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Some days I feel like ditching Apple
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Do you get some kind of corporate Exchange account on your phone? That disables the "turn passcode off" feature depending on the Exchange Server security policy.
Possibly. Maybe that's it.
Bummer.
EDIT: Nope, MRU can't turn that thing off either.
There isn't. Apple uses the PIN code as the primary security feature with TouchID as a viable shortcut.
If I had to guess, the reason for this is Apple doesn't actually get your fingerprint when you configure it on the iPhone. The device stores the fingerprint onboard and when Apps, the OS, or whatever asks for your fingerprint, the phone basically sends a 1 or a 0 based on whether or not the fingerprint matches. For this reason, TouchID is actually slightly less secure than a pin code. Also, if something "breaks" with the fingerprint reader, the PIN number is still there for a backup. It acts as a redundant security option.
For all the claims that iOS is super easy to use and streamlined and user-friendly, it's proving not.
The inconsistencies abound are staggering and really mar the experience on iOS. Sure, I'm used to Android, but regardless of that fact, iOS is inconsistent. And worse, inconsistent at stuff that is used day to day. Downloading apps and navigating backwards all should be a consistent and easy experience. But it's not.
Even the diehard Apple "fans" (i7guy) said it was, quote, "difficult" to finally get used to navigating through iOS. Took years, if I remember his post correctly.
That is sad.
It's significantly worse on an android device. IT departments have (wisely) been skeptical of Android devices. However, IT departments must not read the news or do any research. The Nexus isn't supported, but Samsung devices are. It doesn't make any sense.
Yep. And that's understandable. Android requires a secondary back up method to unlock too beyond fingerprint. But it doesn't force it on you after 48 hours of inactivity. Not that I'm aware of anyway.
Wish it were so with the iPhone, too. Ultimately, it's not a big deal. I was away this weekend and didn't bring my iPhone, so I don't foresee myself running into this problem very often. I bring it up just as another thing to add to the list of inconsistent experience on iOS, the world's most advanced mobile operating system.
=T
What gets me (or got me when I had the iPhone) is that I never, ever was able to use TouchID when downloading Apps. I almost always had restarted my phone (i didn't often download apps).
ANother example of inconsistency on iOS...
I have made Swype my top choice keyboard. But sometimes, for example when the Appe Store will randomly require a password instead of my Touch ID (a frustrating inconsistency of itself), I have to type with the Apple keyboard.
Again, expectation versus reality. I expect Swype. I get Apple keyboard. Inconsistent. In fact, an inconsistency within an inconsistency. I expect Touch ID to pay for an app I want to download; nope, it's random password time. Fine, I go to punch in my password, I expect Swype; nope, Apple keyboard time!
I have made Swype my top choice keyboard. But sometimes, for example when the Appe Store will randomly require a password instead of my Touch ID (a frustrating inconsistency of itself), I have to type with the Apple keyboard.
Again, expectation versus reality. I expect Swype. I get Apple keyboard. Inconsistent. In fact, an inconsistency within an inconsistency. I expect Touch ID to pay for an app I want to download; nope, it's random password time. Fine, I go to punch in my password, I expect Swype; nope, Apple keyboard time!
The locked down nature of iOS causes this, of course. The keyboards on iOS act more as Apps than as actual OS feature. As a result, the implementation is spotty.
Are you married to your clone?I think the fact that the phone requires a pin code after 48 hours is a good security feature.. It means the wife can't get into my phone-
apple claims that is for security - apple keyboard is supposed to come up at password/pin prompts - I hear you, but that is claimed as working as intended
the touchid/password inconsistency seems to be a common complaint aye
as far as disabling the pin and keeping touchid goes, the pin is used to decrypt the device after boot. touchid cant handle that if im not mistaken. I'm not quite sure how encrypted android devices handle that these days. on my GS4 GPE there would be a password at boot if I chose to encrypt, not sure how it goes these days with android encrypted by default along with touchscanners. I would doubt that the fingerprint serves as a kind of 'decryption key' on any device. I wager the 48 hr thing has nothing to do with decryption and was implemented by apple by choice for some nontechnical reason
would be interesting to see if you could log onto a windows bitlocker'd PC (from a fresh boot) via thumbprint without ever keying any kind of password - I want to say its not possible. Maybe with 'windows hello' (my pcs are not compliant with the program)?
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You have got to be kidding me:
A point of clarification. The iPhone doesn't require the PIN if you haven't turned it on in 48 hours but rather, if you haven't used the PIN code in 48 hours, regardless how many times you unlocked the phone using TouchID.
I just had to do the same thing and it's my daily driver.I'm obviously one of the regular iPhone supporters and iOS fans around here but the inconsistencies in the name of security are getting a bit ridiculous. It's frustrating how often I have to manually input my Apple ID password on a device that has TouchID enabled for this functionality.
It might take a while but Apple eventually gets around to implementing customers' suggestions like fixing the virtual keyboard that shows proper lower and upper case keys and adding some primitive form of multitasking. Another area that needs focus is cleaning up the menu hierarchy. Every time I upgrade iOS I turn off certain features to improve lag but they're hidden in the most non-obvious places like why is 'reduce motion' under accessibility instead of display or even worse 'reduce transparency' hidden even deeper under increase contrast.
