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b33g33

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Jun 1, 2012
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Samsung is so petty.

Apple has plenty of features that Samsung/Google don't mention in that ad, such as iCloud, which is FAR more integrated and reliable than Google.

Plus, "tilt to zoom", are you kidding me?

******** ad, and it shouldn't take a genius to realize that :rolleyes:

Seriously? Do you have any idea how extensive and powerful the Google cloud solutions are?

iCloud is like a bicycle to the Google 911 GT3.

Also, before you call me a Android phanboy, I have an original iPhone, 3Gs, 4s, MacBook Pro (2011), iPod touch as well as Apple stock.

Your statement is as ignorant and misleading as the Samsung ad.

Apple is still playing catch-up when it comes to cloud services. Google and Amazon have a HUGE headstart and even MS is ahead of Apple in some areas (like cloud based Application offerings)
 

jukeboxjoe

macrumors newbie
Dec 14, 2011
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my conspiracy theory

I think Apple published this add. If I was an S3 owner I'd be as embarrassed by it as I am embarrassed by Apple's use of "genius".

Could Samsung give any more attention to a competitor in their own ads?

And "a totally different plug"?! Who wrote this? I'm telling you, it's an Apple insider working at Samsung! (And Samsung has their own insider promoting the word "genius" at Apple).

If you like a bigger phone, get the S3. If you like a phone that fits your hand better, get the iPhone. The bashing (to me) just makes whoever you're bashing look better.

And sorry, but the iPhone, even turned off, looks cooler in the ad.
 

Frobozz

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Jul 24, 2002
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I forgot, when was this a feature bullet-point competition, Sammy? That's right ... it's not. It's about the platform. iOS versus Android. So, to be clear, you should totally go with Sammy if you:

  • Don't mind using Android–*you can't tell the difference, we swear!
  • Like cutting edge features that you can't use with anyone else.
  • Enjoy hand cramps and awkward battles with your pants pocket.
  • Don't really like Apps that much.
  • Are the contrarian in your group of friends.

To be clear, you do not Save money– you can buy an iPhone at every price point from $0 to $400. So what's the point, again?
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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Ehm,you describe all the "benefits" of android versus ios. What is your argument exactly? That you won't buy an ios device because you're a brainwashed android fanboy?? that makes no sense. Why did you even bother to come to this forum?

A lot of you fandroids don't get it. Android is a lost cause because there are no good apps for it. And that is YOUR FAULT! You like talking up your supposedly favorite mobile os but you don't prove it with your wallets!! No money No developers!!

There are plenty of good apps. All the big name devs make apps for both. And I don't have much of a use for small no name devs that make crappy apps.

Devs can really make some cool apps with Android because of its openness. I use an app called "gps essentials" when camping and it's awesome. I also use apps like twonky and double twist to stream content to Apple TV, ps3, Xbox or any sort of dln server. Tasker is a very powerful automation app. None are not available on iOS.

I have found a couple games that aren't in the play store but all the big ones are. But the games it lack it makes up for 10 fold with easy to use emulators for (nes, snes, n64, ps1). In the end I'm not a huge gamer. And with an app like "USB/BT joystick center" you can just play your favorite game controller or use blue tooth and enjoy your games with a real controller.

I'll agree there might not be a direct port of every app but there are similar alternative, some worse and some better.

Point is, the app store has plenty of nice clean polished apps. But to say android doesn't is just incorrect plus for android they can be more powerful and plenty of opportunities for apps that just can't work on iOS due too restrictions. I don't have a single app on my iPhone that's not available for Android except a couple gps apps (there's no competition with google) and a sudoku app that I like the layout of better then anything I can find on android. I have plenty of apps that aren't available for iOS though.

No root using a ps3 controller everything hooked up with cables I had laying around.

