Nope. Go to Newegg and build it. It's a lot less, in the $600-$650 range depending on if you want SSD or hard drive. Besides, the NUC also has an i7 Kaby Lake dual-core processor. The Mac Mini has Haswell, three generations behind.
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Nope. Go to Newegg and build it. It's a lot less, in the $600-$650 range depending on if you want SSD or hard drive. Besides, the NUC also has an i7 Kaby Lake dual-core processor. The Mac Mini has Haswell, three generations behind.
I think there's value even for those committed to Apple to buy into a NUC (Windows) for HTPC and other duties as it, at least, positions us to be ready for a platform change if necessary - use it as an adjunct and segue if necessary (and certainly there's no harm in understanding where Windows is in comparison).
... and let's not forget ... if we're not the sheeple that just blindly follow Apple we must then be pioneers in solutions - build what works - bridge functionalities - be functional in all platforms and ride the wave.
Now go get the money to do all that!
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It's fine if you think that but don't assert there's no "Apple tax." It is truely outrageous that Apple is using a CPU that is three generations benhind yet still charging what they do for minis.
Yep. It is disgraceful and contemptible, and Apple have precisely zero excuses for it.
Taking your customers for granted and exploiting their loyalty to the point of blatant gouging, and doing so over an extended period. What could possibly go wrong?
Apple is still profitable and a hearing from a few disgruntled users is not going to change their approach. The mini must still be selling or they would have pulled it off the shelves to make space for something else. The sad thing is that their average buyer probably doesn't even know that they are buying outdated equipment.
Many people would rather run Mac OS on 3+ year old hardware than Windows on current hardware. No price drop or spec bump is pretty incredible though.
Liking an operating system that works much better for you than any other equals being a "Sheeple"? How old are you? I figured everyone here was an adult.Typical Sheeple.
I think what Crosscreek means is ... accepting outdated performance when you have needs for more that can be addressed by other solutions because you just "want to" believe is reason to be classified as "sheeple" (being blindly led with no clear options for years) - or the chimp who refuses to leave the cage when the door is left open - desire and instinct broken.
At some point we've all been led to believe there was a natural progression and pathway forward - it's just that some of us will break from the pack sooner than others.
Today it's those who linger - tomorrow it could be those who remained steadfast as Apple launches a "killer" solution - staying fluid is more likely the best option.
It's funny to watch someone put so much effort into insulting others for no other reason than to be a bully.
How many other animal names are you going to call us?
I don't want to be "fluid", I like the Apple OS, I like the way it works with my phone and tablet. I don't want to learn something new, I don't want to deal with all the issues of Windows and figuring out new ways to sync it with the phone and tablets. I use my computer for business, not to view porn and play on Facebook like some of you children.
I thought this would be some where I could go to not be labeled a fanboy or worse just because I like a particular product, I guess I was wrong.
How many other animal names are you going to call us?
I don't want to be "fluid", I like the Apple OS, I like the way it works with my phone and tablet. I don't want to learn something new, I don't want to deal with all the issues of Windows and figuring out new ways to sync it with the phone and tablets. I use my computer for business, not to view porn and play on Facebook like some of you children.
I thought this would be some where I could go to not be labeled a fanboy or worse just because I like a particular product, I guess I was wrong.
"I don't want to be "fluid", I like the Apple OS, I like the way it works with my phone and tablet. I don't want to learn something new, "
Well then - shut the door - don't upgrade or update MacOS either for that matter because learning something new is all part of it. I guess you can leave the forum knowing you know it all ... for a second anyway ... a lonely second!
Since we're all adults ... you more than likely don't truly mean you don't want to learn something new ... there are plenty of words for that ...
You more realistically (since updates and upgrades can require learning) don't want to loose your investment in the ecosystem which is very understandable and shared by many. It confounds those of us who range from geeky to professional and young to old how long we can respectfully hold out on a company that led us forward in the past that now provides no published upgrade path and no signs of caring about the median desktop user. There are names for all of us but we tend to care more about content.
Well then - shut the door - don't upgrade or update MacOS either for that matter because learning something new is all part of it. I guess you can leave the forum knowing you know it all ... for a second anyway ... a lonely second!
