Samsung's new Note 4 commercial

[Cnasty]

For me Android will always make a superior hardware device as their screens are more amazing, specs always faster, and their design is great (M8,LG G3,OPO,etc).

Apple will always for me always have the far superior OS as I have never once had the issues I have had with TW(yes its only one compared to many on Android) or the fractured updates and resource hogging that occurs.

I am a big fan of both in specific cases. I love my OPO and the stock Android with Cyanogen mod on top of it but I am very excited to finally get a larger iPhone with the preferred OS that I love.

 

[pdqgp]

The fact that it is an American company is a bonus.

I would tend to agree except the labor and parts come from China who in the end is driving those factories with fossil fuels that don't come from the US or support the Petrodollar but instead support another currency. That lack of support for the US Dollar is the real danger in the grand scheme as if the dollar fails in it's continued dominance, the US Economy will crash. Thus, supporting China even through a US Company isn't in our best interest.

So your point is valid as it keeps the US Dollar in the US, but again, it's more about the dollar outside the US that is the core to our success. That's the whole reason we are in the middle east to begin with. China is closer to Russia on the currency and oil front and that's the real danger to us in terms of what's happening in the world. Eventually the US plan will cut Iran off at the knees as a supplier of S.Korea out but China will likely continue to favor supplies of oil from Russia and that force is the real one to be reckoned with.

 

[jamezr]

One can measurebate stats all day long. However, I don't see Apple leading the way in sales....

Sure....but nothing in those sats from 2013 you listed dispute what i said......The iPhone is the bestselling phone in the world.
In cumulation Android outsells all others. Its a great mobile OS and has some great vendors! But still cannot dispute that the iPhone is the single best selling phone in the world.
Here it shows sales comparing yearly comparison from last year to this year.
Some show gains while other do not......

 

[adnbek]

One can measurebate stats all day long. However, I don't see Apple leading the way in sales....

http://mobithinking.com/mobile-marketing-tools/latest-mobile-stats/a

Mobile Phone Sales

Smart Phone Sales

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You realize that these stats you posted are their combined sales across all their handset models right? In any given year, Samsung has dozens upon dozens of different handsets they sell, from the low-end all the way up to their premium line.

However, on a per handset basis, there isn't a single Samsung phone that even comes close to the iPhone in terms of sales. Even if you combined their S and Note sales together, the same could still be said.

 

[pdqgp]

Sure....but nothing in those sats from 2013 you listed dispute what i said......The iPhone is the bestselling phone in the world.

Best selling yet? I'm confused.

1Q214 Shipment Volumes show:
Samsung 108.9 vs Apple at 43.7

1Q2014 Market Share show:
Samsung 24.3%
Apple 9.7%

 

[Shanghaichica]

I purchase based on the best bang for my buck. I think some of Apple products are high quality and enhance my life with rich functionality. The fact that it is an American company is a bonus.

I believe Android products are lesser quality and not worth saving a few bucks on. An example would be Google Android. Google isn't really good at finishing and polishing up products. They seem more focused on features and services. This leads to an OS that is not well thought out, less intuitive, but feature rich. Once you throw in Samsung, you now have another company not known for innovation, design, or software piling on top of Android's flaws. In the end you have lower quality product IMHO because the 2 companies aren't synced and focused on making the entire experience fantastic. They just want to get the product out to market fast.

This all could be applied to purchasing a car as well. Do you go for the cheaper, low quality, vehicle or do you spend a little more for a better quality version?

Not all android devices are cheaper than apple ones. At launch Samsung devices are just as expensive as Apple ones.

 

[pdqgp]

You realize that these stats you posted are their combined sales across all their handset models right? In any given year, Samsung has dozens upon dozens of different handsets they sell, from the low-end all the way up to their premium line.

Yes, hence the reason why point 4a) shows Smartphone shipments by manufacturer. It's the second snap-shot posted.

However, on a per handset basis, there isn't a single Samsung phone that even comes close to the iPhone in terms of sales. Even if you combined their S and Note sales together, the same could still be said.

I'm not looking at one specific phone vs another, I'm looking at Samsung phones & smartphones vs Apple phones & smartphones.