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69650

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The shear level of hypocrisy on this forum is staggering. If Apple ran exactly the same ad everyone would be praising them and saying how good the iPhone was because it has so many more features than the S3. Now it's oh well we don't need all those useful features anyway. Just makes me laugh how myopic some people are when it comes to Apple.
 

b33g33

macrumors member
Jun 1, 2012
31
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I forgot, when was this a feature bullet-point competition, Sammy? That's right ... it's not. It's about the platform. iOS versus Android. So, to be clear, you should totally go with Sammy if you:

  • Don't mind using Android–*you can't tell the difference, we swear!
  • Like cutting edge features that you can't use with anyone else.
  • Enjoy hand cramps and awkward battles with your pants pocket.
  • Don't really like Apps that much.
  • Are the contrarian in your group of friends.

To be clear, you do not Save money– you can buy an iPhone at every price point from $0 to $400. So what's the point, again?

Android is getting better according to everyone with each new iteration. If you analyze the statement, you could ask what the benchmark is. What is Android trying to compare itself to?

If you ask someone at Google, they will tell you that it is iOS. Until Jellybean, android was like a shadow-puppet version of iOS. Jerky, prone to all kinds of weird stutters and lag.

This ad was a monumentally stupid decision by Samsung because not only does it provide free publicity to Apple (even with the screen off, the iPhone looks 'classier' to me than the generic Samsung) it also highlights the fact that their 'next best thing' isn't even on the latest version of Android (and may take months to get there.)

Samsung. Hoisted by their own petard.
 

Dwalls90

macrumors 603
Feb 5, 2009
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I am switching because of iCloud. I don't know what services that you are referring to as reliable. But I have had nothing but issues.
And this is coming from a person who has used .Mac/.me/.icloud since 2002.
Has 3 iphones, a couple of itouchs, and lots of ipods. The only thing that seems to work right is iTunes and music in the cloud. The rest of it is pretty much crap. HTML 5 is great but I fee like Apple is abusing it and we have reverted back to 1997 when the web had all kinds of things to make your trasition from paper to the screen more visiually freindly. Someone might want to tell them that it is 2012 and having leather on the screen does not make anything more functional or eligant its just ugly. Just look at the iCloud version of the notes app. There is almost 2" of the list covered with a leather looking corner. And the highighting is with a red circle....... :eek:
I must have gotten lucky the last time around with the mobile me transition because for the most part I had no issues. But when you pay for something for so long and then it just to go away with no real solution like getting your calendars and tasks to show up on your non upgradeable snow leopard. I finally got mail to work, but the amount of searching for the solution was not cool. Why not just release a control panel for the new service. That way even if somethings will not work, at least you would not have to pull your hair out trying to get your email.
And I don't know but this seems to have carried over from mobile me. Duplicate contacts. Especially ones that have not been changed in years. How is it possible to end up with 23 for Apple alone. Anyway, restarting the sync helps for a while and we will see if it holds this time, but it is pretty annoying.
And as for why I would like to use Mail on snow leopard as opposed to the web client, I have been using mail for enough years and have lots of rules. And since icloud the rules doen't sync between clients anymore, and don't show up in the rules on the web interface? Who let this crap go is what I want to know. It might be easier to take if they would show us the road map and at least let us know if some of this is coming back.

As for the phones. I just picked up a Gnex unlocked. So far it's great and everything is working really well. Transition was easier than I though it would be. NFC is pretty cool. Using at the grocery store, and Home Depot to pay. And as a old time palm user, I hope more things get the NFC beam to share function.

So your hiccup with iCloud is more or less that you don't like how it's presented? Fine, we are all entitled to our personal preference over how our technology LOOKS. If you like the design of Android, then EXCELLENT, use Android ... why are you on these forums again? I'm not running around the Android forums talking about how ugly it is.

I have never had any problems with iCloud syncing. Google sync on the other hand, couldn't even keep my contact pictures synced properly. Not to mention it would shrink or delete the contact photos to my Android ICS phone. :rolleyes:

Pretty basic features that Google has issues with, for contacts alone:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3888102?start=0&tstart=0

http://blog.oxplot.com/2012/06/syncing-high-resolution-contact-photos.html

Apple pokes fun at all of it's competition. Not only in the "I'm A Mac" commercials, but also in their keynotes. If you've ever paid attention you'll realise that in EVERY keynote they always put figures up about how Android is down and iOS is up, or how RIM is down and Apple are up etc (and I'll add that sources are strangely missing a lot of the time).

