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I never said the hardware is superior. Of course the 6S is better on paper. But I'm not seeing it due to IOS9. Something is up.

You never see the difference in raw power between the previous generation and the new generation at this stage in the lifecycle.

iOS devices are updated so often/quickly now that developers never get the chance to push the latest chipset to its limits before a new device is released.

Add to this that developers don't target the newest devices first and foremost as they need to support as many devices as possible for sales and you've got a reasonable wait before you see a single app that pushes one device and one device only to its limit.

Right now there's nothing on the App Store that the 6 and 6s can't run identically, just as there's nothing that the Air and Air 2 can't run identically right now.

Sure, you get cases like Oceanhorn where the developers add device specific updates for slightly better textures but other than that you're not going to see raw power making a difference right now, if at all during the 6s lifespan. Perhaps when the 7 comes out we'll see things that the 6 struggles to run, but right now? No chance, and that's been the case for a couple of generations now.
 

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really?Open and close the app switcher with 3 or more apps open.Welcome to Lag City.Dont even get me started on the unlock lag where the icons stutter as they place themselves

My Air 2 is fine on 9.1, it's not 8.4.1 speed but it's 98% of the way there. By the time 9 reaches maturity I'm sure it'll be on par with 8.4.1.
 
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My Air 2 is fine on 9.1, it's not 8.4.1 speed but it's 98% of the way there. By the time 9 reaches maturity I'm sure it'll be on par with 8.4.1.
We don't update software that promises "performance enhancements and optimizations for older devices" then get 98% of the old system. The minimum should be 100% what the system already offered, then go from there.

In old non agile days, companies shipped when system reached "maturity", not sooner as treating their customers as beta testers. This is the BS that started with "free services" and "ship it faster" mentality in Silicon Valley and sadly Apple seems to have fell victim for it too.

Customers don't buy products based on future possible optimizations, but how it performs NOW. If it doesn't perform NOW how it was yesterday following an update, they will complain as the product wasn't FREE and it's their right to do so.
 
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We don't update software that promises "performance enhancements and optimizations for older devices" then get 98% of the old system. The minimum should be 100% what the system already offered, then go from there.

In old non agile days, companies shipped when system reached "maturity", not sooner as treating their customers as beta testers. This is the BS that started with "free services" and "ship it faster" mentality in Silicon Valley and sadly Apple seems to have fell victim for it too.

Customers don't buy products based on future possible optimizations, but how it performs NOW. If it doesn't perform NOW how it was yesterday following an update, they will complain as the product wasn't FREE and it's their right to do so.

You quite finished?

Where did I say people shouldn't complain, or did that minor detail slip your mind when your fingers began rattling the keyboard?

Check my post history, I've been one of the more vocal people regarding iOS 9's UI lag, but don't let facts get in the way of a good temper tantrum eh?

9.1 is miles better than 9.0, so right now I'm more content on iOS 9, especially on the Air 2 with Split View.

And if you expect a new version of any software to run identically to an old version that was 12 months old when it was replaced, you're being incredibly naive. 9.0 was never going to run like 8.4.1, in any world, any universe, or any other version of events you can fathom up.

Oh and, "One more thing" ... shouting individual words in capitals doesn't make them any more correct, relevant, or important.
 
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Can anyone replicate this.Open a folder and long press the icons till they jiggle and than tap outside the folder to return to home screen.I am getting heavy stutters
 
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It is better than 8.4.1.

The Air 2 is a far superior device with Split View.

performance and responsiveness should be better as well, but it isn't

"Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance"

"The apps in iOS 9 now take advantage of Metal, making more efficient use of the CPU and GPU to deliver faster scrolling, smoother animation, and better overall performance. Email, messages, web pages, and PDFs render faster. And multitasking features on iPad feel fluid and natural."
 

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performance and responsiveness should be better as well, but it isn't

"Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance"

It's still not as bad as, "an old Android device" like I've heard some people say.

I've done a 60fps video of my Air 2 running 9.1, and it's a vast improvement on 9.0, just as 9.2 will improve on 9.1.
 

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Can anyone replicate this.Open a folder and long press the icons till they jiggle and than tap outside the folder to return to home screen.I am getting heavy stutters
What device are you using?

No stuttering in that specific case with my Air 2.
 

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Alright guys. I did it. I put 9.1 on my iPhone 6 forever leaving 8.4.1 in the dust. (Tear) I know. Why!?!? Well I wanted to try out a game that required iOS 9 (Afterpulse--not as cool as I thought it would be) and I really wanted low power mode and I knew eventually I would have to upgrade at some point so why not do it now.

In a very basic nutshell 9.1 is better at a few things but mostly super annoyingly worse at others compared to 8.4.1.
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I'm really annoyed at the performance but the phone is still usable. It's just frustrating having to tap apps multiple times to get them to respond now when everything used to be so fluid. There's no going back now and I knew that. I can only hope Apple does something about ios9. The same is happening on the 6S so it's an iOS 9 issue. I've noticed my geekbench scores are all lower now too with the new iOS 9.1 firmware compared to 8.4. Clearly there is some governing going on. They aren't letting the A8 go full throttle anymore. Maybe this is on purpose for that extra hour of battery life that I'm still not getting yet? I don't know. I could go on. You guys get the gist.

Syrupy vs. Snappy :cool:
Bummer.
 

dk001

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You never see the difference in raw power between the previous generation and the new generation at this stage in the lifecycle.

iOS devices are updated so often/quickly now that developers never get the chance to push the latest chipset to its limits before a new device is released.

Add to this that developers don't target the newest devices first and foremost as they need to support as many devices as possible for sales and you've got a reasonable wait before you see a single app that pushes one device and one device only to its limit.

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Wasn't that one of the goals of iOS9?
Build it for the latest hardware and add the ability to easily enable / disable functions for use on legacy hardware thus allowing a better experience for both new and legacy devices.
 

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True but think about your statement. There is no reason any of last years devices should have an issue running iOS9 ... but they do.
Before this, IOS devices were good for 2 years before they would slow down. Now a phone thats less then 12 months is slowed down.

I honestly have a hard time believing apple is not doing this on purpose. Give me one good reason why the 6 has app launch delay but the 6S does not? Seriously its BS.
 
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Before this, IOS devices were good for 2 years before they would slow down. Now a phone thats less then 12 months is slowed down.

I honestly have a hard time believing apple is not doing this on purpose. Give me one good reason why the 6 has app launch delay but the 6S does not? Seriously its BS.

My air 2 is slower than it was on 8.4.1, why would they slow down the air 2 on purpose ? It is not like they have a better option coming out soon, that we know of, for the 9.7" market. I imagine the newest mini 4 would run faster on 8.4.1 too if it was an option.
 

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My air 2 is slower than it was on 8.4.1, why would they slow down the air 2 on purpose ? It is not like they have a better option coming out soon, that we know of, for the 9.7" market. I imagine the newest mini 4 would run faster on 8.4.1 too if it was an option.
iPad Pro for the smoothest experience? I hope not..
 

dk001

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After watching the 6S vs. 6S+ stutter video I just played around for a minute and had a thought for all those who are happy with their device and not seeing issues. Put a fast smooth device alongside your iDevice and mess around.
I placed my 6S+ and Note 5 side by side and did simple things like pulling down the notification pane, opening the "task Manager", opening and closing apps. When I do this it becomes readily apparent how slow/laggy/stuttery the 6S+ is for some functions.

[Edit] On the Note 5 I do have animations turned OFF in Settings.
 
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