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Ludatyk

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So far, i haven't regretted it. It just feels so much better without, slot less friction and fingerprints.

Yeah, I seen a video about it.. YouTuber actually went Samsung to get it removed and explained the experience with going without the screen protector. I mean, I want to.. but for some reason, I gotta have some type of case first...
 

Bkdodger

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Hey, just figured out how to get app continuity back. Simply add the qualification that lawnchair or whichever app your using for the home screen be open to the unfolded action. So the qualifications are "if unfolded and lawnchair open, then open nova".

Trying out lawnchair right now for the outside screen, and while I like it better than shade, there is always a delay when I unlock the phone in folded mode while shade was instant. Are you getting that delay too?

Edit: Just added "nova open" to the qualifiers of opening lawnchair when closed and now it automatically switches to lawnchair when hitting the home button when closed, just a slight delay as it first shows nova before opening lawnchair. Getting really close to having it work the way I want it to.

Awesome I have to check it out when I get home ...it’s not too delay I don’t have anything to compare yet since I picked these two launchers from the start ...I will try it and post you a video of it
 

Bkdodger

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Hey, just figured out how to get app continuity back. Simply add the qualification that lawnchair or whichever app your using for the home screen be open to the unfolded action. So the qualifications are "if unfolded and lawnchair open, then open nova".

Trying out lawnchair right now for the outside screen, and while I like it better than shade, there is always a delay when I unlock the phone in folded mode while shade was instant. Are you getting that delay too?

Edit: Just added "nova open" to the qualifiers of opening lawnchair when closed and now it automatically switches to lawnchair when hitting the home button when closed, just a slight delay as it first shows nova before opening lawnchair. Getting really close to having it work the way I want it to.
Apps I tried all continue flawless.. But home screens definitely have more of a delay...
Edit >. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d-kOCP767wMv-24BUtsHuCj8GZ_jj1A0/view?usp=drivesdk
 
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Fernandez21

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Apps I tried all continue flawless.. But home screens definitely have more of a delay...

Yup. Only the first time though on the inside.

I switched back to shade for the outside display as it’s faster launching than lawn chair. Also found that adding another “when closed, open shade” routine helps speed things up. Haven’t done that to the inside one as that would break app continuity. But if you have app continuity set for closing the phone too, that last routine would break that too.

Wish there was a way to speed up the routine.
 

Bkdodger

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Yup. Only the first time though on the inside.

I switched back to shade for the outside display as it’s faster launching than lawn chair. Also found that adding another “when closed, open shade” routine helps speed things up. Haven’t done that to the inside one as that would break app continuity. But if you have app continuity set for closing the phone too, that last routine would break that too.

Wish there was a way to speed up the routine.
Yes sir same I think..
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spinedoc77

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Perhaps.. I'm not understanding the question. But doesn't swipe down open Finder? With Android.. Both Finder & App Drawer is combined. As for me.. I have swipe down to open Notifications , but in order to switch that off you have to through the HomeScreen Settings.
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I think they are different, the app drawer and the finder app. What I like about the finder app is that it starts with the keyboard enabled and the cursor in the search box, so I just have to start typing. With the app drawer I still have to reach up and click inside the text box to start typing. I want it to function more like Spotlight on iOS and finder pretty much does the same thing.
 

Ludatyk

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I think they are different, the app drawer and the finder app.

Umm.. idk.

What I like about the finder app is that it starts with the keyboard enabled and the cursor in the search box, so I just have to start typing. With the app drawer I still have to reach up and click inside the text box to start typing. I want it to function more like Spotlight on iOS and finder pretty much does the same thing.

We might be looking at this differently... but regardless if you click inside the text box or not. You are among the App Drawer. I mean, I get it.. there's a Finder App. But as you just mention about reaching up inside the text box to start typing.. that's invoking the Finder App while being in the App Drawer... that's why I said they are combined.
 

Zito Abroad

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I think they are different, the app drawer and the finder app. What I like about the finder app is that it starts with the keyboard enabled and the cursor in the search box, so I just have to start typing. With the app drawer I still have to reach up and click inside the text box to start typing. I want it to function more like Spotlight on iOS and finder pretty much does the same thing.

I only use my phone with custom gestures. It's the most effective way to use the display area and navigate your phone. So for something like the Finder app, I just swipe diagonally down from the left, an I'm straight into Finder, and no taping the search box. Here's how I have my gestures set up. I can never go back to any other way of navigating a phone after being spoiled with such customization. First screenshot is gesture settings for all handles, second screenshot is just the left handle where I've assigned a gesture to open Finder. Easy peasy.

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spinedoc77

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Umm.. idk.



