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Night Spring

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Can anyone tell me if Apple has a return period for apps? Seems unfair if some apps don't have a free or lite version, then you pay and don't like the app, you're stuck with it.

I remember that from iTunes on a computer, there was a way to report a problem with the app, and people have sometimes been able to use that function to get a refund, usually by claiming that they purchased the app by mistake. Sorry, I don't remember the exact steps to get to that function, and I don't know if there's a way to do it directly from iPad.
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I see you're talking about 9.7 Pro. I thought you had 12.9. If I'm right, may I ask the reason of your change? Because you were suggesting me to get 12.9. Thanks!

I think that remark may have been directed at someone who has a 9.7? I tried to backtrack, but couldn't tell for sure.
 

FairyCatInPink

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Nov 23, 2015
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I see you're talking about 9.7 Pro. I thought you had 12.9. If I'm right, may I ask the reason of your change? Because you were suggesting me to get 12.9. Thanks!

No, I have 12.9" and not going to change to 9.7" ever, loving that size :)
For sure there are people who loves and fits with 9.7" better depends on their purpose to use it. For me, just because of my main purpose of having iPad Pro is using it as my mobile digital sketch book, 9.7" not give me enough space to work comfortably(too small working space for drawing) and yet not great mobile size either compare to mini(and I have mini 4).

I have Paintstorm on my 12.9", and still feel like that app's working space is kinda limited. And that made me think it must be really short space if people use that app on 9.7" iPad Pro.
Sorry for confusion! And I still recommend 12.9" if your main purpose to get iPad Pro is drawing on it!
 
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Claudia P

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Apr 22, 2016
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I actually bought the Paintstorm app after seeing some of the work and recommendations. The UI is so small because of looking like the desktop version. I know the menus can be made larger by clicking on them, but really clutters up the work area as someone else said. I'm not sure if it's me, but when using the tools, like brushes, it's really pixelated. Not at all as clear as Procreate. Seems like it can do a lot, but not finding it something I really like right now. Maybe I need to play with it more.

Another thing, I should have tried the light version before purchasing it, but made that mistake and hope not to do it again. Can anyone tell me if Apple has a return period for apps? Seems unfair if some apps don't have a free or lite version, then you pay and don't like the app, you're stuck with it.

On android you get 15 minutes I believe to try an app, if you don't like it, you uninstall it and don't lose your money. I would hope Apple would have the same thing, but doesn't seem like it.
I don't think it would be a viable alternative on anything smaller than the 12.9, but have you tried the other workspaces? there are a number of different workspaces you can try, and you can customize any of them to find the layout that works best for you.
I haven't had any of the pixelation you talk about, but I don't use their brushes without tweaking the settings, the brushes I use are all custom, the controls take some time to figure out but once you do they are great.
Panels can be closed and accessed as needed and the keyboard shortcuts are very handy, but again take some work to figure out. The little round buttons on the left side are keyboard shortcuts and you can add many and resize and move them to a comfortable spot. That takes some playing with as it takes some coordination to do, one finger on the button and one finger on the workspace, moving them together to both move and resize, but once you get the hang of that and get used to using them they are great. I press the button with the index finger of my left hand and the workspace with the index finger of my right hand and hold, slide both fingers together to move and the finger on the workspace only to resize.
It's tricky but it works with practice.

You can set the panels so that they are small or minimized, and with a tap bring them up to make your changes.

It isn't perfect but gets better with each update and offers brush settings that work similarly to those in Corel Painter, you can bring in your favorite brush dabs and change settings to make them quite similar so many of your favorite brushes in Photoshop. It takes a lot of time and learning but it's worth it in the end. :)

Learning the brush settings takes some time, but you can set so many different things and fine tune them, even using the tilt feature which enables you to make wonderful pencil and chalk brushes. I hope Apple incorporates rotation in the future as I have used that on the desktop version with my Wacom Art Pen.

