Share Your Bokeh Shots

[ohms12]

You can, and you're exactly right. Subject close, background far away is always going to produce an out of focus background. That's just basic optics 101.

I don't think any of the posted shots look remarkable in any way.
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I would spend less time buying "fast Zeiss glass", more time not placing the subject with a pan growing out of his head.

A close subject at f22 would produce the same result, would it? Out of focus background is achieved by either a wide open aperture or compressing the background using a longer focal length. Basic optics 101..

And yes, the snap shot I took on my phone was not something I'd provide a client, nor something I would submit to critique. The fact you pointed something so frivolous out over what is literally a snapshot to demonstrate the function of the phone is pathetic. Hope it made you feel like a big man, behind your keyboard.

 

[Sweeperdk]

This is the first and only shot testing the portrait mode. Quick bw conversion and crop.

Quite happy with it, will definitely replace my pointnshoot

 

[Nevaborn]

Agree, my 6S Plus is very capable and could pass I feel for having the Bokeh effect. Sadly some of the good ones were too large to upload =(

Weird you could do this with a 6 by just focusing on the nearest object.

I guess the effect is more pronounced with the 7.

 

[matrix07]

The background is like 10ft away in your photo, in most of the others it's like 100 yards plus.

You missed an entire point of this thread.

(If I'm being an armchair critic like you I will say a fan of Grand Budapest Hotel should have been more thoughtful than this)

 

[thadoggfather]

drinks are fun to photograph even though not particularly exciting

 

[TheBacklash]

Anyone with both a 7 Plus with the 10.1 Beta, and a 6s? (or access to)
Take a Bokeh picture on the 7 of something, with the 6S taking the same pic focused in like people are saying.
post them side by side so others can see the difference.

Random pics of different things by different people in different situations will not prove any point.

 

[matrix07]

Armchair critic will say this photo isn't remarkable at all but I'm very impressed. Keep photos coming.
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Anyone with both a 7 Plus with the 10.1 Beta, and a 6s? (or access to)
Take a Bokeh picture on the 7 of something, with the 6S taking the same pic focused in like people are saying.
post them side by side so others can see the difference.

Random pics of different things by different people in different situations will not prove any point.

When you take blur background shot the camera is also saving your original one too, no need for 6s (since it's a different camera and lens).
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And yes, the snap shot I took on my phone was not something I'd provide a client, nor something I would submit to critique. The fact you pointed something so frivolous out over what is literally a snapshot to demonstrate the function of the phone is pathetic. Hope it made you feel like a big man, behind your keyboard.

Indeed, he's talking like every pictures here are intended for National Geographic.

 

[TheBacklash]

What i was saying, there are people saying the 6S *can* do Bokeh shots as good at the 7 can. So put them side by side and prove it.

 

[M. Gustave]

You missed an entire point of this thread.

The title says the point of this thread is to 'share your bokeh shots'. I haven't seen a single bokeh example yet, have you?

"Bokeh" is the character of out of focus highlights, not the amount of blur. Good bokeh shows out of focus specular highlights as perfect spheres with smooth blur inside them (no rolled edges).

 

[matrix07]

The title says the point of this thread is to 'share your bokeh shots'. I haven't seen a single bokeh example yet, have you?

"Bokeh" is the character of out of focus highlights, not the amount of blur. Good bokeh shows out of focus specular highlights as perfect spheres with smooth blur inside them (no rolled edges).

You're just being literal and anal. Not sure why these photos hurt your feeling.

 

[arctyler]

Haven't really took too many just yet. Just tried playing around with them and this is what I've got so far. I think for a smartphone it comes out excellent, so I can't complain.

 

[Eckscaliber]

I took this picture with my iPhone 6 when I first got it, 2 years ago.

 

[alleggerita]

I took this picture with my iPhone 6 when I first got it, 2 years ago.

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This is definitely achievable with smartphone cameras since a long long time ago. Because you're basically shoving the subject very near to the lens (or vice versa), thus increasing the distance between your subject and the background and surely there'll be background blur.

The depth effect of the 7 Plus requires the 56mm as the main shooter, so you can't go as close to the subject. That's difference number 1. And secondly, the Portrait mode theoretically needs to recognise a face and a body to be able to splice the scene up nicely into 9 layers for the ISP to selectively blur the background in different intensities. So...can't really compare the bokeh on the 6s and 7 Plus because it isn't really the same thing.