We might be looking at this differently... but regardless if you click inside the text box or not. You are among the App Drawer. I mean, I get it.. there's a Finder App. But as you just mention about reaching up inside the text box to start typing.. that's invoking the Finder App while being in the App Drawer... that's why I said they are combined.

Well yeah technically you aren't wrong, but I wasn't debating that, just looking for a way to find how to have a swipe start the finder app instead of the app drawer.
 

spinedoc77

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I only use my phone with custom gestures. It's the most effective way to use the display area and navigate your phone. So for something like the Finder app, I just swipe diagonally down from the left, an I'm straight into Finder, and no taping the search box. Here's how I have my gestures set up. I can never go back to any other way of navigating a phone after being spoiled with such customization. First screenshot is gesture settings for all handles, second screenshot is just the left handle where I've assigned a gesture to open Finder. Easy peasy.

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Yeah that would be perfect. Is that a separate app you are using?
 

Zito Abroad

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Yeah that's almost perfect. Wish it had a bottom handle, but I think I can get used that.

Take your time with the app. Lots to adjust, but once you do, you won't go back. On the home screen, I can still use the stock gestures for pulling down the notifications shade and opening app drawer, but those gestures only work when you're on a homescreen. So with Onehand Operation +, I can still do all that, regardless of what screen or app I have open. It's so much better.
 

spinedoc77

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Take your time with the app. Lots to adjust, but once you do, you won't go back. On the home screen, I can still use the stock gestures for pulling down the notifications shade and opening app drawer, but those gestures only work when you're on a homescreen. So with Onehand Operation +, I can still do all that, regardless of what screen or app I have open. It's so much better.

Hmm, if I use a right swipe then it forces me to let the app handle all the gestures on the device. Unfortunately the back function doesn't work properly, it doesn't back you out of stuff the same as the Android back function. I'll have to play with it a bit more.
 

spinedoc77

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So anyone else switching from the iPhone find Android rearing its ugly head again?!? I swear never in my wildest dreams would I EVER imagine that messaging would still be unresolved on Android in 2020?!??! So Google is trying to take over RCS, but the carriers (in particular Verizon who is always crappy with everything) is blocking them and RCS doesn't work on Samsung messenger (but might work on Google messenger which I don't want to use). Of course it's all a moot point as RCS doesn't work with iPhones, and virtually everyone in my entire life has an iPhone. So I can't even send a freakin short video of my kid playing soccer to my wife, it gets converted to MMS and becomes a hot buttery blurry mess. Well I could email it but then it can't be larger than 33mb and then she has to figure out how to download and save it to her gallery, but at 33mb I'll assume it will be a hot buttery mess. And no, I don't want to force everyone of my friends and family to install Whatsapp, Signal or Facebook Messenger.

Sorry just venting...
 

SteveJUAE

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So anyone else switching from the iPhone find Android rearing its ugly head again?!? I swear never in my wildest dreams would I EVER imagine that messaging would still be unresolved on Android in 2020?!??! So Google is trying to take over RCS, but the carriers (in particular Verizon who is always crappy with everything) is blocking them and RCS doesn't work on Samsung messenger (but might work on Google messenger which I don't want to use). Of course it's all a moot point as RCS doesn't work with iPhones, and virtually everyone in my entire life has an iPhone. So I can't even send a freakin short video of my kid playing soccer to my wife, it gets converted to MMS and becomes a hot buttery blurry mess. Well I could email it but then it can't be larger than 33mb and then she has to figure out how to download and save it to her gallery, but at 33mb I'll assume it will be a hot buttery mess. And no, I don't want to force everyone of my friends and family to install Whatsapp, Signal or Facebook Messenger.

Sorry just venting...
LOL get it off your chest :)

The reality is outside probably US and AUS that many have compulsory bundled (not free) texting, it is dying, so even though RCS is a welcome upgrade to the old standard it's marginal to most users worldwide who are using Whatsapp etc

The biggest users of SMS/RCS is likely to be institutions and probably advertisers and not normal users who have largely moved on to more cost effective solutions :)
 

Awesomesince86

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So anyone else switching from the iPhone find Android rearing its ugly head again?!? I swear never in my wildest dreams would I EVER imagine that messaging would still be unresolved on Android in 2020?!??! So Google is trying to take over RCS, but the carriers (in particular Verizon who is always crappy with everything) is blocking them and RCS doesn't work on Samsung messenger (but might work on Google messenger which I don't want to use). Of course it's all a moot point as RCS doesn't work with iPhones, and virtually everyone in my entire life has an iPhone. So I can't even send a freakin short video of my kid playing soccer to my wife, it gets converted to MMS and becomes a hot buttery blurry mess. Well I could email it but then it can't be larger than 33mb and then she has to figure out how to download and save it to her gallery, but at 33mb I'll assume it will be a hot buttery mess. And no, I don't want to force everyone of my friends and family to install Whatsapp, Signal or Facebook Messenger.