But then when Samsung throws out one ad as seen here, everyone says Samsung are pathetic.

It's disturbing how some people just can't look at things objectively without Apple's influence. But then again I am on Macrumors where I doubt most people can think for themselves without their feelings for Apple getting in the way.

What's happening here is simply Samsung fighting fire with fire. Get over it. It's a phone.

Apple puts out STATISTICS and FACTS. Putting sales out there for the public to see isn't really wrong.

That said, I NEVER commended Apple, or any company, for it's small campaign of petty advertising. It's immature and annoying for everyone involved. However, it should be very clear that Samsung took no initiative to even include Apple's equivalent features, while listing pointless ones of their own (i.e. Tilt to zoom, pinch to zoom, ect.). That just CRIES desperate on Samsung's behalf.

So your only defense is iCloud... really? Come on. Anything else? G-mail is very reliable, thank you very much and does the same things iCloud can do. Except "Find my iPhone" but that's because they don't have iPhones LOL (Oh by the way, I have an iPhone but I'm going to switch to Android)

This Ad literally made my day. I'm sorry to all out there offended but Apple did the exact same thing with the Mac vs Pc Ads they ran a long time ago. Calm your horses y'all.

iCloud syncs contacts way more reliably for me at least (see above for common other problems).

Calendars are the same on both platforms, pretty basic functionality.

Gmail doesn't offer native push email services on OSX and is a PITA to set up on iOS. Please, don't tell me to use my browser, my mail client works perfectly.

Google doesn't seem to offer notes or reminders, at all.

iTunes Match is FAR better, more reliable and seamless than Google Play, hands down. Even Fandroids admit it.

Please, point out an aspect of mobile cloud services, where Google KICKS Apple's ass.

Seriously? Do you have any idea how extensive and powerful the Google cloud solutions are?

iCloud is like a bicycle to the Google 911 GT3.

Also, before you call me a Android phanboy, I have an original iPhone, 3Gs, 4s, MacBook Pro (2011), iPod touch as well as Apple stock.

Your statement is as ignorant and misleading as the Samsung ad.

Apple is still playing catch-up when it comes to cloud services. Google and Amazon have a HUGE headstart and even MS is ahead of Apple in some areas (like cloud based Application offerings)

That's quite an arrogant statement with no proof to back it up.

Like I said above, please explain to me WHICH cloud services of Google's, are so powerful to the typical smartphone user.

I'm trying to use my smartphone for work and personal use, not launch a NASA space ship using cloud services :rolleyes: Point is, at least for OSX and iOS users (this isn't an Android forum), Google's cloud services are sub par to iCloud in every way imaginable.
 

Elit3

macrumors regular
Sep 17, 2012
177
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Ehm,you describe all the "benefits" of android versus ios. What is your argument exactly? That you won't buy an ios device because you're a brainwashed android fanboy?? that makes no sense. Why did you even bother to come to this forum?

A lot of you fandroids don't get it. Android is a lost cause because there are no good apps for it. And that is YOUR FAULT! You like talking up your supposedly favorite mobile os but you don't prove it with your wallets!! No money No developers!!

No, I was stating my opinion of iOS 6/ iPhone 5, and actually i have had an iPod, 2 iPhones, and my whole family a part from me have iPhones.
It is, you, infact that are brainwashed, the android you describe is the android of the past. It has about the same amount of apps as iOS and the amount of paid apps is rising. I would like to show you this mainly ANDROID development forum http://www.xda-developers.com/ it has 4.6 MILLION people with an average of 40k online at once. And came on this forum to see how iOS was doing, general developments, breakthroughs etc.
 

djphat2000

macrumors 65816
Jun 30, 2012
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Granted I see your points however bar codes are probably the weakest form of security.

There is no way to intercept nfc since it range is limited to near contact. Then its just as secure as your credit card, maybe more so since a PIN is required.

Barcode manipulation have been around forever. A simple picture of the person in line using it and now it can be spoofed. HOWEVER I'll reserve my judgment until I use it because I'm sure Apple will make it harder then that to crack.