I admit I took part in a workshop to learn all of these things, and I'm not sure if I would have figured them all out on my own but the deeper you go into the settings the better it gets. :)
 
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Andy847

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Mar 17, 2016
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Chicago Suburb
Finally, I finished my first full fledged drawing on my IPP. This darn thing took me two months to finish. Started strong and then kind of lost interest, because of all the details in it. Been working here and there on it, until a few days ago I just decided to get it done. I'm happy with it. It was a good way to learn different things in procreate.

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mixel

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Jan 12, 2006
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I don't think it would be a viable alternative on anything smaller than the 12.9, but have you tried the other workspaces? there are a number of different workspaces you can try, and you can customize any of them to find the layout that works best for you.
I haven't had any of the pixelation you talk about, but I don't use their brushes without tweaking the settings, the brushes I use are all custom, the controls take some time to figure out but once you do they are great.
Panels can be closed and accessed as needed and the keyboard shortcuts are very handy, but again take some work to figure out. The little round buttons on the left side are keyboard shortcuts and you can add many and resize and move them to a comfortable spot. That takes some playing with as it takes some coordination to do, one finger on the button and one finger on the workspace, moving them together to both move and resize, but once you get the hang of that and get used to using them they are great. I press the button with the index finger of my left hand and the workspace with the index finger of my right hand and hold, slide both fingers together to move and the finger on the workspace only to resize.
It's tricky but it works with practice.

You can set the panels so that they are small or minimized, and with a tap bring them up to make your changes.

It isn't perfect but gets better with each update and offers brush settings that work similarly to those in Corel Painter, you can bring in your favorite brush dabs and change settings to make them quite similar so many of your favorite brushes in Photoshop. It takes a lot of time and learning but it's worth it in the end. :)

Learning the brush settings takes some time, but you can set so many different things and fine tune them, even using the tilt feature which enables you to make wonderful pencil and chalk brushes. I hope Apple incorporates rotation in the future as I have used that on the desktop version with my Wacom Art Pen.

I admit I took part in a workshop to learn all of these things, and I'm not sure if I would have figured them all out on my own but the deeper you go into the settings the better it gets. :)
I really like it on the 9.7.. its intense but enjoyably configurable. I like setting things to be tiny.. The pencil is so precise it's viable to have tons of teenie tiny GUI elements. :D
 

richpjr

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May 9, 2006
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There some very talented artists posting in here. I used to love to draw many years ago when I was in high school and college and really haven't done much since. My 12.9 iPP arrives tomorrow along with an Apple pencil and I am inspired to get back into it.
 

Andy847

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Mar 17, 2016
162
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Chicago Suburb

Very nice as usual. I just wanted to say it's amazing how fast you put out all these drawings. I wish I had your speed. I like looking at how you go about it. I've been watching some youtube videos to get better at the digital drawing and find faster ways to do it. I actually subscribe to this english guy's channel on Youtube. His channel is Drawing with Jazza, and getting a lot of good tips watching his videos. I enjoy watching them too. Keep up the nice work FairyCatinPink!
 
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spesifikbrush

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Nov 12, 2015
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No, I have 12.9" and not going to change to 9.7" ever, loving that size :)
For sure there are people who loves and fits with 9.7" better depends on their purpose to use it. For me, just because of my main purpose of having iPad Pro is using it as my mobile digital sketch book, 9.7" not give me enough space to work comfortably(too small working space for drawing) and yet not great mobile size either compare to mini(and I have mini 4).

I have Paintstorm on my 12.9", and still feel like that app's working space is kinda limited. And that made me think it must be really short space if people use that app on 9.7" iPad Pro.
Sorry for confusion! And I still recommend 12.9" if your main purpose to get iPad Pro is drawing on it!
I just visited an Apple Store and tried out the 9.7 Pro. I must say it, I liked it more than the 12.9. It suddenly looked so big to me, whereas the 9.7 is so portable and comfortable enough for me to draw. It seems I'm gonna go with the 9.7.
 

