Samsung's new Note 4 commercial

[spinedoc77]

I'm not arguing about your second and third paragraphs. If the Note 3 suits your needs better, fine. There's logical reasons for that.

The bigger screen is also better for that task you mentioned. I wasn't arguing that.

But I was pointing how wrong another poster was. He was saying that Android devices always have more advanced hardware when they don't. And with newer iPhones, Apple just pulled away big time.

But not all users are the same, and in cases like yours, the few people that use the pen, the note is the only option, despite the horrible software, poor support and lag on some basic tasks like open the dialer app.

Software isn't horrible, but of course this is subjective. Why is support poor? Lag is complete and utter BS. The only lag I've ever seen, which I agree with you, is for some reason on the phone dialer, and then it's just the first time I open it after a reboot. Once it's loaded there is no issue.

All these things are exaggerated, I can exaggerate things which I experience occasionally on iOS as well. iOS lags at times, the shutter lag is atrocious and I've missed many pics of my toddler, iOS apps randomly force close for no reason at all, if I have too many browser tabs open safari force closes, etc etc. No technology or hardware is perfect, they all have flaws and just by the nature of physics and programming there will always be issues. It's just who decides to be realistic and who decides to exaggerate. IMO it's the exaggerators , the "it lags" crowd who should be banned.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

You aren't proving that the iphones display is better, in some aspects it may be better where in other aspects the Samsungs are better. What's funny is we don't have in depth reviews or benchmarking of the Note 4 yet. First impression reviews say it's much brighter and has much better white levels than the Note 3, which was very nice IMO. We really don't have that answer yet.

As for processor and such I've seen benchmarks go either way, of course depending on the device and hardware. It's not cut and dry as you would like to make it seem. Which apps are not properly supported on Android due to hardware? Which apps cannot be run on Android due to hardware?

Rationality is important, but you don't sound much different than the guy you were complaining about.

Even Phone Arena has a nice side by side test between a Note 4 and a 5s, doing the basic tasks. Guess what.

My point was that those apps weren't supported because of the hardware alone. My point was that some very nice apps and demanding games aren't there, so the hypothetical hardware advantage (that isn't there) is useless. And generally speaking, all apps perform better on the iPhone, for various reasons (iOS vs Android, Core Vs core, etc).

About the screen, I wasn't saying the the one used on the 5s is way better. I'm just saying at at the most, they are extremely close, making the poster that mentioned otherwise clearly wrong.

And I'm talking about phones being sold today. although the note 4 is already behind right now.

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Software isn't horrible, but of course this is subjective. Why is support poor? Lag is complete and utter BS. The only lag I've ever seen, which I agree with you, is for some reason on the phone dialer, and then it's just the first time I open it after a reboot. Once it's loaded there is no issue.

All these things are exaggerated, I can exaggerate things which I experience occasionally on iOS as well. iOS lags at times, the shutter lag is atrocious and I've missed many pics of my toddler, iOS apps randomly force close for no reason at all, if I have too many browser tabs open safari force closes, etc etc. No technology or hardware is perfect, they all have flaws and just by the nature of physics and programming there will always be issues. It's just who decides to be realistic and who decides to exaggerate. IMO it's the exaggerators , the "it lags" crowd who should be banned.

So you agree with me that today, there is not a single Android device being sold that has SUPERIOR hardware. at most, they are close with the 5s. At most.

Support Poor?? It's Samsung. International Galaxy S3 users never saw kitkat.

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Apple may have what you deem more advanced hardware, 64 bit processing, etc. but as I'm noting, if it's not making a difference in my world, why would I care? I'll gladly stack my pushrod driven LS7 up against an import any day of the week.



You're right, not all users are the same, thus why Samsung has both an S-Series and a Note Series. The "lag" on basic tasks isn't related to the processors either, it's a simple matter of deciding if you like animations or not. Simply enter developer mode and turn all 3 settings for them OFF and watch the "lag" you hear about go to ZERO. Ask me how I know. I would also suggest ditching touch whiz and instead use a browser like Nova Launcher. Way, way smoother and more customizable. Lastly, ditch the stock dialer app too.