Nfc is actually wide spread and the tech is getting less expensive. Passbook has no integration anywhere. The video I watched on YouTube of a guy trying to use it at a Hong kong airport and it was a complete failure. While yes it will become more and more popular it just seems there is no infrastructure at all.

Believe it or not, I am actually shocked that scanning a bar code on my phone works at all. I would just think it too reflective to work right. But, for the times I do use it (again rare), its worked for me. It's just one of those techs that right now I don't have much of a need for. I'm going to guess that once its more prevalent in a restaurant type setting. I won't have much of a need for. Especially since you still have to sign, and do another function to keep it secure. I'm sure its useful (both bar code and NFC). Just hasn't hit me yet.
 

Tarzanman

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Jul 16, 2010
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I'm trying to use my smartphone for work and personal use, not launch a NASA space ship using cloud services :rolleyes: Point is, at least for OSX and iOS users (this isn't an Android forum), Google's cloud services are sub par to iCloud in every way imaginable.

LOL, wow are yo clueless or what....

It will probably take about about 3-4 years to catch up to where Google is right now with the cloud.

Instead of talking about things you clearly do not have much experience with, I suggest you actually learn what it is you are talking about. Go ahead and point OSX over to google.com, get an account and start clicking.

Lol. Your statement is just hilarious.
 

b33g33

macrumors member
Jun 1, 2012
31
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The shear level of hypocrisy on this forum is staggering. If Apple ran exactly the same ad everyone would be praising them and saying how good the iPhone was because it has so many more features than the S3. Now it's oh well we don't need all those useful features anyway. Just makes me laugh how myopic some people are when it comes to Apple.

Apple doesn't need to run ads like this anymore. They used to (Mac vs PC) when they were still the underdog. I hated those ads because they were either full of exaggerations or omissions (or both) and seemed to be squarely targeted at the idiots who couldn't program a VCR from 1980.

In retrospect it is is clear that they worked. Combined with their improving products, the ads helped Apple gain market share, crucially among the teen and young adult population who became fans. As Apple continued to innovate and catch-up to the competition (adoption of Unix, iPod, iOS, iDevices ... ) they continued to follow Apple because for the most part the company delivered on it's promise of innovative, easy-to-use, high-quality products and software.

Will the same tactic work for Samsung? Maybe, but I don't think so. I, personally, don't think Samsung is a company that currently has innovative DNA. Like some of the Japanese companies they may evolve into innovators, but at the moment, they are successful because they are very good at copying and improving other products and then leveraging massive economies of scale and production cost advantages to undercut competition.

Please note that I am comparing Apple the company and their products to Samsung the company and their products here. The same argument doesn't apply to iOS vs Android which both have a clear innovation component.
 

sofianito

macrumors 65816
Jan 14, 2011
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Don't forget #9.
Sell less than any phone by Samsung.

#10: Sell IPhone5 at a reasonable price (< $500). In fact, all their hw products are insanely overpriced!

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It is very childish and sad to see both samsung and apple consumers trolling and bashing each others... Both companies and inversors are making a lot of money on our behalf... It is time to wake up and show them who rule the market!. Don't let them rip you off...
 

Dwalls90

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Feb 5, 2009
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LOL, wow are yo clueless or what....

It will probably take about about 3-4 years to catch up to where Google is right now with the cloud.

Instead of talking about things you clearly do not have much experience with, I suggest you actually learn what it is you are talking about. Go ahead and point OSX over to google.com, get an account and start clicking.

Lol. Your statement is just hilarious.

Again, more EMPTY statements. WHICH FEATURES, does Google provide for cloud services that the average user would benefit from on their smartphone?

"OMG, LOL, GOOGLE HAS 3-4 MORE YEARS ON CLOUD SERVICES, THEY ARE SO MUCH MOAR 1337".
 

alexxxhp

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Jul 22, 2009
38
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There are plenty of good apps. All the big name devs make apps for both. And I don't have much of a use for small no name devs that make crappy apps.

Devs can really make some cool apps with Android because of its openness. I use an app called "gps essentials" when camping and it's awesome. I also use apps like twonky and double twist to stream content to Apple TV, ps3, Xbox or any sort of dln server. Tasker is a very powerful automation app. None are not available on iOS.

