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Should I leave apple ecosystem in light of CSAM?
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If you had read Apple's writeup about it, you'd know:
Let's praise Facebook together.
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I would be more impressed with your posts if your responses were not so paradigmed. Try looking beyond your current mindset. Look with an open mind. You need to look beyond your assumptions. Or at least should. Look at this from a risk analysis side. Doing that it quickly becomes apparent there are large gaps in what has been presented by Apple.
Unfortunately your posts run the option of either agreeing with you or getting lumped in with everyone else.
Wow.
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As a professor of mine used to say: "Don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out."
My "assumptions" are merely that Apple is telling the truth about how the CSAM detection process works. And unless you have hard evidence that suggests otherwise, that's the most reasonable position to take. I don't see any "large gaps" in what they've presented. It all seems very straightforward once you read over everything.
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I don't understand why people are so against scanning the cloud. What do they have to hide? Worried that Apple might find existing CSAM in iCloud?
Difference is, Apple created this system, so they’re literally the only ones that can tell us exactly how it works. We HAVE to believe them because that’s the only evidence we have at the moment. Who else knows their software better than them especially since it’s not even implemented yet?
Conspiracy theories seem justified in this case.
Federighi says Apple has a "serious CSAM problem", but their "solution" ignores existing CSAM in iCloud Photos, and people who continue to use iOS 14 or Big Sur get a free pass to store CSAM there.
To a normal person, that doesn't make sense.
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But no one other than apple start using the scanning on devices nd it is not only csam (knowing hashes) what they are going to do…
Actually, what doesn't make sense here is your logic. Whether this were a conspiracy OR a legitimate/honest effort to combat CSAM (obviously I believe it's the latter), wouldn't they want to have this process running on as many devices as possible in either case?
I'm sure they'll eventually roll out this technology to macOS as well. Just because they're taking things one step at a time doesn't mean there's a conspiracy or anything else.
There is no justification for conspiracy theories here - the only justification of one would be if there's actual evidence of one, which there isn't.
Did you not use the reply button in hopes I wouldn't see and reply to this post or something? Odd. In any case, all your smarmy posts using all the buzz words ("big tech" etc.) designed to get people thinking emotionally instead of rationally aren't a substitute for actual evidence that Apple is being dishonest here. When all you have to offer is mocking sarcasm, you're revealing you have no rational argument and are compensating for that (poorly).
If you want to attack my logic, show me where I'm wrong.
What does this proposed solution do against existing CSAM or uploads from iOS 14/Big Sur? How does it make the CSAM problem less serious?
I did. I guess I'll repeat it:
So your argument that it seems like a conspiracy because they are LIMITING the devices the CSAM detection runs on (at first, at least) doesn't make any sense.
Again, like I said, I'm sure they are planning on rolling this out to macOS as well. In the meantime, every bit helps. You do realize there are TONS of people who own iPhones that don't own Macs, right? They may even roll it out retroactively to iOS 14, but they may not think it's worth it based on relatively low numbers of people who won't upgrade or stick with iOS 14 for long. I don't know what those numbers are, but I'm guessing most people upgrade.
I feel like you didn't even read my reply in full - just saw the first sentence, got offended, and then reacted.
No, you didn't
It's you who doesn't make sense. Apple says they have a serious CSAM problem. To make the problem less serious, they have to reduce the amount of CSAM on their servers. They don't do that by ignoring CSAM that's already there and giving people who remain on iOS 14&Big Sur a free pass to upload new CSAM.
You obviously haven't read Apple statement. They've already said on-device scanning would be rolled out to Monterey. (https://www.apple.com/child-safety/)
It's a drop in the bucket. Their proposal doesn't do anything to reduce the existing problem.
What does this have to do with what I said?
Apple hasn't announced that, so that's pure speculation.
Why would people who collect CSAM upgrade to the new operating systems?? You think they don't watch tv or read newspapers? Apple will continue to provide security updates for iOS 14 & Big Sur the coming years.
Very funny. Stop speculating and explain me how Apple's proposal would've reduced the current serious problem.
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it could be the optics of Apple unlocking your encrypted data to to the scanning process. I don't think Apple is worried, and I'm certainly not worried. Apple isn't worried because they know they have a problem with CSAM in iclould. This is a baby step that starts by chipping away at it.
Apple will progress as planned at some point, a few users will have tantrums and leave but billions will stay and get on with it, once the new iPhone is out the new screen issues, mark issues, headaches etc will overtake these posts and life will continue shortly after that. For me it’s just BAU.
Ahhh….
I forgot lying by omission is telling the truth so Apple must be telling the truth.
Good call.
Just saying "no, you didn't" without explaining how doesn't count. Sorry.
You're focusing on what they have left to do and ignoring what they ARE (at THIS time) doing. It's like someone's cleaning up a warehouse and working on one area, and you come in, point to all the other areas, and say, "You don't clean up a warehouse by ignoring all these areas!" smh...
So I'm right. Thanks for confirming? 🤷♂️
I think tons of people will be using iOS15 and Monterrey. Hardly a "drop"
You asked how does this prevent CSAM uploads from Big Sur, and I'm simply pointing out that there are tons of iPhone users who don't use Macs, and thus won't be able to use Big Sur to upload illegal photos.
That's why I used the word "may"
If I were them, I would be very nervous about attempting to do that in light of the direction Apple is taking. Plus, Apple already has the legal right to look at people's files on iCloud if they suspect their TOS is being violated or if law enforcement gets a court order for it.
Your reply gave no indication that you read my initial post beyond the part that "attacked" your logic.
So basically, just because Apple isn't taking a nuclear approach and instead is rolling out the technology in stages. you assume there's a conspiracy. That is a completely irrational assumption. Like I said, if they were doing this to "spy" on people, why would they not implement the technology for all devices right out the gate? You still haven't addressed that after two replies. The reason they're doing this in stages is most likely to be sure they get it right and iOS 15 is the "testing ground" to be sure it's working as intended before they spend more time and resources to deploy it further.
It is amazing the lengths some here will go to rationalize their defense of Apple’s behavior.