Those last three points.....main reasons why Android > iOS. You can customize the functionality so easily. Very much like hitting the performance switch on my Audi. Makes a huge difference.

I'm getting so tired of posters like you... Who said that it would make a difference on "your world"? Can't you read? My posts were targeted to a user that said that Android devices have better hardware.

They don't. Period. End of discussion.

Of corse that there are reasons for any rational person to prefer the note: You might enjoy Android. You might like the pen. Who cares? That wasn't my point. And you can deactivate every single animation: When you open the dealer app, it always lags. TW can lag on even basic screen transitions. Ask me how I know.

P.S: Obviously I'm using google now launcher.

 

[spinedoc77]

Even Phone Arena has a nice side by side test between a Note 4 and a 5s, doing the basic tasks. Guess what.

My point was that those apps weren't supported because of the hardware alone. My point was that some very nice apps and demanding games aren't there, so the hypothetical hardware advantage (that isn't there) is useless. And generally speaking, all apps perform better on the iPhone, for various reasons (iOS vs Android, Core Vs core, etc).

About the screen, I wasn't saying the the one used on the 5s is way better. I'm just saying at at the most, they are extremely close, making the poster that mentioned otherwise clearly wrong.

And I'm talking about phones being sold today. although the note 4 is already behind right now.

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So you agree with me that today, there is not a single Android device being sold that has SUPERIOR hardware. at most, they are close with the 5s. At most.

Support Poor?? It's Samsung. International Galaxy S3 users never saw kitkat.

You are vacillating between the 2 concepts, I'm not sure you know what you are trying to prove. First you argue that Apple hardware is superior, but then you argue that it doesn't matter if the experience is smooth. Well the experience is very smooth for me using Android on my Note 3, no lag or other BS that gets bandied around.

"generally speaking all apps perform better on iOS"... that's a grandiose statement if I've ever heard one, studies? Even if true, which I highly doubt, it would be a moot point by YOUR very own reasoning that if it's a smooth experience no one cares.

About the screen, ahh backpedaling so quickly? So now it's not that the iphones screen is so much superior, but now it's "extremely close"?

Dunno, the thread is about the Note 4. No I don't agree with you that there is no android phone with superior hardware. I'm not technically oriented enough to fully answer that, but I think the hardware and of course the software run on them is so different it would be difficult to really gauge that. Is the 2.3ghz quad core cpu in the Note 3 more powerful than the 1.3ghz dual core cpu in the 5s? Is the 3gb of RAM in the N3 better than the 1gb of RAM in the 5s? Is the 386PPI of the N3 better than the 325PPI of the 5s? Purely looking at thosenumbers it is, but of course you can't look at it that way.

 

[pdqgp]

Are you seriously telling me, that someone that works on that area prefers a display that doesn't even displays the right colors and is notoriously known for being extremely over saturated?

On a phone yes. Are you in turn seriously telling me that you know photographers who use a Phablet as a presentation tool? Even the iPads I use with clients and in the field are NOT accurate without proper calibration software and presentation apps installed. I do use them and have mine calibrated so yes, I'm speaking from first hand use here. No way would I use the stock photo album viewer to show accuracy because it doesn't. That's not an opinion, that's a Spider Calibration Tool verified.

Only with the s5 is samsung closer to get an acceptable balance. And you might "prefer" AMOLED displays, but you can say that overall they are better, because if you value brightness they aren't. If you value accuracy they aren't. if you value longevity they aren't. If you value white levels they aren't.

Um, taking my Note 3 outside on a bright day like today vs even an iPad Air, yes, the Note 3 is easier to see. Note is brighter and the the colors and contrast a lot easier to view. Nothing, including white levels appear "off-mark" as outside in a normal day (outside a setting with controlled lighting) everything is challenging. Thus the reason why I don't do portfolio or proof viewing outside on my patio or on-location with a client. Nothing you'd see there on either display is going to be representative of what the end product is.

