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decafjava

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I'm speaking for the iPhone 6 as that's the only model I can test on a daily basis. I'm not talking about the iPod Air 2 and the 6s as I do not have those devices.

However, every iPhone 6 and 5s I've been able to use, has the same legginess to them. It's not the phone, it's that the OS isn't optimized properly for those devices.

I know it's not just my iPhone either because I've done DFU restores, restored from backup, setup as new phone, reset all settings, updated over the air, updated through iTunes, and even did a full restore as new with absolutely NO extra content on it besides the default Apple stuff and it was the same every time. Metal just isn't designed to run on this hardware optimally.

Well, all I can say is that metal-based apps like Vainglory, AG Drive and Geometry Wars, ran very well on my iPhone 6 in ios 8 and still do now. The OS hopefully just needs more optimisation to run better.
 

imagineadam

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Jan 19, 2011
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I've been reading anandtechs review of iOS 9 looking at the part about how it reduces input lag... How can this be true?! I feel like (on my iPhone 6) input lag was so much worse and it would take me and extra 2-3 taps sometimes just to get an app to open (after closing an app) or just to get something like clicking on a text field or typing to react and respond. I really didn't see improvements! Everything FELT WORSE! That's why I'm still on 8.4.1. Having to wait till the animations completely end has made things feel so clunky. I wonder if it's going to take till 9.3 till things feel like 8.4.1 again?
 

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Jayson A

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I've been reading anandtechs review of iOS 9 looking at the part about how it reduces input lag... How can this be true?! I feel like (on my iPhone 6) input lag was so much worse and it would take me and extra 2-3 taps sometimes just to get an app to open (after closing an app) or just to get something like clicking on a text field or typing to react and respond. I really didn't see improvements! Everything FELT WORSE! That's why I'm still on 8.4.1. Having to wait till the animations completely end has made things feel so clunky. I wonder if it's going to take till 9.3 till things feel like 8.4.1 again?

I believe they're talking about iPad Pro and iPad Air 2 that scan for inputs at 120hz instead of the usual 60hz. iOS 9 isn't going to make your hardware change.
 

sanke1

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Nov 9, 2010
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I've been reading anandtechs review of iOS 9 looking at the part about how it reduces input lag... How can this be true?! I feel like (on my iPhone 6) input lag was so much worse and it would take me and extra 2-3 taps sometimes just to get an app to open (after closing an app) or just to get something like clicking on a text field or typing to react and respond. I really didn't see improvements! Everything FELT WORSE! That's why I'm still on 8.4.1. Having to wait till the animations completely end has made things feel so clunky. I wonder if it's going to take till 9.3 till things feel like 8.4.1 again?
AnandTech or iAnandTech as I call them these days have lost all credibility with their extremely biased reviews of only Apple products. Their former boss Mr. Anand is now an Apple employee.

The example you quote shows their blatant bias. But they are good at their words to hide Apple's problems. :(

Rest of their product reviews are top notch stuff, I give you that !
 
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I7guy

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AnandTech or iAnandTech as I call them these days have lost all credibility with their extremely biased reviews of only Apple products. Their former boss Mr. Anand is now an Apple employee.

The example you quote shows their blatant bias. But they are good at their words to hide Apple's problems. :(

Rest of their product reviews are top notch stuff, I give you that !
Who did they lose credibility with. I certainly view them as a credible site; I guess credibility is in the eyes of the beholder.
 

BuckeyeMac

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Jun 25, 2012
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I updated to ios9 on my 6+ the day after 9 was released, and its like I'm running ios6 on this thing. Slow/laggy and very frustrating. I hate it. I loved how my 6+ ran on 8.4.


Is there a way for me to go back to ios8?
 
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Radon87000

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I updated to ios9 on my 6+ the day after 9 was released, and its like I'm running ios6 on this thing. Slow/laggy and very frustrating. I hate it. I loved how my 6+ ran on 8.4.


Is there a way for me to go back to ios8?
Nope.You are stuck with lag till Apple gets their **** together.Since you can't go back to 8.4.1 might as well upgrade to the beta
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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I updated to ios9 on my 6+ the day after 9 was released, and its like I'm running ios6 on this thing. Slow/laggy and very frustrating. I hate it. I loved how my 6+ ran on 8.4.