 

[ddkkpp]

You're just being literal and anal. Not sure why these photos hurt your feeling.

He's right, it's not bokeh. It's a shallow DOF.

They don't hurt feelings; it's just people who know about photography are less excited about this than those who don't. Obviously.

Give it a year. Or two. What I'm seeing in this thread is a great start, with lots of potential, but I wouldn't be super happy with the soft outlines, choppy artifacts, and little errors im seeing in almost every pic.

In 2 years, when it comes to the 2018 regular-sized iPhone, it'll be amazing.

 

[alleggerita]

Anyone with both a 7 Plus with the 10.1 Beta, and a 6s? (or access to)
Take a Bokeh picture on the 7 of something, with the 6S taking the same pic focused in like people are saying.
post them side by side so others can see the difference.

Random pics of different things by different people in different situations will not prove any point.

Alright since you asked and I haven't sold off my 6s Plus. I even throw in my EOS M mirrorless with DX sensor for better comparison.

This is 6s Plus, since its lens is 28mm, I moved in nearer to the subject to simulate roughly the same focal length as the 56mm on the 7 Plus:

This is the 7 Plus with depth effect:

And finally my EOS M, at 55mm (closest to the 7 Plus's 56mm) f/5.6:

So you can clearly see even for a subject that's about 5-6" tall the 6s Plus wasn't able to conjure up nice background blur. The people here with shots from the 6/6s with amazing blur is either focusing on really small subjects like flowers or the background is really really far away.

So it goes to show the depth effect on the 7 Plus isn't just a gimmick. Hope this helps.
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He's right, it's not bokeh. It's a shallow DOF.

They don't hurt feelings; it's just people who know about photography are less excited about this than those who don't. Obviously.

Give it a year. Or two. What I'm seeing in this thread is a great start, with lots of potential, but I wouldn't be super happy with the soft outlines, choppy artifacts, and little errors im seeing in almost every pic.

In 2 years, when it comes to the 2018 regular-sized iPhone, it'll be amazing.

Bokeh can be defined as the visual quality of the blur of the background behind the subject. Quality of a blur is extremely subjective. So I wouldn't say the blur coming from the 7 Plus isn't bokeh. All you can say is it's simulated and not as good as optically generated bokeh from a good camera.

And I can see you belong to that camp too, which expects to see dSLR style bokeh before you'll consider it impressive and at the same time forgetting about the fact that this is just Beta 1 and targetted at general consumers not pro/amateur photographers.

And btw I do know a thing or two about photography. For me I still find this feature mighty exciting seeing what it can do and it's only Beta 1. And trust me, most consumers wouldn't be able to tell it's simulated and not from a PnS/dSLR

 

[matrix07]

He's right, it's not bokeh. It's a shallow DOF.

Didn't say he's wrong. Said he's literal. Too wrapped up in the word.

 

[ddkkpp]

Bokeh can be defined as the visual quality of the blur of the background behind the subject. Quality of a blur is extremely subjective. So I wouldn't say the blur coming from the 7 Plus isn't bokeh. All you can say is it's simulated and not as good as optically generated bokeh from a good camera.

And I can see you belong to that camp too, which expects to see dSLR style bokeh before you'll consider it impressive and at the same time forgetting about the fact that this is just Beta 1
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"Bokeh can be defined" is changing / stretching the definition for the sake of praising this camera. It's a shallow depth of field; not bokeh. But don't worry about it, they'll get it right eventually. And then we can crow about "real bokeh" when they do that.

I don't expect anything from a beta to be polished/"dslr quality". I'm just saying, the effect isn't that great, it's not really useable, and an obvious work-in-progress.

It will definitely get better! Apple is very good at refining and improving. Can't wait to see next years version!

 

[bhuvanchowdhary]

Alright since you asked and I haven't sold off my 6s Plus. I even throw in my EOS M mirrorless with DX sensor for better comparison.

This is 6s Plus, since its lens is 28mm, I moved in nearer to the subject to simulate roughly the same focal length as the 56mm on the 7 Plus:

This is the 7 Plus with depth effect:

And finally my EOS M, at 55mm (closest to the 7 Plus's 56mm) f/5.6:

So you can clearly see even for a subject that's about 5-6" tall the 6s Plus wasn't able to conjure up nice background blur. The people here with shots from the 6/6s with amazing blur is either focusing on really small subjects like flowers or the background is really really far away.