 

[rrl]

Good ad. I've known since its inception that eventually everyone will be chasing the Note. Apple will have a built-in stylus by Fall 2016, but if iOS doesn't have a developer mode by then I still won't be buying. Keep chasing, Apple.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

You are vacillating between the 2 concepts, I'm not sure you know what you are trying to prove. First you argue that Apple hardware is superior, but then you argue that it doesn't matter if the experience is smooth. Well the experience is very smooth for me using Android on my Note 3, no lag or other BS that gets bandied around.

"generally speaking all apps perform better on iOS"... that's a grandiose statement if I've ever heard one, studies? Even if true, which I highly doubt, it would be a moot point by YOUR very own reasoning that if it's a smooth experience no one cares.

About the screen, ahh backpedaling so quickly? So now it's not that the iphones screen is so much superior, but now it's "extremely close"?

Dunno, the thread is about the Note 4. No I don't agree with you that there is no android phone with superior hardware. I'm not technically oriented enough to fully answer that, but I think the hardware and of course the software run on them is so different it would be difficult to really gauge that. Is the 2.3ghz quad core cpu in the Note 3 more powerful than the 1.3ghz dual core cpu in the 5s? Is the 3gb of RAM in the N3 better than the 1gb of RAM in the 5s? Is the 386PPI of the N3 better than the 325PPI of the 5s? Purely looking at thosenumbers it is, but of course you can't look at it that way.

On most areas, the hardware on the iPhone is superior. But that wasn't why I posted in the first place.

My post was targeted at someone that bluntly lied: "Android users will always have much better hardware, faster devices, much better screens, etc.".

Your experience might be smooth on the Note 3, but only if you compare it with the experience of using another Samsung device. It isn't smooth to anybody that used a Nexus, a modern Moto Phone, an iPhone, and HTC with sense 6.

Studies? What about having experience with modern devices from both sides? What about listening to what Devs have to say? What about looking at the current app landscape? What about reading articles about the matter?

About the screen, I'm not backpedalling at all. You Black Levels are more important for you than White levels, color accuracy, brightness and longevity, then AMOLED screens will suit your needs better, but they aren't "better". get it?

About your last paragraph, if you make a decision based on those numbers, you shouldn't even buy smartphones on the first place. Clearly the knowledge isn't there. And that's ok, it isn't your job.

Just don't say that other devices have better hardware because:
- Clock frequency;
- Number of cores;
- Megapixels;
- Amount of RAM.

No informed person would say that.

 

[pdqgp]

I'm getting so tired of posters like you... Who said that it would make a difference on "your world"? Can't you read? My posts were targeted to a user that said that Android devices have better hardware.

Posters like me? Who do YOU think you are? Do you know me? Time to climb off your self righteous high-horse there buddy. I don't care WHO your posts were targeted at, I'm going to share my findings with everyone. Care to ignore them or debate them on the premise of facts, bring it. Yes, "My World" as a photographer and real user of the tools as intended.

They don't. Period. End of discussion.

Debate the better hardware point with facts proving it yields results. Do so outside stock bench testing software why don't you. Or you could walk away if you can't debate, that's cool. I'll bring facts to the table, how about you? Perhaps if you do, those that you TARGETED with your posts would take you seriously.

Of corse that there are reasons for any rational person to prefer the note: You might enjoy Android. You might like the pen. Who cares?

Who cares? Perhaps others reading this thread. Those that don't can move on like normal people. See I don't care about everyone point I read either, but I move on and skip over those posts as I have little desire to contribute. If you want to disagree, I'm good with that too.

you can deactivate every single animation: When you open the dealer app, it always lags. TW can lag on even basic screen transitions. Ask me how I know.

Did I say the stock TW Dialer didn't lag or did I suggest actually replacing it so that you can enjoy a lag free dialer? The latter is the answer. Ask me how I know.

P.S: Obviously I'm using google now launcher.