Is there a way for me to go back to ios8?
If you were actually running iOS 6 (somehow), it would be the opposite of all of that.
 

newellj

macrumors G3
Oct 15, 2014
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Nope.You are stuck with lag till Apple gets their **** together.Since you can't go back to 8.4.1 might as well upgrade to the beta

Sadly, the trend is pointing the other way. Example: hardware and software for the Mac that won't run on OS X unless it's Yosemite or, in some cases, El Capitan.
 

Cakefish

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Oct 14, 2015
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My iPad Air 2 came with iOS 8.3 preinstalled. Unsurprisingly like butter. I played around with it for a bit before upgrading to 9.0.2. I wanted the awesome new multitasking features and new Apple Music app UI too much to resist upgrading.

So far, it's really smooth 99% of the time. Only point when it's noticeably not 60fps is when I have a dynamic wallpaper set and am using the task switcher.

So even the latest iPad can't quite run the OS smoothly like butter all the time. I have to think that Apple will patch this in an update. If Apple seriously think that having the new iPad Pro as the only iPad that can run the latest OS at 60fps is acceptable then I will very much regret my purchase.
 

sanke1

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So even the latest iPad can't quite run the OS smoothly like butter all the time. I have to think that Apple will patch this in an update. If Apple seriously think that having the new iPad Pro as the only iPad that can run the latest OS at 60fps is acceptable then I will very much regret my purchase.
Agree. I will wait and watch to see if they fix this stutter on Air 2. Everyone knows that Air 2 GPU is ridiculously fast. If they can't get it to perform 60fps smooth at all the times, then they clearly can't make all the other devices any faster.

I will sell off this iPad Air 2 like you sell off those broken vibrating dildos and get a Surface 4. I wouldn't be complaining of stutter or any stupid nonsense.
 

Radon87000

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My iPad Air 2 came with iOS 8.3 preinstalled. Unsurprisingly like butter. I played around with it for a bit before upgrading to 9.0.2. I wanted the awesome new multitasking features and new Apple Music app UI too much to resist upgrading.

So far, it's really smooth 99% of the time. Only point when it's noticeably not 60fps is when I have a dynamic wallpaper set and am using the task switcher.

So even the latest iPad can't quite run the OS smoothly like butter all the time. I have to think that Apple will patch this in an update. If Apple seriously think that having the new iPad Pro as the only iPad that can run the latest OS at 60fps is acceptable then I will very much regret my purchase.
I am actually amazed Apple actually managed to slow this device down LOL

For the past year I kept searching for games and apps that make the hardware sweat and yet it tore through everything I threw at it and turns out the thing it can't handle is the OS itself :)
 

Cakefish

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Oct 14, 2015
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It's easily fixable by just not using a dynamic wallpaper, but I have to admit those are really quite attractive to look at and it shouldn't have an issue when you consider the calibre of games this thing can play without a breaking a sweat. It shouldn't have to be a compromise between aesthetics and performance, that's never how it's been for older iOS versions in the past (excluding on very old hardware a good few generations old, which is to be expected).

I paid £479 for this beast, I do not expect to be forced to compromise on such a basic, fundamental thing as the OS aesthetic quality.

I hope Apple are being flooded with complaints about this.
 

Steve J0bs

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Jul 30, 2008
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Everything runs great except Quick Reply from a banner when a message is received. It's like take-twenty-seconds slow. It's completely unusable. Been that way since PB3 and still sucks on the official release.
Same for me. It's so bad that I try to avoid quick replying at all times.
 

dk001

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Oct 3, 2014
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Sage, Lightning, and Mountains
  • It's not smooth.
  • It stutters.
  • It has new whacky bugs.
  • It detracts from the user experience.
  • Not everybody sees it.
  • Not everybody cares.
  • The last release was smoother / better.
  • The [insert new function] is broken and works like crap.
  • It slows down my [insert device here].
  • Why was this released when it isn't ready?
  • Why does Apple do this every year lately?
At what point does Apple prioritize the fix?
If 80%+ are not complaining should Apple fix it?
Does reputation outweigh commercialization and profit?
Does user experience outweigh commercialization and profit?

Apple has apparently (it's my opinion) forgone the user experience and "it just works" and moved to commercialization and profit relying on their reputation to hold it all together.