I have found a couple games that aren't in the play store but all the big ones are. But the games it lack it makes up for 10 fold with easy to use emulators for (nes, snes, n64, ps1). In the end I'm not a huge gamer. And with an app like "USB/BT joystick center" you can just play your favorite game controller or use blue tooth and enjoy your games with a real controller.

I'll agree there might not be a direct port of every app but there are similar alternative, some worse and some better.

Point is, the app store has plenty of nice clean polished apps. But to say android doesn't is just incorrect plus for android they can be more powerful and plenty of opportunities for apps that just can't work on iOS due too restrictions. I don't have a single app on my iPhone that's not available for Android except a couple gps apps (there's no competition with google) and a sudoku app that I like the layout of better then anything I can find on android. I have plenty of apps that aren't available for iOS though.

No root using a ps3 controller everything hooked up with cables I had laying around.

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as developer for multiple platforms iphone/android/xbox/ps/wii/windows/mac/linux ... I have to say Android is the worst. Xcode just works. Android SDK need to go back to the drawing board..... The tools are s!@#@....
 

Rocketman

macrumors 603
It would be phunnie if Apple ran an ad in those papers on the same day, 1/8 page banner, that says simply, we don't complicate the hardware, we simplify the software, every day usage, upgrading, and access to apps, music, video, books and more. Seamlessly use your entire existing collection.

Visit one of our beautiful stores!

Rocketman
 

Tarzanman

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Again, more EMPTY statements. WHICH FEATURES, does Google provide for cloud services that the average user would benefit from on their smartphone?

"OMG, LOL, GOOGLE HAS 3-4 MORE YEARS ON CLOUD SERVICES, THEY ARE SO MUCH MOAR 1337".

I'm not here to do your own research for you.

Here are some areas to get you started
Google Mail hooks into
Google Contacts "..."
Google Plus/Hangouts/youtube
Google Maps/My Maps
Google Music/Books..
etc

I'm not sure how to explain this to you. If I post a youtube video link in a gmail email message or google chat window then it automatically generates a clickable thumbmail

If I put an event in google calendar then it generates clickable links to the location that take me to google maps, and the event shows up on my jelly bean android device

Calling someone on the phone via my gmail interface automatically uses my google voice number to make the call

Photos (automatically uploaded from my android phone) in my Google Picasa gallery are automatically available on my Google Plus profile

Have I mentioned the completely seamless transition between mobile device and desktop google chat? All completely logged and accessible from any web browser, regardless of OS.

There are dozens more examples like this... and I am sure that I myself have only scratched the surface of cloud integration that google offers (I haven't even mentioned google apps or google docs)....

So you can go on thinking that iCloud is equivalent, but you're very, very wrong. Educate yourself, buddy.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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as developer for multiple platforms iphone/android/xbox/ps/wii/windows/mac/linux ... I have to say Android is the worst. Xcode just works. Android SDK need to go back to the drawing board..... The tools are s!@#@....

Well I don't have a comment on how easy or hard it is to make the apps. I only see the end result and they always look similar to me.

I do notice iOS apps are usually bigger in file size then Android apps.

Dead Trigger - iOS 294 / android 151
Speed test - iOS 11.9 / Android 4.08
Temple Run - iOS 34.3 Android 24.71
Dropbox - iOS 24.8 / Android 9.96
Chrome - iOS 39.6 / Android 18.94
Angry Birds Space - iOS 64.4 / Android 27.78

I came from Android but knowing what I know now I wouldn't have got the 16gb iPhone. 32 gb would be my minimum.

Regardless point is as an end user I can't tell the difference between them using them and the only behind the scenes stuff I do notice just shows me iOS apps are bigger (and more expensive).

As a side note dead trigger looks better on my 4S compared to my Xoom. Even with Xoom over-clocked and on the highest graphic quality there is more graphic content on iOS. However I've been told that the graphics are dumbed down for the 3GS too. The Xoom isn't exactly cutting edge anymore. Lol
 

skinnylegs

macrumors 65816
May 8, 2006
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I'm not here to do your own research for you.

