to concentrate on what it things are the best areas to target. I certainly don't want their product lineup to get diluted like, well, practically all of its rivals. Laser focus on a small range of products is what makes Apple products so great.

I'm sure other manufacturers will have big hits along the way. Good for them.
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
To answer a few questions, I like both Android and iOS. However, certain things bother me with both platforms. I currently own the 4s, Galaxy S2 and the Note. Looks like I may just end up selling the S2 and keeping the 4s and the Note. Second, the only reason Android overtook Apple in marketshare is because of all the cheap Android phones on Boost mobile and other crap networks. The junk they sell for $50 at Walmart anyone will buy. That and there is a new Android phone like every week and most are garbage. Thats why Android took over in sales. Apple (thank God) has nothing similar. They don't make cheap products and pander to the Walmart and Radio Shack buyers who can't afford a real phone or qualify with a real cell phone company.
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
Actually, the original article said shipped, and in the past, when manufacturers stated numbers shipped, they meant shipped to retailers and resellers.

Likewise, when Apple says "sold", they mean products both sold to end users from their own stores, and sold to retailers who will eventually receive and sell them to end users.

Because Apple actually provides the numbers necessary to determine the difference between shipped and sold (channel
inventory).

We've been over this many times :)

Channel inventory is NOT what retailers have on their shelves.

Channel inventory is Apple stock that's ready to be shipped (sold) to retailers (*) via the distribution channel.

When Apple says they have "six weeks' worth of channel inventory", they're telling investors that they can meet the demand of current and new markets, without having too much. Apple is certainly not claiming that every retailer in the world has six weeks' worth of inventory sitting in their stores or warehouses. No retailer would, because that's Apple's job.

(*) For example, when Electronista wrote: "... channel inventory -- the stock available to retailers ", which they make clear is different from stock on the retailers' shelves.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,184
992
Las Vegas, NV
Exactly what looks stupid or funny? Are you that worried about what you look like making a phone call?
I don't think there are too many Note owners like myself that wish that Apple made a larger screened phone. I for one would have never switched, but did just for the screen size, and after years of reading info on this forum about how much Android sucked, I discovered that my Note is an excellent phone. Go figure.
Sometimes opinions based on person experience carry a bit more weight.
Remember Blackberry? Things can and do change sometimes. pile is on top now, and may just stay there, but I can't imagine they wouldn't like to retain iPhone users that jump ship to another platform. Each potential iPhone user is a potential Mac or iPad sale too.

Well yes...some dudes here actually think because they have an iPhone it makes them more attractive to women...LOL
 

Darkmx2000

macrumors newbie
Mar 30, 2012
17
0
I see this and wonder why should Apple pay attention? They sold 4 million iPhone 4s in 3 days and sold 4 millions iPad3 in the first weekend of sales. Listen up Samsung! lol
 

Tarzanman

macrumors 65816
Jul 16, 2010
1,304
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I understand what I said! :)



No, it's not at all. It's an indicator that more people prefer non-iPhones for a large variety of reasons including price and availability.



Maybe, but that has nothing to do with what I said. (And I'd like to see the numbers to back up your claim.)



No, it's not. Apple gained market share on Android last quarter.



Again, not true. Apple gained market share last quarter. That means it grew faster than the market.



It's hard to look at that because, again, it's not true.



Nope. The iPhone 4 was not meeting demand over 6 months after launch.
http://blog.daveburrows.com/2011/01...em-apple-still-cant-provide-enough-iphone-4s/

And, as I said earlier, the iPhone 4S is just this month spreading to a second carrier in China. The iPhone is not nearly as widely distributed as Android.


You should differentiate between the USA or the entire world.
The iPhone gained a little bit on Android in the USA because Verizon and Sprint started offering it. First quarter of 2012 ends tomorrow and I bet those gains will disappear. The rest of the world should be business as usual.
 

KPOM

macrumors P6
Oct 23, 2010
18,307
8,319
Engadget and GSMArena got it wrong as usual. :rolleyes:

That's 5 million sold, not shipped.



Source: This is Samsung's official blog.
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=12717

Samsung selectively discloses numbers. They don't report total smartphone sales any longer, but decided to report sales of the Galaxy Note. It makes one wonder why.

That said, the Galaxy Note actually is one of their most innovative devices, since it isn't just a copy of other phones. So if they are selling better than expected, more power to them. What Apple decides to do is up to them. I, for one, am not clamoring for a phone with 5" screen and I don't need a stylus, so I would be perfectly happy with a new iPhone with a design similar to the 4S, provided it has LTE.
 

Huntn

macrumors Core
May 5, 2008
23,986
27,073
The Misty Mountains
To answer a few questions, I like both Android and iOS. However, certain things bother me with both platforms. I currently own the 4s, Galaxy S2 and the Note. Looks like I may just end up selling the S2 and keeping the 4s and the Note. Second, the only reason Android overtook Apple in marketshare is because of all the cheap Android phones on Boost mobile and other crap networks. The junk they sell for $50 at Walmart anyone will buy. That and there is a new Android phone like every week and most are garbage. Thats why Android took over in sales. Apple (thank God) has nothing similar. They don't make cheap products and pander to the Walmart and Radio Shack buyers who can't afford a real phone or qualify with a real cell phone company.

Here here! :)
 

Yujenisis

macrumors 6502
May 30, 2002
316
132
Good on Samsung, I suppose.