Top five smartphone vendors, shipments, and market share in 2013 (millions of units), according to Gartner

Samsung 299.8 31.0%
Apple 150.8 15.6%

You don't look at one exact model vs another exact model. Look at Smart phones vs Smart phones. Both have several in their portfolio and while Apple is doing well in the US, worldwide, Samsung still leads the way. I would also say IMO, the market overall has more to target in the lower price space than up top. Face it, China has a lot of people, but unlike the US where 13 yr olds have Smartphones, their people aren't all shelling out the same $$ for a smartphone. Apple knows that which is why they launched the 5c.

 

[Black Magic]

Not all android devices are cheaper than apple ones. At launch Samsung devices are just as expensive as Apple ones.

Costing the same doesn't always equate to the quality being the same.

 

[jamezr]

Best selling yet? I'm confused.

1Q214 Shipment Volumes show:
Samsung 108.9 vs Apple at 43.7

1Q2014 Market Share show:
Samsung 24.3%
Apple 9.7%

I know you are confused....you haven't paid attention to what you have been reading and replying to......

The sales figures you quoted above. How many different Samsung phones make up those stats for Samsung?

Ok......now the figures you quoted for Apple. How many phones make up those sales? Thats right.......Apple only sells one smartphone. The iPhone......
Samsung has more market share percentage wise than Apple does. Thats a given. They make a ton more smartphone models as well. So those combined sales add up to great market share. But that is not what I said. Show me one smartphone in the world by ant vendor that outsells the iPhone. Let's narrow it down to just the iPhone 5s....

 

[pdqgp]

Ok......now the figures you quoted for Apple. How many phones make up those sales? Thats right.......Apple only sells one smartphone. The iPhone......
Samsung has more market share percentage wise than Apple does. Thats a given. They make a ton more smartphone models as well. So those combined sales add up to great market share. But that is not what I said. Show me one smartphone in the world by ant vendor that outsells the iPhone. Let's narrow it down to just the iPhone 5s....

^^ why would you do that? That makes no sense. even Gartner and other leading agencies don't look at it like that. In the real world, model vs model games are typically played by those that are losing and typically on forums and message boards.

Ford has some of the best selling truck models, make vs make, but Toyota is kicking their ass still in vehicle sales overall. But hey....on a message board somewhere, I'm sure someone is saying that no one outsells Ford......

in the end, Apple isn't "outselling" anyone. No confusion here. The numbers are pretty clear. What will be interesting is how many net-NEW iP6+ units are sold vs older model iPhones traded in for one.

 

[spinedoc77]

I would tend to agree except the labor and parts come from China who in the end is driving those factories with fossil fuels that don't come from the US or support the Petrodollar but instead support another currency. That lack of support for the US Dollar is the real danger in the grand scheme as if the dollar fails in it's continued dominance, the US Economy will crash. Thus, supporting China even through a US Company isn't in our best interest.

So your point is valid as it keeps the US Dollar in the US, but again, it's more about the dollar outside the US that is the core to our success. That's the whole reason we are in the middle east to begin with. China is closer to Russia on the currency and oil front and that's the real danger to us in terms of what's happening in the world. Eventually the US plan will cut Iran off at the knees as a supplier of S.Korea out but China will likely continue to favor supplies of oil from Russia and that force is the real one to be reckoned with.

Not to mention the taxes they avoid paying in the US.

 

[Shuri]

I thought it was a good video spot. They are out to highlight their product and they did a good job of it.
It is funny how many Samsung haters complained about how unuseable the Note line of phones were supposed to be. Now Apple has a phone that is a little larger and its fine now.....

We (Apple users, wouldn't consider me a Samsung hater ) arent a homogenous mass, you know? I don't like phones that large and I wouldn't buy an iPhone plus (Actually I'm not even sure about the 4.7" one, gonna have to hold one first). Not saying that nobody can like a 5.5" or more phone though.

 

[jamezr]

^^ why would you do that? makes no sense. even Gartner and other leading agencies don't look at it like that. Companies don't play the model vs model game. Now perhaps on message boards.....

in the end, Apple isn't "outselling" anyone.

Because that is what you quoted and reply to me about. Werent you paying attention?
My statement still stands. The iPhone is still the best selling smartphone in the world. You confused that with marketshare somehow......

The chart below shows growth year over from last year. While others are losing marketshare. Apple has GAINED marketshare. Wait until we have sales stats for the IP6.....it will be even more.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Costing the same doesn't always equate to the quality being the same.

Well quality is in the eye of the beholder after all . I find Samsung products to have more value than their Apple counterparts. Yes Apple devices have better build quality but I place more value on what a product can do rather than what it looks like.