Sorry just venting...

Maybe I'm in the minority that the majority of the people I communicate frequently with have androids, but I've found almost no issues with RCS in the past year. Since Google started forcing their version of jibe on carriers, it's been pretty good for me. Not imessage levels, but much better than just and/mms. I always use Google messages and seal with their RCS rather than rely on carriers though. But I have friends who use the default Samsung messaging and I RCS chat with them all the time without issue.
 

spinedoc77

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LOL get it off your chest :)

The reality is outside probably US and AUS that many have compulsory bundled (not free) texting, it is dying, so even though RCS is a welcome upgrade to the old standard it's marginal to most users worldwide who are using Whatsapp etc

The biggest users of SMS/RCS is likely to be institutions and probably advertisers and not normal users who have largely moved on to more cost effective solutions :)

In my research I've read those sentiments many times, but I don't fully agree. MMS was a universal setup, you didn't have to download any app, you didn't have to get your friends/family to download the app and connect with you, etc. That's the power of iMessage, it's already built in. I get that Google is trying to do this with Google Messenger, they just seem to be failing miserably at it. RCS is a huge upgrade over stuff like Whatsapp if for the simple reason that it (ideally) it should already be installed and ready to go for every single Android phone sold.

I'm also aware of the benefits of encryption and RCS lack of it. I just want something simple to send videos of my kids, if I want encrypted I'll just use Signal. Sure RCS will be a beast controlled by Google and US carriers, but iMessages is controlled by Apple, and so is each respective messaging app out there. Sure encryption ideally shields you from them, but that's if you trust the company, its servers and its relationship with other entities who like backdoors. Plus when you say cost effective you are, of course, saying out side of the US. My text messaging is free and unlimited (although my data is probably much much worse than yours).
 

spinedoc77

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Maybe I'm in the minority that the majority of the people I communicate frequently with have androids, but I've found almost no issues with RCS in the past year. Since Google started forcing their version of jibe on carriers, it's been pretty good for me. Not imessage levels, but much better than just and/mms. I always use Google messages and seal with their RCS rather than rely on carriers though. But I have friends who use the default Samsung messaging and I RCS chat with them all the time without issue.

Hmm, from what I'm reading in my searches it seems that RCS, Samsung and Verizon don't mix at all. Well except the S9, which for some reason Verizon has officially grandfathered into RCS. I did say that I don't want to use Google messenger, but I suppose I should at give it more time. What irks me is that with GM text don't show up on my watch.
 

Ludatyk

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So Google is trying to take over RCS, but the carriers (in particular Verizon who is always crappy with everything) is blocking them and RCS doesn't work on Samsung messenger (but might work on Google messenger which I don't want to use).

Samsung Messages App does support RCS.. its up to the carrier to enabled it on their end. I'm on AT&T... I haven't tested it yet. But I know a friend of mine who uses the Samsung app and he gets RCS features.
 

SteveJUAE

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In my research I've read those sentiments many times, but I don't fully agree. MMS was a universal setup, you didn't have to download any app, you didn't have to get your friends/family to download the app and connect with you, etc. That's the power of iMessage, it's already built in. I get that Google is trying to do this with Google Messenger, they just seem to be failing miserably at it. RCS is a huge upgrade over stuff like Whatsapp if for the simple reason that it (ideally) it should already be installed and ready to go for every single Android phone sold.

I'm also aware of the benefits of encryption and RCS lack of it. I just want something simple to send videos of my kids, if I want encrypted I'll just use Signal. Sure RCS will be a beast controlled by Google and US carriers, but iMessages is controlled by Apple, and so is each respective messaging app out there. Sure encryption ideally shields you from them, but that's if you trust the company, its servers and its relationship with other entities who like backdoors. Plus when you say cost effective you are, of course, saying out side of the US. My text messaging is free and unlimited (although my data is probably much much worse than yours).
Sorry your miss understanding my point :) I am not debating pro's and cons of messaging services on different devices just noting outside mainly US and AUS sms/mms is a dying trend

Many like to think that sms/mms unlimited is free but in truth its just a bundled in with courier charges for data etc etc as it's conditional

That's why particularly in US the carriers like Iphones as you pay by stealth for sms/mms but because of the popularity of Imessage it's barley used

Many in the world have smartphones with no data packages and rely on wifi alone or pay $2-5 a month for say 10GB and never use sms/mms as it's chargeable

Habits in US on sms/mms are not followed in many other countries :) and millions work on entirely different budgets for their phone usage