How would that be obvious? Share with us your finding so perhaps we might care.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

On a phone yes. Are you in turn seriously telling me that you know photographers who use a Phablet as a presentation tool? Even the iPads I use with clients and in the field are NOT accurate without proper calibration software and presentation apps installed. I do use them and have mine calibrated so yes, I'm speaking from first hand use here. No way would I use the stock photo album viewer to show accuracy because it doesn't. That's not an opinion, that's a Spider Calibration Tool verified.



Um, taking my Note 3 outside on a bright day like today vs even an iPad Air, yes, the Note 3 is easier to see. Note is brighter and the the colors and contrast a lot easier to view. Nothing, including white levels appear "off-mark" as outside in a normal day (outside a setting with controlled lighting) everything is challenging. Thus the reason why I don't do portfolio or proof viewing outside on my patio or on-location with a client. Nothing you'd see there on either display is going to be representative of what the end product is.

First paragraph:

When I take a picture of something that is white, I want it to stay white. That's why I don't get your point. Colors are wrong.

About the rest, no. You are not different then the others. The iPhone 5 goes up to 600 nits. When compared, white levels are clearly of the mark. Don't make things up to suit your distorted view.

 

[spinedoc77]

On most areas, the hardware on the iPhone is superior. But that wasn't why I posted in the first place.

My post was targeted at someone that bluntly lied: "Android users will always have much better hardware, faster devices, much better screens, etc.".

Your experience might be smooth on the Note 3, but only if you compare it with the experience of using another Samsung device. It isn't smooth to anybody that used a Nexus, a modern Moto Phone, an iPhone, and HTC with sense 6.

Studies? What about having experience with modern devices from both sides? What about listening to what Devs have to say? What about looking at the current app landscape? What about reading articles about the matter?

About the screen, I'm not backpedalling at all. You Black Levels are more important for you than White levels, color accuracy, brightness and longevity, then AMOLED screens will suit your needs better, but they aren't "better". get it?

About your last paragraph, if you make a decision based on those numbers, you shouldn't even buy smartphones on the first place. Clearly the knowledge isn't there. And that's ok, it isn't your job.

Just don't say that other devices have better hardware because:
- Clock frequency;
- Number of cores;
- Megapixels;
- Amount of RAM.

No informed person would say that.

My experience on the Note 3 is AS smooth as an iPhone 5s, a Nexus 5 and a HTC, which I've also owned. I haven't used a Moto X personally.

All the other stuff you said I've already discussed. The last point about the numbers, well that point flew right over your head. But just so we are clear on this:

My experience on the Note 3 is AS smooth as an iPhone 5s, a Nexus 5 and a HTC, which I've also owned. I haven't used a Moto X personally.

My experience on the Note 3 is AS smooth as an iPhone 5s, a Nexus 5 and a HTC, which I've also owned. I haven't used a Moto X personally.

My experience on the Note 3 is AS smooth as an iPhone 5s, a Nexus 5 and a HTC, which I've also owned. I haven't used a Moto X personally.

 

[pdqgp]

First paragraph:

When I take a picture of something that is white, I want it to stay white. That's why I don't get your point. Colors are wrong.

Then don't view them on an iPad because out of the box, whites aren't white either. They tend to lean toward Magenta. The gamut of an iPad is also much smaller than a traditional display so what you're seeing out of the box on a Retina display is far less than what you should be seeing. Again, run a calibration tool like Datacolor Spyder and you might know this.

 

[Markyboy81]

When we talk about hardware superiority, are we only talking about performance or are we talking about hardware features? Because I can list a number of ways I think the note 3 hardware is superior to the iphone;
* support for sd card
* ir blaster
* smart stay
* s pen
* notification light

Could probably go on, but you get the idea.

 

[spinedoc77]

When we talk about hardware superiority, are we only talking about performance or are we talking about hardware features? Because I can list a number of ways I think the note 3 hardware is superior to the iphone;
* support for sd card
* ir blaster
* smart stay
* s pen
* notification light

Could probably go on, but you get the idea.

I don't think he knows which topic he wants to debate. Hardware superiority on paper, or lack of importance of hardware in light of a smooth experience.

BTW don't forget to add removable battery to your list.