That is such a dead end street and it is littered with the long term failures and rebuilt companies that attempted that.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,162
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Gotta be in it to win it
  • It's not smooth.
  • It stutters.
  • It has new whacky bugs.
  • It detracts from the user experience.
  • Not everybody sees it.
  • Not everybody cares.
  • The last release was smoother / better.
  • The [insert new function] is broken and works like crap.
  • It slows down my [insert device here].
  • Why was this released when it isn't ready?
  • Why does Apple do this every year lately?
At what point does Apple prioritize the fix?
If 80%+ are not complaining should Apple fix it?
Does reputation outweigh commercialization and profit?
Does user experience outweigh commercialization and profit?

Apple has apparently (it's my opinion) forgone the user experience and "it just works" and moved to commercialization and profit relying on their reputation to hold it all together.

That is such a dead end street and it is littered with the long term failures and rebuilt companies that attempted that.
This is a bit over the top. Every first release since ios 5 has needed fine tuning. As you said if 80%+ are not complaining should they fix it? Probably and I think they will.

As far as the new whacky bugs, maybe, but every release has them.

And I think you forgot one point. Not everybody has the same set of issues and some people may not have issues at all.
 

Merkie

macrumors 68020
Oct 23, 2008
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  • It's not smooth.
  • It stutters.
  • It has new whacky bugs.
  • It detracts from the user experience.
  • Not everybody sees it.
  • Not everybody cares.
  • The last release was smoother / better.
  • The [insert new function] is broken and works like crap.
  • It slows down my [insert device here].
  • Why was this released when it isn't ready?
  • Why does Apple do this every year lately?
At what point does Apple prioritize the fix?
If 80%+ are not complaining should Apple fix it?
Does reputation outweigh commercialization and profit?
Does user experience outweigh commercialization and profit?

Apple has apparently (it's my opinion) forgone the user experience and "it just works" and moved to commercialization and profit relying on their reputation to hold it all together.

That is such a dead end street and it is littered with the long term failures and rebuilt companies that attempted that.
You don't have to fix anything if you don't break it in the first place!
 

dk001

macrumors demi-god
Oct 3, 2014
11,137
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Sage, Lightning, and Mountains
This is a bit over the top. Every first release since ios 5 has needed fine tuning. As you said if 80%+ are not complaining should they fix it? Probably and I think they will.

As far as the new whacky bugs, maybe, but every release has them.

And I think you forgot one point. Not everybody has the same set of issues and some people may not have issues at all.

I pulled these as a high level abbreviated list of complaints/opinions from this forum - the real list is actually much longer.
Then I asked questions from a business perspective - ROI - or further investment - does it make sense.
Then I gave my perspective at the end.
 

Radon87000

macrumors 604
Nov 29, 2013
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  • It's not smooth.
  • It stutters.
  • It has new whacky bugs.
  • It detracts from the user experience.
  • Not everybody sees it.
  • Not everybody cares.
  • The last release was smoother / better.
  • The [insert new function] is broken and works like crap.
  • It slows down my [insert device here].
  • Why was this released when it isn't ready?
  • Why does Apple do this every year lately?
At what point does Apple prioritize the fix?
If 80%+ are not complaining should Apple fix it?
Does reputation outweigh commercialization and profit?
Does user experience outweigh commercialization and profit?

Apple has apparently (it's my opinion) forgone the user experience and "it just works" and moved to commercialization and profit relying on their reputation to hold it all together.

That is such a dead end street and it is littered with the long term failures and rebuilt companies that attempted that.
Personally I feel Tim Cook is more of a businessman than a visionary like Jobs who always strived for that "magical experience".iOS 6 and below are testament to this fact
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,162
25,281
Gotta be in it to win it
I pulled these as a high level abbreviated list of complaints/opinions from this forum - the real list is actually much longer.
Then I asked questions from a business perspective - ROI - or further investment - does it make sense.
Then I gave my perspective at the end.
Could do that for any product you buy by using web search. Not really indicative of anything. Obviously a majority of people seems happy if the masses really weren't happy as claimed by some previously that the 6s was going to be a dud, you would know it.
 

dk001

macrumors demi-god
Oct 3, 2014
11,137
15,490
Sage, Lightning, and Mountains
Could do that for any product you buy by using web search. Not really indicative of anything. Obviously a majority of people seems happy if the masses really weren't happy as claimed by some previously that the 6s was going to be a dud, you would know it.

That's the point.
What are the business defined limits and trigger points?
Either a business is about and focuses on consumer satisfaction OR a business focuses on the profit model.
Currently (my opinion) Apple is focused on the profit model and leveraging their current "brand recognition" to keep those profits coming.

This is not a long term sustainable model.
 
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