Here are some areas to get you started
Google Mail hooks into
Google Contacts "..."
Google Plus/Hangouts/youtube
Google Maps/My Maps
Google Music/Books..
etc

I'm not sure how to explain this to you. If I post a youtube video link in a gmail email message or google chat window then it automatically generates a clickable thumbmail

If I put an event in google calendar then it generates clickable links to the location that take me to google maps, and the event shows up on my jelly bean android device

Calling someone on the phone via my gmail interface automatically uses my google voice number to make the call

Photos (automatically uploaded from my android phone) in my Google Picasa gallery are automatically available on my Google Plus profile

Have I mentioned the completely seamless transition between mobile device and desktop google chat? All completely logged and accessible from any web browser, regardless of OS.

There are dozens more examples like this... and I am sure that I myself have only scratched the surface of cloud integration that google offers (I haven't even mentioned google apps or google docs)....

So you can go on thinking that iCloud is equivalent, but you're very, very wrong. Educate yourself, buddy.
Everything you say is correct but none of the services you listed are apps. They are web-based services. So....if you happen to not have internet connectivity, I'm pretty sure you won't be able to access, for instance, your Calendar. I don't use Google services so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I understand that this is not a make-or-break deal for most people but there *is* a difference between accessing web-based services and having apps. sync via the cloud. No?

BTW, I'm not 'dissin on Google. Each to their own. .....and if I'm not mistaken, Google offered Google Calendar before iCloud was created?
 

JGIGS

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CANADA!
Well in this case I have to disagree.

If they did this with a lesser recognized windows 8 phone then I would totally agree but if you are a smartphone user and or in the market for a high end smartphone like the SG3 you know iphone 5 is being released.

They are using a bit of humour as well with "it doesn't take a genius". I'm a mac and iphone guy but not a crazed fanboy of any brand. I like to look at all gadgets and tech objectively. That being said I've had all iphones since the original but I just bought an SG3 and going to give it a try since I got it for about the same price on ebay, off contract, as it would cost me to upgrade to a 32G iphone 5 with an early upgrade fee.

Obviously there are pros and cons to both especially for us in the apple ecosystem (I already know I'm going to miss some iCloud features mostly music pushing and iMessage) and ease of use.

However, ios is getting stale and seems to continue to slip behind in features (which apple seems to do on purpose so they have something to add to a phone next year cough NFC cough!)

Anyway I think I went way off topic but I think it made sense for Samsung to show how their product is better and get people debating wether or not to give the SG3 a try.

It helped enlighten me. Not so much spec wise as ios is more effecient and needs less hardware resources but feature wise.

At the end of the day its a high class problem to have such great phones with great os's. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the big 3 other then windows seems to have a little less support from apps at the moment.

It's just about preference and what works best for you. Competition is good makes them all strive to make better products for us consumers.

However, I do find apple takes brand loyalty for granted now and holds back features for future product releases. Not to mention not including 1 adaptor as people transisition from a new cable form and then charging $29 for them?

Bad apple!

Sry for the rant.


It just goes to show that Samsung is a lot more worried about the iPhone 5 than they are letting on. Comparative advertising is less effective since by definition it draws attention to the competition. Apple's "I'm a Mac" campaign was a little bit different since it was humorous and never actually went into a spec by spec comparison.
 

512ke

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Is it just me, or does the dandelion on the Samsung make it slightly look like its screen is cracked?
 

kiltedthrower

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Aug 24, 2012
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I can't believe I kept reading this thread. Best and better are really subjective since the best phone, in my opinion, is the one I prefer to use. I enjoy my Note; I use the stylus nearly every day and so I think my phone is better than other phones. I like widgets and want a phone capable of displaying widgets, so the phone that can do widgets is a better phone for me. I wouldn't buy a phone that can't have a screen dedicated to full calendar View. I don't want to click an icon to bring up the calendar, I want it already there and open.

My dad wants a phone he can make calls, occasionally text, and sometimes check Facebook. He likes the iPhone and for him, his phone is better than mine.

But I am not my phone. I have no brand loyalty. I don't get embarrassed because Samsung put out an ad claiming it was better than another company. I guess I don't understand assigning an emotion to ads from product companies.
 
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