A point of clarification. The iPhone doesn't require the PIN if you haven't turned it on in 48 hours but rather, if you haven't used the PIN code in 48 hours, regardless how many times you unlocked the phone using TouchID.
I'm obviously one of the regular iPhone supporters and iOS fans around here but the inconsistencies in the name of security are getting a bit ridiculous. It's frustrating how often I have to manually input my Apple ID password on a device that has TouchID enabled for this functionality.
Really? Interesting. I thought it was because I didn't unlock my phone at all.
That is out of this world silly now. At least let us turn it off.
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That took years. Years. =[ I've always argued that the Apple keyboard was dreadful for many years, even back when the iPhone was the best smartphone.
And yes about menu hierarchy. Or what I call, inconsistencies with settings in general. This, too, I've voiced for many years is a messy and inconsistent experience. The main OS Settings menu is difficult to navigate and find things. Also, settings for certain apps aren't always in the same place. Sometimes it's in the main OS Settings where you have to scroll down to that app; and other times, it's a setting actually within the app. Just frustrating.
You're on point with menu hierarchy. I completely agree.
Really? You can turn off Touch ID and never be bothered with this silliness.
Otherwise I wonder how many people would remember their passwords if they never put it into the phone.
Again, Apple:
Let us be the adults we are; let us be responsible for our own decisions.
I still can't believe people accept that we have to be on WiFi to download updates or large apps. In 2015/2016, we are forced to use WiFi. I ask again, what if I want the app now? What if I can spare the data? What if it's the beginning of the month and my data allotment is fresh and ready? What if it's an important app that I need now? Nope, have to be on WiFi first. What if I'm on the road and there's no WiFi? I have to jump into a Starbucks first to download an app I want on my own device?
Absolutely absurd. Absolutely un-advanced. Like I said, at the very least, let this be optional. Because it's not an unwise security feature, but let it be a toggle.
Let us be the adults we are; let us be responsible for our own decisions.
I still can't believe people accept that we have to be on WiFi to download updates or large apps. In 2015/2016, we are forced to use WiFi. I ask again, what if I want the app now? What if I can spare the data? What if it's the beginning of the month and my data allotment is fresh and ready? What if it's an important app that I need now? Nope, have to be on WiFi first. What if I'm on the road and there's no WiFi? I have to jump into a Starbucks first to download an app I want on my own device?
Absolutely absurd. Absolutely un-advanced. Like I said, at the very least, let this be optional. Because it's not an unwise security feature, but let it be a toggle.
Yep, if you want Apple/iOS that is what you get. Some of which is preaching to the choir.
But I like the un advanced; I deal with advanced "issues" all day long and am grateful for the lack of options on my phone.
But I like the un advanced; I deal with advanced "issues" all day long and am grateful for the lack of options on my phone.
Seriously considering this as my next fanboiesq signature.
Okay you do it.
However at least you can quote the entire post(if I wanted to tweak my phone until the cows came home I wouldn't have gotten an iPhone) and not the last sentence.
It's a shame I have no choice but to use an iPhone for work, but thankfully it's not my daily driver.
I'm very excited about the potential of the iPhone 7. Redesign, and rumored features that'll finally appear on the iPhone (ie. wireless charging, quick charging, etc.), but using my iPhone 5S now with iOS 9 is a painful reminder why I left iOS in the first place. And a pretty fair warning for me to not to get back to the iPhone unless things change in iOS 10.
But even beyond my own personal usage, I am amazed to see see how people can tolerate such inconveniences in the daily iOS experience. Can't download unless on WiFi? Inconsistent menu navigation? Inconsistent keyboards and security features. Sometimes Touch ID, sometimes pin/passwords?
Any of these things would be shredded to pieces if it was a Samsung/Touchwiz issue or general Android issue. Anywhere else and these inconsistencies would not be called "advanced." Anywhere else but Apple.
I'm very excited about the potential of the iPhone 7. Redesign, and rumored features that'll finally appear on the iPhone (ie. wireless charging, quick charging, etc.), but using my iPhone 5S now with iOS 9 is a painful reminder why I left iOS in the first place. And a pretty fair warning for me to not to get back to the iPhone unless things change in iOS 10.
But even beyond my own personal usage, I am amazed to see see how people can tolerate such inconveniences in the daily iOS experience. Can't download unless on WiFi? Inconsistent menu navigation? Inconsistent keyboards and security features. Sometimes Touch ID, sometimes pin/passwords?
Any of these things would be shredded to pieces if it was a Samsung/Touchwiz issue or general Android issue. Anywhere else and these inconsistencies would not be called "advanced." Anywhere else but Apple.
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My experience is the exact opposite. Just dumped my SP3 after months of issues post Windows 10 update while El Capitan update on my Air was flawless.
My SP3 was so useless I went back to two devices. Plenty of complaints on Surface forums about the SP3, SP4 and Surface Book so if you think the grass is greener on the other side, you're forgetting how dismal Microsoft's quality control is. All my consultants were issued SP3's and have had issues since Windows 10
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