FairyCatInPink

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Nov 23, 2015
276
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San Francisco, CA
Very nice as usual. I just wanted to say it's amazing how fast you put out all these drawings. I wish I had your speed. I like looking at how you go about it. I've been watching some youtube videos to get better at the digital drawing and find faster ways to do it. I actually subscribe to this english guy's channel on Youtube. His channel is Drawing with Jazza, and getting a lot of good tips watching his videos. I enjoy watching them too. Keep up the nice work FairyCatinPink!

Thanks for the info!
I'll check the guy on YouTube :)
 

DaniJoy

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Nov 19, 2015
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I hope Apple incorporates rotation in the future as I have used that on the desktop version with my Wacom Art Pen.


i agree, rotation is such a nice feature to have. its my main reason i dont use my ipad pro much these days. i just make paintings so much faster and i think they look better with wacom , photoshop/corel, and the art pen.

oh this post also made my day, i have Paintstorm studio on my cintiq companion 2. i really liked it, but it had some stability issues last time i tried it a year ago. i see its been updated ill give it a try again- it seems to be much more stable now. i was really impressed by the brush engine, with tilt and rotation you could make some really interesting marks. Plus it has GPU accelerated features. this software is very good at making natural media looking marks.

i just gave the ipad version a try. its pretty impressive. its great how the UI scales up, its so easy to hide and customize. it really feels like desktop software on the ipad! i never liked the procreate UI that much. everything is so hidden and gesture based. good for noob's but not those who are used to powerful software. Plus, procreate brush engine makes everyone's art look generic. i like Paintstorm allot more than procreate right now. its so nice to see desktop class software finally making it to the ipad. it lags a lot on the ipad if i push the brush size too big on A4 with 300DPI, but no reason to do that on a ipad any way. ill save the faster tablets for that! im going to play more with Paintstorm, i think it has allot of potential and having the ability to run the same software on a mobile tablet like the ipad pro and a more serious workstation at the studio is really nice. as a photoshop/corel user i was able to jump right in and make custom brushes, and understand all they dynamics.
 

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Oct 11, 2015
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I can't contribute, I'm a photographer, not a painter/sketches/ etc. but I'm trying to learn to draw and I thought the pro would be a nice way go go...I know it's not typically recommended to learn digitally but what the heck, seems like procreate is a fairly good tool for what I need, ultimately I'll wind up digitally anyway. I just wish I had a Mac desktop to use the Astropad program, or Windows had a similar.. Anyway I wanted to say thanks for everyone sharing.. Some good stuff here, showing me I have a long way to go but also that everyone should try - and practice -etc. so thanks for the thread.

I need to find a pro photography thread or start one,
In case you don't know, there's an active photography sub-forum at MR which includes a friendly photo of the week contest, photo of the day, pro and amateur threads, etc...
https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/digital-photography.83/?order=post_date
 

Tysonselectah

macrumors newbie
Mar 6, 2014
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I just can't seem to "get" Paper by 53. I've tried the app 6 times and I just don't get the appeal. I need to give it another go .

I see it more as a sketching tool rather than a 'pro drawing app'. Definately misses layers, etc but I like the simplicity of it and the way your ideas are getting organized in lil' Moleskin-like blackbooks :)
 
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FairyCatInPink

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Nov 23, 2015
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San Francisco, CA
I just can't seem to "get" Paper by 53. I've tried the app 6 times and I just don't get the appeal. I need to give it another go .

Somehow I didn't like that App too, I understand it's one of "good" drawing Apps people recommend though.
There are lot of drawing/painting Apps out, and I think you just try and find out which one(or two/three) you like to use and you're comfortable to work on.
In my case, it was Procreate.
I use Auryn Ink too, but it's not quite comfortable to work on like I do on procreate, Paintstorm is another good Apps, but not for me, so as Adobe draw.
You will eventually find the one you can work most comfortably.
 
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