I can probably count on my hands the number of personal sms/mms messages I receive in a year as it's simply the non preferred medium regardless of OS
 
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spinedoc77

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Sorry your miss understanding my point :) I am not debating pro's and cons of messaging services on different devices just noting outside mainly US and AUS sms/mms is a dying trend

Many like to think that sms/mms unlimited is free but in truth its just a bundled in with courier charges for data etc etc as it's conditional

That's why particularly in US the carriers like Iphones as you pay by stealth for sms/mms but because of the popularity of Imessage it's barley used

Many in the world have smartphones with no data packages and rely on wifi alone or pay $2-5 a month for say 10GB and never use sms/mms as it's chargeable

Habits in US on sms/mms are not followed in many other countries :) and millions work on entirely different budgets for their phone usage

I don't disagree, but everything is "bundled", but I would think that's pretty obvious. Even "free" services such as Whatsapp come with a "bundled" cost, that of your data/information. Nothing is for free, and the more "free" a product is the more it costs IMHO.

I understand what you are saying, but there is one tiny little detail that doesn't work, that detail is that I AM in the US. I understand the popularity of non carrier controlled messaging such as Whatsapp, it's just that out of all my friends and family virtually no one uses it or even has it installed, nor any other messaging app. I'm not trying to say this is representative of the US, just representative of my circle. Only a few of the older relatives use it, and that's mainly to talk to people outside of the US for free. For me to convince all these people to download, sign up, maintain and use a new app for messaging is nigh impossible.
 
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Fernandez21

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You could try sending google photos links for you videos.

You should also try Verizon messenger, ui isn’t too pretty, but it gives you the option getting all your messages on other platforms, I have Verizon messenger installed on my iPhone, iPad, and iMac as well as my fold.

Also, if you family is also on Verizon, they can also install that to get the full quality videos.
 
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Oohara

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I don't disagree, but everything is "bundled", but I would think that's pretty obvious. Even "free" services such as Whatsapp come with a "bundled" cost, that of your data/information. Nothing is for free, and the more "free" a product is the more it costs IMHO.

I understand what you are saying, but there is one tiny little detail that doesn't work, that detail is that I AM in the US. I understand the popularity of non carrier controlled messaging such as Whatsapp, it's just that out of all my friends and family virtually no one uses it or even has it installed, nor any other messaging app. I'm not trying to say this is representative of the US, just representative of my circle. Only a few of the older relatives use it, and that's mainly to talk to people outside of the US for free. For me to convince all these people to download, sign up, maintain and use a new app for messaging is nigh impossible.
I use WhatsApp for most of my messaging due to my girlfriend being on Android and most of my contacts living all over the world, but I totally understand your concerns with being without iMessage. I have one particular circle of friends who have always preferred iPhone and could never be arsed to download WhatsApp, and parts of my family are on iPhone because it simply happened that way and they're not phone savvy enough to ever switch to any other platform nor install an alternative messaging app. So, every time over the years that I've switched to Android for my main device, I simply have to accept that I'll be messaging a lot less with those people. Meaning, almost zero. Only sending very basic text messages over SMS when necessary. No vids, no photos etc., nada - because it always got too complicated to remain spontaneous and fun. Which sucks, but I've always put up with it because I really wanted to live in Android world at times.

The last time I did it was with the OnePlus 6T, but that didn't last long and I've decided to never go down that road again. It wasn't worth it. So, with me currently being based on iPhone and packing lots of Apple "ecosystem" stuff (brackets because I hate that term) that I do love, but still being unable to stop drooling when I see pretty new Android gear - the next time I do go Android, I'll get a small iPhone to run on the side. What draws me to Android these days is almost purely the hardware, and mainly because I always like me as big an OLED screen as possible without having to lug around a proper tablet, so I might move to using a Fold or Duo when their next generations come out - but with a small iPhone on the side to stay in touch with those iMessage folks.

Kind of irritating I guess, but hey....if it gives me a reason to own a second device, there's a silver lining to that cloud after all ;) And I certainly don't hate Apple or discredit the usefulness of iMessage because things are as they are. Usually if you speak to the advantages of iMessage around here though, you're gonna have a bad time.
 

GadgetSN

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We are going off topic but I find iMessage annoying. My wifes iphone, my mums iphone and my kids ipads all use my appleid. Why is it that when my wife friends sends her a text message she sometimes never receives it? Instead it ends up on my kids ipad. Likewise when her friend tries to face time her the kids ipad rings. More worryingly we also recently found out that many of the text messages sent to my wifes number can be seen by my mum. Is this because they use the same appleid? Shouldn't it be related to the phone number? Is there a privacy problem using the same appleid?

Apple are bloody annoying if you ask me.
What really is the fascination about imessage?
 
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