Then Among Us is PC/Console game. How is it different? You see, there are quite a lot of mobile game being available on PC and console. Being on PC/Console does NOT conclude it's mobile or PC/Console games.
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So did Apple give up on gaming?
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I mean, did you even open the link? The numbers were for gaming computers only. No business/school/casual computers.
Synthetic benchmarks convincingly show the gaming potential of Apple Silicon. It will still obviously take a while until the gaming situation improves. The problem right now is that devs have to support both the Intel Macs and the Apple Silicon Macs, which spreads the already tight Mac support budget even thinner. And supporting Intel Macs is a mess as you have to deal with a much larger variety of hardware and driver bugs. Couple of years from now, when Intel Mac support is no longer necessary, making games for Mac will be both cheaper and more lucrative.
I haven't got a clue what your point may be and I have a sneaking suspicion that you don't either. Super cringey.
Then stop being so focused with PC gaming. There is more to life than PC gaming
Apple is a for profit business. They go to markets that they know they can get a good return.
Apple is reportedly on top when it comes to video game revenue, despite not developing consoles or major AAA games of its own.
The Wall Street Journal reports that Apple made $8.5 billion in operating profits from gaming in 2019. According to the post, this totals more than Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, and Activision combined.
The top 1% of spenders made up for over 64% of sales on the App Store, spending about $2,694 each year. These players are known as "whales", and are often the target for microtransactions in free-to-play games.
The numbers the Journal used came to light as part of the recent antitrust trial between Apple and Epic, the developers of Fortnite. However, Apple says the numbers discussed were flawed and too high.
I'll frame it this way.
Apple has $10 million idle cash to invest in and these are their opportunities for it
- Have a game dev create an Mac with Apple Silicon exclusive
- Prepay for process node priority for 3nm in 2023
- Funding for the rumored Apple Car
- Hire tax lobbyists
- Buys a company
- Build more green data centers
Apple provides the tech & its up to the gave developer to port their work to it.
Rightfully so. Below is a graph on share of games market revenue segmented by platform
Over a period of 5 years these platforms shrank
- PC/MMO games
- TV/console/VR
- Casual web games
- Handheld games
- Smartphones & watches
- Tablet games
Source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pc-gaming-is-in-a-decline-and-deserves-to-be-2019-07-03
Apple will invest in markets that has potential for growth.
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Well they already aren’t buying their stuff xD
There is zero point to complain to publishers as they aren’t their customers and they don’t care to have them as customers because they can always tell you to buy a pc/console instead
Great. Trillion dollar company doesn’t help me play games tho. As they quite literally don’t invest any of it.
genshin impact player here . but if legal can play in apple tv or m1 should be more awesome,
I think people are missing the point. Those that make the decision to buy/make high-end gaming PCs and laptops AREN'T only mobile gamers. Mobile gamers are casual gamers. PC gamers are not. The market share really doesn't matter to those who want AAA gaming titles that push the boundaries of what is possible.
The poster that pointed out making proton for mac is exactly right. Then one could buy a $2200 to $2500 MBP and do it all. That, of course, will never happen so Apple continues to lose sales to those of us that prefer one main device that can game.
They clearly don't care and that is their prerogative. Again, market share doesn't matter at all for this conversation. The question isn't which gaming is the most profitable (and wait until micro-transactions get banned anyway), it's can the mac use all that M1 power and play AAA PC and console titles? and the answer is clearly no.
The poster that pointed out making proton for mac is exactly right. Then one could buy a $2200 to $2500 MBP and do it all. That, of course, will never happen so Apple continues to lose sales to those of us that prefer one main device that can game.
They clearly don't care and that is their prerogative. Again, market share doesn't matter at all for this conversation. The question isn't which gaming is the most profitable (and wait until micro-transactions get banned anyway), it's can the mac use all that M1 power and play AAA PC and console titles? and the answer is clearly no.
Yep... I tell Siri to call people ... lots of fun ... not. ?People actually play games on their smart watches?