So it goes to show the depth effect on the 7 Plus isn't just a gimmick. Hope this helps.
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Bokeh can be defined as the visual quality of the blur of the background behind the subject. Quality of a blur is extremely subjective. So I wouldn't say the blur coming from the 7 Plus isn't bokeh. All you can say is it's simulated and not as good as optically generated bokeh from a good camera.

And I can see you belong to that camp too, which expects to see dSLR style bokeh before you'll consider it impressive and at the same time forgetting about the fact that this is just Beta 1 and targetted at general consumers not pro/amateur photographers.

And btw I do know a thing or two about photography. For me I still find this feature mighty exciting seeing what it can do and it's only Beta 1. And trust me, most consumers wouldn't be able to tell it's simulated and not from a PnS/dSLR

Infact I see the portrait mode 7+ is better lit too.

 

[alleggerita]

Bokeh can be defined as the visual quality of the blur of the background behind the subject. Quality of a blur is extremely subjective. So I wouldn't say the blur coming from the 7 Plus isn't bokeh. All you can say is it's simulated and not as good as optically generated bokeh from a good camera.

And I can see you belong to that camp too, which expects to see dSLR style bokeh before you'll consider it impressive and at the same time forgetting about the fact that this is just Beta 1
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"Bokeh can be defined" is changing / stretching the definition for the sake of praising this camera. It's a shallow depth of field; not bokeh. But don't worry about it, they'll get it right eventually. And then we can crow about "real bokeh" when they do that.

I don't expect anything from a beta to be polished/"dslr quality". I'm just saying, the effect isn't that great, it's not really useable, and an obvious work-in-progress.

It will definitely get better! Apple is very good at refining and improving. Can't wait to see next years version!

Then how would you define bokeh then? Just curious.

But otherwise I agree, there's at least another 4-5 betas to go. I'm sure we will see improvements along the way.
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Infact I see the portrait mode 7+ is better lit too.

I think it's down to how close was I to the subject while shooting on my 6s Plus. I had to move in closer to simulate the same focal length. Hence, my body waa starting to block a bit of the sunlight

 

[ddkkpp]

Didn't say he's wrong. Said he's literal. Too wrapped up in the word.

I dunno, a word is a word. In photography, a certain effect carries a certain name for a reason. Call it what it is: shallow depth of field. For now.

Maybe it'll simulate bokeh better if you put some round shaped lights behind the subject...! Did you see the examples at the keynote? 2 out of 3 had points of light in the distance....

 

[alleggerita]

I dunno, a word is a word. In photography, a certain effect carries a certain name for a reason. Call it what it is: shallow depth of field. For now.

Maybe it'll simulate bokeh better if you put some round shaped lights behind the subject...! Did you see the examples at the keynote? 2 out of 3 had points of light in the distance....

haven't got a chance to try that. Maybe tonight

 

[ddkkpp]

Then how would you define bokeh then? Just curious.

When the light leaking through points in the blurred background create new shapes/curves not visible to the human eye. Like those coloured spots on Apple's invitation. Which is usually created by reflections/sun bursts/etc. Not a wall of Christmas lights. (Those two demo pics in the keynote told me all I needed to know about this effect).

 

[eyeseeyou]

Looked up the hashtag portraitmode in Instagram and I have to say that there is a lot of good pics being taken.

 

[Pug72]

A low light pic of my little dog.

 

[matrix07]

I dunno, a word is a word. In photography, a certain effect carries a certain name for a reason. Call it what it is: shallow depth of field. For now.

True. But this thread is for showing photo, not academic. I don't even attempt to discuss anything, just enjoy photos people posted.
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Maybe it'll simulate bokeh better if you put some round shaped lights behind the subject...! Did you see the examples at the keynote? 2 out of 3 had points of light in the distance....

Thinks it's just a version 1. Bokeh will come, in time. Somebody already created filters simulate that convincingly so it's feasible. Right now I'm just amazed that the Depth map working rather well, and think that's what Apple mainly concentrates on in this beta. Get the Depth map and the masking right, anything will be possible.