 

[Markyboy81]

I don't think he knows which topic he wants to debate. Hardware superiority on paper, or lack of importance of hardware in light of a smooth experience.

BTW don't forget to add removable battery to your list.

Ahhh yes I've just thought of a few more as well - ant+ support, apt - x and usb otg...

 

[The Game 161]

Multitasking is amazing on note and will be even better on note 4. Shocking apple didn't add this.

 

[spinedoc77]

Multitasking is amazing on note and will be even better on note 4. Shocking apple didn't add this.

Yeah I love that they changed the menu button on the left to a multitasking button. I also love the way you can just drag and resize multiple windows as if you were on a desktop computer.

The biggest advantage to my Note series IMO is the ability to leave my tablet at home.

 

[The Game 161]

Yeah I love that they changed the menu button on the left to a multitasking button. I also love the way you can just drag and resize multiple windows as if you were on a desktop computer.

The biggest advantage to my Note series IMO is the ability to leave my tablet at home.

Can't wait to use that on the note 4

 

[pdqgp]

When we talk about hardware superiority, are we only talking about performance or are we talking about hardware features? Because I can list a number of ways I think the note 3 hardware is superior to the iphone;
* support for sd card
* ir blaster
* smart stay
* s pen
* notification light

Could probably go on, but you get the idea.

BTW don't forget to add removable battery to your list.

One more for me is the plastic/pleather looking back. I know some may argue that but personally I love the look and feel of the Note 3 as it's completely easy to hold, and doesn't scratch nearly as easily as metal/aluminum or glass.

It always cracks me up to see the refined quality of an iPhone get slapped into a case. In fact we had 3 people over last night and all of them had their nice shiny new 5s's in a case. Facepalm.

 

[The Game 161]

One more for me is the plastic/pleather looking back. I know some may argue that but personally I love the look and feel of the Note 3 as it's completely easy to hold, and doesn't scratch nearly as easily as metal/aluminum or glass.

It always cracks me up to see the refined quality of an iPhone get slapped into a case. In fact we had 3 people over last night and all of them had their nice shiny new 5s's in a case. Facepalm.

Yeah love it too, like they kept it. Removable is huge for me. Not worrying what % it is overnight is great.

 

[rrl]

It always cracks me up to see the refined quality of an iPhone get slapped into a case. In fact we had 3 people over last night and all of them had their nice shiny new 5s's in a case. Facepalm.

This needed some size and a bold color.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Multitasking is amazing on note and will be even better on note 4. Shocking apple didn't add this.

They think that people just want to stare at rows and rows of apps so something like multi tasking never enters their minds.

 

[Markyboy81]

Yeah love it too, like they kept it. Removable is huge for me. Not worrying what % it is overnight is great.

Me too. I was puzzled when people seemed genuinely offended by the fake leather stitching. I think it's great!

 

[Shanghaichica]

Yeah I love that they changed the menu button on the left to a multitasking button. I also love the way you can just drag and resize multiple windows as if you were on a desktop computer.

The biggest advantage to my Note series IMO is the ability to leave my tablet at home.

The multi tasking buttons is so good and of course having more than one window open I use it all the time on my S5 and can't wait to use it on the note 4. I'm glad that I have the galaxy tab pro so I can use multi window on my tablet. There's been so many times when I've been watching a video on my ipad air and wanted to do something else at the same time but couldn't.

 

[pdqgp]

Me too. I was puzzled when people seemed genuinely offended by the fake leather stitching. I think it's great!

Better looking than the fake pleather on most dashboards.

 

[The Game 161]

The multi tasking buttons is so good and of course having more than one window open I use it all the time on my S5 and can't wait to use it on the note 4. I'm glad that I have the galaxy tab pro so I can use multi window on my tablet. There's been so many times when I've been watching a video on my ipad air and wanted to do something else at the same time but couldn't.

Yeah I use it Alot too.. Its amazing on my 12.2 too.

 

[Markyboy81]

Better looking than the fake pleather on most dashboards.

Definitely, and I couldn't live with myself if they'd sacrificed actual cows to make it!