Since we're all adults ... you more than likely don't truly mean you don't want to learn something new ... there are plenty of words for that ...
You more realistically (since updates and upgrades can require learning) don't want to loose your investment in the ecosystem which is very understandable and shared by many. It confounds those of us who range from geeky to professional and young to old how long we can respectfully hold out on a company that led us forward in the past that now provides no published upgrade path and no signs of caring about the median desktop user. There are names for all of us but we tend to care more about content.
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Come on. Chill out. Everyone is different and has their own needs and views. Also - Isn't it great that you can sell a 5 year old Mac and it is valuable? (Oops, sorry, you shouldn't have a 5 year old Mac as you waited too long.)
Otherwise someone will say you have to only run Beta software or you are a Luddite. Then it will be Alpha software or you are a Neanderthal. Then it will be ....
Otherwise someone will say you have to only run Beta software or you are a Luddite. Then it will be Alpha software or you are a Neanderthal. Then it will be ....
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not bothered about the Mini per-se, but I want a mid-range headless computer than can run macOS.
The mini is too underpowered, the Mac Pro too overpowered/expensive (and not expandable with conventional SSDs) and I don't want a laptop (got one) or iMac (had one, don't like the way they age and take up room and also I'd prefer a 24" one and the disk offer on the 21" one is either 1TB Fusion (no thanks) or very expensive SSD and/or stand-alone drive).
Apple know that I might give up and get an iMac if they push that and not the Mini: that's certainly what they're suggesting people do with their current offering. That's why it's not a huge surprise to see them update the iMac but not the Mini at the same time - it makes a lot of business sense.
I don't think this means there will never be a new Mini or equivalent, but if something does turn up it will be powered lower than lots of the iMacs, that much is certain. What I'd like is a new Mac Pro that is configurable all the way from top end way out of my league down to Mini level. The chances that this will happen are surely zero, though. The mythical mid-range headless Mac has been a long time not arriving, though you could argue I think that the top end 2012 Mini was just that.
The customer for the Mini that Apple have in mind are nothing to do with the people on this site, I'm sure. As their cheapest computer the sales of it (and the Air) must have been enough to keep both around earlier this year, when a lot of people (including me) thought they would be removed. Apple were clearly worried about their top end customers going away when they made the early announcements for the new Mac Pro and iMac Pro. Pity they can't do anything for us mortals.
The mini is too underpowered, the Mac Pro too overpowered/expensive (and not expandable with conventional SSDs) and I don't want a laptop (got one) or iMac (had one, don't like the way they age and take up room and also I'd prefer a 24" one and the disk offer on the 21" one is either 1TB Fusion (no thanks) or very expensive SSD and/or stand-alone drive).
Apple know that I might give up and get an iMac if they push that and not the Mini: that's certainly what they're suggesting people do with their current offering. That's why it's not a huge surprise to see them update the iMac but not the Mini at the same time - it makes a lot of business sense.
I don't think this means there will never be a new Mini or equivalent, but if something does turn up it will be powered lower than lots of the iMacs, that much is certain. What I'd like is a new Mac Pro that is configurable all the way from top end way out of my league down to Mini level. The chances that this will happen are surely zero, though. The mythical mid-range headless Mac has been a long time not arriving, though you could argue I think that the top end 2012 Mini was just that.
The customer for the Mini that Apple have in mind are nothing to do with the people on this site, I'm sure. As their cheapest computer the sales of it (and the Air) must have been enough to keep both around earlier this year, when a lot of people (including me) thought they would be removed. Apple were clearly worried about their top end customers going away when they made the early announcements for the new Mac Pro and iMac Pro. Pity they can't do anything for us mortals.
Like I said we tend to care more about content ... and since you started the thread and stated you guessed you'd buy a Windows machine you need not worry about being bullied to do so - thus your complaints lack content and frankly thank God for the others in this thread.
Your maturity precedes you and a well-chosen User Name!
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Exactly, which is why it's sad that we are called "sheeple" and "chimps".
Good thing it's easy enough to write those children off and ignore all their further posts.
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I agree with this, I would be happy with a midrange offering as well. I'm just not willing to buy a Pro since it's so expensive and I don't need anything near what it can offer. The Mini is fine for me, but I would be willing to pay more for a midrange offering, which is why Apple not offering anything to us is stupid.