 

[Black Magic]

I would tend to agree except the labor and parts come from China who in the end is driving those factories with fossil fuels that don't come from the US or support the Petrodollar but instead support another currency. That lack of support for the US Dollar is the real danger in the grand scheme as if the dollar fails in it's continued dominance, the US Economy will crash. Thus, supporting China even through a US Company isn't in our best interest.

So your point is valid as it keeps the US Dollar in the US, but again, it's more about the dollar outside the US that is the core to our success. That's the whole reason we are in the middle east to begin with. China is closer to Russia on the currency and oil front and that's the real danger to us in terms of what's happening in the world. Eventually the US plan will cut Iran off at the knees as a supplier of S.Korea out but China will likely continue to favor supplies of oil from Russia and that force is the real one to be reckoned with.

True but I'm also factoring in all the jobs Apple created that aren't working directly for them like developers. All the developers in the US and abroad contribute to the economy.

 

[pdqgp]

True but I'm also factoring in all the jobs Apple created that aren't working directly for them like developers. All the developers in the US and abroad contribute to the economy.

^^ again, valid points, but underlying all that labor is the dollar system. China is not our friend when it comes to supporting the US Dollar. Just the same, neither is Korea mind you, but in the end, it's not as solid of a statement to say we're supporting the US and more specifically the US Dollar as a currency when we give business to a nation that isn't supporting the Petrodollar. If the petrodollar system is debunked, China will no longer see value in buying our debt and all those outstanding debts will come crashing back.

True but I'm also factoring in all the jobs Apple created that aren't working directly for them like developers. All the developers in the US and abroad contribute to the economy.

I know...and I'm not totally disagreeing with your point. Just stating that it really depends on where the jobs abroad are created. If they are in nations that don't support the petrodollar system, then they are not truly supporting the US. It does depend on where we outsource to.

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Because that is what you quoted and reply to me about. Werent you paying attention?
My statement still stands. The iPhone is still the best selling smartphone in the world. You confused that with marketshare somehow......

The chart below shows growth year over from last year. While others are losing marketshare. Apple has GAINED marketshare. Wait until we have sales stats for the IP6.....it will be even more.

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I'm paying attention, but you're play on points is funny to watch. Best "selling" as in gains in market share don't make you the market leader. Again, it's not about ground gained, it's about bottom line numbers. By your standards ANYONE who leads in gains of market share on one particular model is then the best selling? Not. Perhaps in your weird way of tracking things, in that particular time frame, but the reality is that's not how the end game is measured. But you know that, thus why you said, just wait until the iP6 numbers are added to that. Good luck with that.

Let's see how many are net-new sales. That's why apple focuses on gains in sales because overall market share still pales in comparison. Gain net-new and they will gain market share and you'll then have an argument.

You either sell the most phones have market share or you don't. You don't get remembered for coming in second but having made the most gains.

Hey everyone, we lost the title & came in second but we did better than last year and made more field goals than the winning team did this year!!! and every kid who plays gets a trophy

Pay attention when the numbers come out comparing the Big 3 Automakers to the Imports. You get kudos for gains but the winner is the one who moves MORE UNITS OVERALL. Period; horse on the side of the road dead.

 

[jamezr]

I'm paying attention, but you're play on points is funny to watch. Best "selling" as in gains in market share don't make you the market leader. Again, it's not about ground gained, it's about bottom line numbers. By your standards ANYONE who leads in gains of market share on one particular model is then the best selling? Not. Perhaps in your weird way of tracking things, in that particular time frame, but the reality is that's not how the end game is measured. But you know that, thus why you said, just wait until the iP6 numbers are added to that. Good luck with that.

Let's see how many are net-new sales. That's why apple focuses on gains in sales because overall market share still pales in comparison. Gain net-new and they will gain market share and you'll then have an argument.

You either sell the most phones have market share or you don't. You don't get remembered for coming in second but having made the most gains.

Hey everyone, we lost the title & came in second but we did better than last year and made more field goals than the winning team did this year!!! and every kid who plays gets a trophy

You still don't see your error....thats ok...I know everyone else does.
My statement still stands.
The iPhone is the best selling smartphone in the world.

Show me one smartphone that outsells it. That was what I said and then you quoted me and went off on total sales by vendors. Not the same thing.
Then if you want to go by bottom line......who makes more money?
Talk about a trophy for second place...... Not even close.....game called by mercy rule.

