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C DM

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Everyone has the same or worse lag. Some other person with a freshly restored iPhone 6 is going to have less lag than someone else with a freshly restored iPhone 6.
Exactly! Imagine a sandbox. (The iPhone) Everyone gets to play in the same sandbox. Now here come the kids! (The apps) Apple has very strict rules with how these kids can behave and play no matter how many come to play or what different combination of these kids (apps run) play.

It annoys me when I see the post "nobody's two iPhones are the same". Well actually if there isn't a hardware failure they are pretty much exactly the same and that's the way Apple wants them to be.

I'm so glad I'm still on 8.4.1.

I envy people who don't perceive the laggyness or unresponsiveness of the touch screen. Once you come from fast and fluid to choppy and clunky it's hard not to want to go back!
Except once again the reality of various different threads and posts shows that not the case given that people complain of different issues here and there even after restores that many others do not have. It's nice to say that things should be this or that, but it the only thing that actually matters is simple reality.
 

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Except once again the reality of various different threads and posts shows that not the case given that people complain of different issues here and there even after restores that many others do not have. It's nice to say that things should be this or that, but it the only thing that actually matters is simple reality.
iOS 9 = sluggish on 5s and 6. That is reality. Undeniably. Some people don't notice, but their phone definitely is. I'll bet my life savings on it.
 
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C DM

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iOS 9 = sluggish on 5s and 6. That is reality. Undeniably. Some people don't notice, but their phone definitely is. I'll bet my life savings on it.
While everyone might have some stutter in animations here and there, it doesn't seem that many would find their devices sluggish actually.
 

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While everyone might have some stutter in animations here and there, it doesn't seem that many would find their devices sluggish actually.

I use 8.4.1 on my iPhone 6 and iOS 9.1 on my air 2. I use my iPhone 6 more often than my iPad. My air 2 seems sluggish when I use it. Alot of it is relative to what you are used to. I suppose I could put 9.1 on my iPhone 6 to make my Air 2 seem better.
 
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Merkie

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While everyone might have some stutter in animations here and there, it doesn't seem that many would find their devices sluggish actually.
Ofcourse, everyone is entitled to have their own definition of sluggish. However, it can easily be determined in an objective manner that iOS 9 uses less frames to render the same animations with the same duration as iOS 8, which results in an apparent reduced smoothness.

The smooth iPhone UI is one of the main reasons is I bought my first iPhone back in February 2008. So yes, it bothers me. I don't want my $1000 iPhone (most expensive phone in the world) to feel like a $500 Android, and right now it does.
 

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Ofcourse, everyone is entitled to have their own definition of sluggish. However, it can easily be determined in an objective manner that iOS 9 uses less frames to render the same animations with the same duration as iOS 8, which results in an apparent reduced smoothness.

The smooth iPhone UI is one of the main reasons is I bought my first iPhone back in February 2008. So yes, it bothers me. I don't want my $1000 iPhone (most expensive phone in the world) to feel like a $500 Android, and right now it does.
I have a feeling the lag may be because of two possibilities

1.Apple is forcing planned obsolescence to get us to buy the new iPads and iPhones.Especially the iPads as the sales of iPads are decreasing which is all the more reason to introduce some intended stutter to push them to upgrade

2.Metal actually hurt more than it helped
 
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Ofcourse, everyone is entitled to have their own definition of sluggish. However, it can easily be determined in an objective manner that iOS 9 uses less frames to render the same animations with the same duration as iOS 8, which results in an apparent reduced smoothness.

The smooth iPhone UI is one of the main reasons is I bought my first iPhone back in February 2008. So yes, it bothers me. I don't want my $1000 iPhone (most expensive phone in the world) to feel like a $500 Android, and right now it does.
Yes, all that is the case. And when laid out like that makes perfect sense. When taken to unnecessary extremes that's when it loses a good amount of that sense.
 

thed0g

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You're right. A random forum post or youtube video is much more credible.
On real life device usage ? Yes, definitely. Unless your real life usage constitutes of running benchmarks whole day and noting numbers.
 

thed0g

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We seem to agree that running through the apps serially as is done in a lot of y/t videos doesn't constitute a real-world use case.
But showing the sluggishness of UI while doing that does, compared to a synthetic benchmark which spews a number.
 

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The ars benchmarks say/said iOS 9 is faster. A lot has to do with safari.

In fairness, my recollection is that iOS 9 was generally but not always faster, but not much, and it depended on the task and the device. However, and this is the big plus, even though I'm not a fan of benchmarks, at least this is quantifiable, standardized data that applies across devices and across the two iOS versions.

It's also fair to add that Apple certainly left lots of people with the expectation that iOS 9 was going to speed things up, which I don't think anyone can say happened in any meaningful way. At best, it's a close call one way or the other (or a total disaster, depending on who you are listening to at the moment).
 
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On real life device usage ? Yes, definitely. Unless your real life usage constitutes of running benchmarks whole day and noting numbers.

At least it's standardized and tests reasonable tasks. Some people here (not pointing fingers at anyone, too many posts to try to track it down) are suggesting that how quickly an app opens is a realistic, meaningful test of the OS. That would only be true if all you do with you phone all day is open apps. That sounds like a test from The World of Android. ;)
 
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The root of the problem is the blur effects introduced in IOS7. If you reduce transparency IOS is silky smooth, I dont get why even the newest iphones with 4500+ Geekbench cant handle it? My iPad air 2 which is supposedly a beast has issues.
 
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The root of the problem is the blur effects introduced in IOS7. If you reduce transparency IOS is silky smooth, I dont get why even the newest iphones with 4500+ Geekbench cant handle it? My iPad air 2 which is supposedly a beast has issues.
True, but I'd go a bit further. The blur effect was fine for the same devices under 8.4.1. There is no "blur 2.0" introduced in iOS9.

Which I'd conclude that the issue is new rendering of the blur under iOS9, which was switched from OpenGL to Metal.
 

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True, but I'd go a bit further. The blur effect was fine for the same devices under 8.4.1. There is no "blur 2.0" introduced in iOS9.

Which I'd conclude that the issue is new rendering of the blur under iOS9, which was switched from OpenGL to Metal.
Yes it was better in 8.4, but even 8.4 is not as smooth as pre ios7. I mean that was a locked 60fps 99.99% of the time.
My iPhone 5 on ios 6 was a amazing.
 
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Zaft

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True for an individual device, but that doesn't mean that comment applied across the board to all Idevices in every configuration.
I'm sorry yes it does, every device is the same and will act the same. period, stop with this nonsense already.
 

thed0g

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True for an individual device, but that doesn't mean that comment applied across the board to all Idevices in every configuration.
I'll just say that find me a video of an iOS9 device which doesn't stutter compared to same one with iOS8 and I'll rest my case. Good luck.
 

thed0g

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Yes it was better in 8.4, but even 8.4 is not as smooth as pre ios7. I mean that was a locked 60fps 99.99% of the time.
My iPhone 5 on ios 6 was a amazing.
I see, sorry really can't comment on that, I became an iPhone 5S owner with 8.3 and configured one for my niece with 8.2 couple months before that. Both were without stutters which came with iOS 9.x.
 

thed0g

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I'd send a video of my iPhone but it's not worth the effort at this point.
Then stop stating things you can't or supposedly "aren't in the mood for" prove. There's plenty of logical evidence and statements saying otherwise. Thanks.
 
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