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What's next? "I'm rubber and you're glue..."
A lot of what you are seeing in here is people standing up and shouting "The Emperor has no clothes!" Which is to be expected, given Apple's obvious loathing of the Mini.
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Apple has many initiatives, years away, surrounding the iPhone that have deep potential and massive R&D requirements - at this point they should spin-off the desktop initiatives into a separate division and let Ives do what Ives does with the iOS devices - or license the software and let someone build a MacOS machine that's not gimped and competitively priced - why should they care at this point.
Maybe they should drop the peripherals (mice, keyboards, track pads) right along with the monitors too.Let somebody build it who's truly into it for goodness sake.
Maybe they should drop the peripherals (mice, keyboards, track pads) right along with the monitors too.Let somebody build it who's truly into it for goodness sake.
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Exactly!
I've said this many times.
Why they won't let the macs go, since they are not really interested about them? Is it just some sort of heritage PR stunt or what?
I'm also wondering this hate for headless macs.
Could it be just that they want to sell more and computer and monitor combined makes more money than just the computer alone?
Or could it be about support expenses? People calling applecare about connecting their monitor? One thing behind Apple's success is making things so easy, that people don't need customer support so much. Customer support is the most expensive part of many IT businesses.
Or something else?
I say the users of this forum are the least impact to Tech. Support because at least many users here have the guts to fix things themselves - if you make devices with no user-serviceable parts Tech Support has perhaps more to do - or just throw everything away when it dies and pollute the planet. If you make something or write something there will always be a need for Tech. Support.
The current thinking Apple employs: mobility is king - the youthful generation (those with disposable money) look at desktop computing akin to rotary telephones. I would accept this line of thinking only if Apple was embedded in the corporate world and said in addition - "Hey, most corporations today purchase Laptops - the money is just not there for desktops anymore". Apple has always been king of the "user - experience"; what makes them think people are just as effective with a Laptop as they are with a desktop. Case in point - my Neovo monitor broke I'm now using a 40" TV Monitor in it's place mounted right over my desk - my productivity has taken a serious dive in relation to the position of the monitor - the size and clarity sitting just 4ft away is annoying as hell - the angle of my head and so on. There's a ton of issues that impact productivity - Apple has turned a blind eye to those who need economics and the convention of a headless desktop - the many folks who do intensive work for hours at a time. The iMac, iMacPro and MacPro modular could cover it though providing the bottom-tier comes in at say $1500 which aint likely.
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Have you ever noticed - up until your purchase of the Apple products your call is primarily handled in the U.S. but once you make your purchase somehow your call is routed off-shore.
The current thinking Apple employs: mobility is king - the youthful generation (those with disposable money) look at desktop computing akin to rotary telephones. I would accept this line of thinking only if Apple was embedded in the corporate world and said in addition - "Hey, most corporations today purchase Laptops - the money is just not there for desktops anymore". Apple has always been king of the "user - experience"; what makes them think people are just as effective with a Laptop as they are with a desktop. Case in point - my Neovo monitor broke I'm now using a 40" TV Monitor in it's place mounted right over my desk - my productivity has taken a serious dive in relation to the position of the monitor - the size and clarity sitting just 4ft away is annoying as hell - the angle of my head and so on. There's a ton of issues that impact productivity - Apple has turned a blind eye to those who need economics and the convention of a headless desktop - the many folks who do intensive work for hours at a time. The iMac, iMacPro and MacPro modular could cover it though providing the bottom-tier comes in at say $1500 which aint likely.
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Have you ever noticed - up until your purchase of the Apple products your call is primarily handled in the U.S. but once you make your purchase somehow your call is routed off-shore.
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Apple is supposedly all about the user experience. What you can see and touch. A "computer" is back end infrastructure the same as plumbing. Something necessary but not sexy.
We were able to switch from PC to Mac 6 years ago with my wife and start iOS development because of Minis. No way we could afford Macbooks or iMacs as fresh grads. Also we bought them on a short border trip to the EU and returned almost 20% VAT. :]
Nowadays I can buy more expensive models but I'm still waiting for a Mini update because it's the perfect form for a desktop computer if you don't need GPU.