 

[The Game 161]

With Samsung having so many phones it will obviously be hard to match the iPhone flagship. They have two phones well major ones. So clearly if people are investing in Lower budget Samsung it will affect their flagship sales.

 

[pdqgp]

My statement still stands. The iPhone is the best selling smartphone in the world.

Sure and the facts show they don't lead in Shipment Volumes, the don't lead in market share, the don't even lead in year over year gains percentage wise. But the iPhone is the best selling smartphone in the world. Funny stuff right there. I'm glad you said it, because I couldn't make that stuff up!

Show me one smartphone that outsells it. That was what I said and then you quoted me and went off on total sales by vendors. Not the same thing.

arguing crazy irrelevant stats to make yourself feel better doesn't change the facts as they stand. Feel free to continue celebrating that the The iPhone is the best selling smartphone in the world. Perhaps I can sell you a Ford Truck so you can yell that about it as well. However, know in both cases you get nothing overall for being a winner because they aren't. I bet you believe every car dealer is the number one dealer for their lines too.

Call me when Apple sells more iPhones overall than Samsung sells Smartphones. Call me when their iPhones claim actual marketshare. Until then, go cheering for the football team with the best defense that still can't score enough to win games. But hey....they have the best defense.....

 

[Black Magic]

Well quality is in the eye of the beholder after all . I find Samsung products to have more value than their Apple counterparts. Yes Apple devices have better build quality but I place more value on what a product can do rather than what it looks like.

True, everyone views quality different. I don't see Apple products as just hardware perfection because it's the marriage of software, services, and hardware that make their products so great IMHO. Hardware, software and services by Apple are well thought out and often industry leading. Reselling an iPhone aftermarket also speaks volumes of the quality of the product.

To me, it's an easy choice when deciding where to spend my money.

 

[Qwestionable]

You still don't see your error....thats ok...I know everyone else does.
My statement still stands.
The iPhone is the best selling smartphone in the world.

Show me one smartphone that outsells it. That was what I said and then you quoted me and went off on total sales by vendors. Not the same thing.
Then if you want to go by bottom line......who makes more money?
Talk about a trophy for second place...... Not even close.....game called by mercy rule.

You can spin it however you want, but pdqgp is right. Samsung leads in every category and you are just cherry picking details to make yourself seem right. Apple has been in a free fall for quite a while now, when was the last time they saw growth in the mobile industry? Facts are facts.

 

[jamezr]

You can spin it however you want, but pdqgp is right. Samsung leads in every category and you are just cherry picking details to make yourself seem right. Apple has been in a free fall for quite a while now, when was the last time they saw growth in the mobile industry? Facts are facts.

ah....like now.....

 

[thering1975]

i can see both points here but the iphone is only the biggest selling phone due to lack of choice and only one manufacturer of ios, if lets say there was only the one iphone and one google android phone then the chances are the apple iphone would not be the biggest selling phone, and there would be hysteria ona grander scale on the new android release.

If we take take ios vs android then yes ios has little market share at all.

Any by the way more expensive does not mean high end. The oneplus one has the highest end specs and good materials but is a third of the cost of the equiv iphone 6+

 

[jamezr]

i can see both points here but the iphone is only the biggest selling phone due to lack of choice and only one manufacturer of ios, if lets say there was only the one iphone and one google android phone then the chances are the apple iphone would not be the biggest selling phone, and there would be hysteria ona grander scale on the new android release.

If we take take ios vs android then yes ios has little market share at all.

Any by the way more expensive does not mean high end. The oneplus one has the highest end specs and good materials but is a third of the cost of the equiv iphone 6+

Agreed with this ^^^^^^

 

[Black Magic]

i can see both points here but the iphone is only the biggest selling phone due to lack of choice and only one manufacturer of ios, if lets say there was only the one iphone and one google android phone then the chances are the apple iphone would not be the biggest selling phone, and there would be hysteria ona grander scale on the new android release.

If we take take ios vs android then yes ios has little market share at all.

Any by the way more expensive does not mean high end. The oneplus one has the highest end specs and good materials but is a third of the cost of the equiv iphone 6+

Because you are still focusing on hardware alone. Apple products are about the complete package. Android OS isn't up to the quality of iOS. That by itself should be factored in o pricing. Services as well.