You do realize that chart is normalized to 100%, right? And that the explosion in mobile devices means they're taking a larger market share - but that doesn't mean that PC gaming is a sector that is shrinking, either. It's just not growing as fast as an emergent market, as you'd expect
Look at NVIDIA's earnings sometimes - they're growing in all sectors, to include GPUs for gaming, because the gaming market is still growing
I could totally see developers skipping Intel Macs altogether and say if you want to play this game, go install BootCamp or get an Apple Silicon Mac. Gamers are usually savvy enough to install bootcamp.
The reason is quite simple. The number of Apple Silicon Macs sold will quickly dwarf the number of Intel Macs with dedicated GPUs. Maybe 1 or 2 years of sales should do it. Developers don't want to support a dead-end architecture, especially online games which get updates for years after release.
Let's say Apple sells 25 million Macs in 2022, of which, 99% are Apple Silicon. 30 million in 2023.
That's 55 million active Apple Silicon macs in just 2 years. All of them are fully capable of playing AAA games.
There is no way there will be 55 million active Intel Macs with powerful dedicated GPUs in 2023.
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The chart tells me that Apple's strategy to focus on the growth industry of smartphone/tablet/watch games gave them a better return than them slugging it out on the mature market of PC gaming.
At the end of the day Apple made a killing more than any gave developer with triple A titles.
Prior to 2020 what was the Mac's competitive advantage in PC gaming? Does the Mac address the requirement of PC gamers for frictionless parts replacement? PC gamers expect seamless parts swapping. The Mac does not offer that.
Prior to COVID the PC industry as a whole has been declining since the iPhone came out in 2007.
NVidia's earnings is helped by crypto. Gamers were complaining about them not being served.
Simply put PC gaming is not a priority. It's a "nice to have" but Apple can live without it especially when they constantly look for the next iPod or iPhone.
If you want to waste time then wait for the Mac to get triple A titles. But if you value it then buy a gaming PC.
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Not really, it’s how Apple operates. One of the examples I always point to is FCP7. It was the thing that folks bought Macs for, but what they wanted was “the same thing but add features and faster” and Steve Jobs wanted to go in an entirely new direction. There was a meeting where he essentially told the gathered FCP7 users effectively “we don’t want you” and went on to create FCPX for future customers. A lot of those folks dropped Apple and never looked back. Today? FCPX has more active seats than FCP7 at the height of it’s popularity.
By saying “I don’t care of FCP7 folks never buy another Mac, I’m making FCPX the way I want to,” Apple shows how and a little of why they gun for what they think will be profitable niche’s. As a result, at any given time, they “don’t need” wide swaths of the computing population. They don’t need folks that want 1U servers with Apple logos, they don’t need folks that want eGPU’s, they don’t need folks that want wireless access points with Apple logos. And, they don’t need AAA gaming (which, I guess, can also be described as 3D rendered, lootbox delivery platforms).
Just buy a gaming PC. Your time is better served not waiting.
That’s actually it. AND it’s the point. Apple knows that anyone wanting what PC’s can do but Macs can’t will just get a PC. And, there are billions than do. It’s not a bad thing.
They COULD chase after trying to make the Mac everything OR chase after several million a year that want those things that only Macs can do, are more familiar with Macs OR just want an alternative to PC. They can focus on making profitable Mac products focused on that goal and ignore whatever anyone outside of that group wants from the Mac.
So why should they not take the next logical step and make gatekeeper require apps be purchased from the mac app store with no option to turn off?
It’s not, it’s just accurate to say it’s a PC/Console game and not accurate to say it’s not a PC/Console game. Just as it’s not accurate to say Fruit Ninja is NOT an arcade game.
“Something being green does NOT mean it’s green”. Sure!
Why would that be the next logical step? The market for the Mac is so small compared to some of their other lines, it’s not even worth the effort. The Mac will be dead long before Mac App Store only sales happen.
It’s far easier and more effective to put a gatekeeper on reality so that you can’t buy and legally, effectively AND easily FCP or Logic Pro without a Mac.