Two points:

1. What are the return numbers like? Employees at AT&T and VZN are being told to push this product hard onto customers and given bonuses for exceeding quotas outside of standard commission.

2. The Galaxy Note can't even run the latest Android Software (Ice Cream Sandwich). Moreover, the ICS update has been delayed until later this year. For those of you keeping track at home, ICS was released October of last year. Nice.

Just imagine if Apple released a product that was a version behind on iOS.
 

DeathChill

macrumors 68000
Jul 15, 2005
1,663
90
You should differentiate between the USA or the entire world.
The iPhone gained a little bit on Android in the USA because Verizon and Sprint started offering it. First quarter of 2012 ends tomorrow and I bet those gains will disappear. The rest of the world should be business as usual.

Apparently iOS sold 43% of smartphones in the US with Android getting 48%. I guess the gains didn't disappear for this quarter. :)
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
It's percentage used over a period of time.
The amount of power used is not a fixed amount, it's the amount relative to the number of hours since the last charge.
This makes it time based.

Yeah no. Unless you want to explain why my voice is on my phone right now says 80% at 55 min of the 58 min it has been off battery. Also just look at the numbers in % with time and you will quickly see they do not line up. It is power based.

There is a reason display is almost always on top as it suing ks down the most juice.
 

BaldiMac

macrumors G3
Jan 24, 2008
9,014
11,198
We've been over this many times :)

Channel inventory is NOT what retailers have on their shelves.

Channel inventory is Apple stock that's ready to be shipped (sold) to retailers (*) via the distribution channel.

When Apple says they have "six weeks' worth of channel inventory", they're telling investors that they can meet the demand of current and new markets, without having too much. Apple is certainly not claiming that every retailer in the world has six weeks' worth of inventory sitting in their stores or warehouses. No retailer would, because that's Apple's job.

(*) For example, when Electronista wrote: "... channel inventory -- the stock available to retailers ", which they make clear is different from stock on the retailers' shelves.

I understand the distinction. Channel inventory can include iPhones sitting in an Apple warehouse in China in addition to iPhones that have been "shipped" but not sold. But the consistency of Apple's channel inventory, and the fact that its reported every quarter, implies a more predictable relationship between "shipped" and "sold" for Apple than it's competitors.

You should differentiate between the USA or the entire world.
The iPhone gained a little bit on Android in the USA because Verizon and Sprint started offering it. First quarter of 2012 ends tomorrow and I bet those gains will disappear. The rest of the world should be business as usual.

I did not specify USA or globally, because my statements were true either way. Your statements were false.

Worldwide Smartphone Sales to End Users:
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-market-share-q4-2011-gartner-53988/
http://www.alwaysonmessage.com/2011...3-of-2011-up-42-percent-from-q3-2010-gartner/
Android Market Share
Q3 2011: 52.5
Q4 2011: 50.9

iOS Market Share
Q3 2011: 15.0
Q4 2011: 23.8
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
This is the exact reason I could never make the Note my main device. You can see the battery time is decent at 15hrs 25mins, but most of that was it just sitting there. Look at the time on which tells the real story. I didn't even get 2 hours of actual usage before my battery was at 22% :rolleyes: Meanwhile, I used my iPhone nearly 7 hours. If the Note would have been my main device it would have been dead at around 6 hours with 2 hours of actual use, ridiculous. I did end up with an extra battery for it but still, not sure I want to be carting around batteries too. The Note does have the biggest battery of any Android phone I have had, just sucks it also dies the fastest.
 

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Lindenhurst

macrumors 6502a
Aug 24, 2011
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This is the exact reason I could never make the Note my main device. You can see the battery time is decent at 15hrs 25mins, but most of that was it just sitting there. Look at the time on which tells the real story. I didn't even get 2 hours of actual usage before my battery was at 22% :rolleyes: Meanwhile, I used my iPhone nearly 7 hours. If the Note would have been my main device it would have been dead at around 6 hours with 2 hours of actual use, ridiculous. I did end up with an extra battery for it but still, not sure I want to be carting around batteries too. The Note does have the biggest battery of any Android phone I have had, just sucks it also dies the fastest.


You may want to return that phone. Either something is wrong with the phone or the battery because your battery life is not typical. I get about 90% of what my iPhone battery life was, and many others here and on other forums do the same.
Exchange it. See if that helps. Hopefully it will.

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Well yes...some dudes here actually think because they have an iPhone it makes them more attractive to women...LOL

It's a trendy device that is popular now. I guess it's like the "in" jeans, the Uggs, and all the other stuff younger people buy to show they are "with it".

To me it is just a phone, but at the age of 51, I'd have to be a bit strange if i really cared what others thought about the phone I was using.
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
You may want to return that phone. Either something is wrong with the phone or the battery because your battery life is not typical. I get about 90% of what my iPhone battery life was, and many others here and on other forums do the same.
Exchange it. See if that helps. Hopefully it will.

No point really. This is my 7th Android phone, I know how it goes and this is pretty typical for a device running on LTE with a huge screen. My Galaxy S2 performs about the same when its on 4G which lead me to picking up an iPhone in the first place.
 

jeffe

macrumors 6502a
Feb 17, 2008
601
50
I'm glad for Samsung. For those comparing sales, the note is probably more of a niche device right now and Samsung hardly has the marketing power and fan following to create hype and buzz as Apple does although they are getting better with there galaxy brand.
 
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