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C DM

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A point of clarification. The iPhone doesn't require the PIN if you haven't turned it on in 48 hours but rather, if you haven't used the PIN code in 48 hours, regardless how many times you unlocked the phone using TouchID. :confused: I just had to do the same thing and it's my daily driver.

I'm obviously one of the regular iPhone supporters and iOS fans around here but the inconsistencies in the name of security are getting a bit ridiculous. It's frustrating how often I have to manually input my Apple ID password on a device that has TouchID enabled for this functionality. :(
I pretty much never use the passcode/PIN at all (simply using TouchID) and have never even seen the 48 hours prompt.
 

C DM

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Again, Apple:

Let us be the adults we are; let us be responsible for our own decisions.

I still can't believe people accept that we have to be on WiFi to download updates or large apps. In 2015/2016, we are forced to use WiFi. I ask again, what if I want the app now? What if I can spare the data? What if it's the beginning of the month and my data allotment is fresh and ready? What if it's an important app that I need now? Nope, have to be on WiFi first. What if I'm on the road and there's no WiFi? I have to jump into a Starbucks first to download an app I want on my own device?

Absolutely absurd. Absolutely un-advanced. Like I said, at the very least, let this be optional. Because it's not an unwise security feature, but let it be a toggle.
And then you get class action lawsuits because Apple actually improved something (e.g. the whole thing with WiFi Assist).
 
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epicrayban

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And then you get class action lawsuits because Apple actually improved something (e.g. the whole thing with WiFi Assist).

Genuine question, how does Google get away with allowing big app downloads over data?

Whenever there's a large app, the Play Store warns you this is a large app and recommends you to download over WiFi. Then asks whether you'd like to continue with data or switch to WiFi.

Can't Apple do this, too?

EDIT: Ditto with software updates if I'm not mistaken. Google recommends downloading the update via WiFi, but doesn't force you to.
 

C DM

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Genuine question, how does Google get away with allowing big app downloads over data?

Whenever there's a large app, the Play Store warns you this is a large app and recommends you to download over WiFi. Then asks whether you'd like to continue with data or switch to WiFi.

Can't Apple do this, too?
They probably can. Just as they can get class action lawsuits filed against them that they have to deal with.
 

epicrayban

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They probably can.

And they probably should. I share the same sentiment as Tbayrgs on this subject:

I'm obviously one of the regular iPhone supporters and iOS fans around here but the inconsistencies in the name of security are getting a bit ridiculous. It's frustrating how often I have to manually input my Apple ID password on a device that has TouchID enabled for this functionality. :(

If Apple offers a warning, then gives you the option (ie. putting the choice in your hands) to continue with data or switch to the recommended WiFi, doesn't that cover their bases legally?

The solution surely shouldn't be to force people not to be able to download an app to their own phone, right? Like I asked in the earlier post that you quoted: what if I need an important app that just so happens to be too big to download? And who decides what's "too big?" Why does Apple get to decide that? Shouldn't that be my choice based on my own data plan? What if I can't get to WiFi for some time? I basically can't get the app. Or what if my data allotment is unlimited or it's the beginning of my new cycle and I can spare the data?

These are limitations in the name of security that doesn't need to exist (Android seems to have the correct solution) that causes an inconsistent experience.
 

C DM

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And they probably should. I share the same sentiment as Tbayrgs on this subject:



If Apple offers a warning, then gives you the option (ie. putting the choice in your hands) to continue with data or switch to the recommended WiFi, doesn't that cover their bases legally?

The solution surely shouldn't be to force people not to be able to download an app to their own phone, right? Like I asked in the earlier post that you quoted: what if I need an important app that just so happens to be too big to download? And who decides what's "too big?" Why does Apple get to decide that? Shouldn't that be my choice based on my own data plan? What if I can't get to WiFi for some time? I basically can't get the app. Or what if my data allotment is unlimited or it's the beginning of my new cycle and I can spare the data?

These are limitations in the name of security that doesn't need to exist (Android seems to have the correct solution) that causes an inconsistent experience.
That is how it's implemented in iOS. If that is something that is of importance to someone then they have to weigh that against everything else and decide for themselves if it's worth going with iOS or not. It's not to say that plenty of things could be different or better, but it is to say that's what they are like and it's what iOS has been for years and has been by design to a large degree, which is something that is well known.
 

tbayrgs

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Genuine question, how does Google get away with allowing big app downloads over data?

Whenever there's a large app, the Play Store warns you this is a large app and recommends you to download over WiFi. Then asks whether you'd like to continue with data or switch to WiFi.

Can't Apple do this, too?

EDIT: Ditto with software updates if I'm not mistaken. Google recommends downloading the update via WiFi, but doesn't force you to.

Of course they could, but choose not too probably to avoid potential headaches that C DM mentions.

And I'm not disagreeing with you as I think a pop-up warning with the ability to turn it off would be more than adequate but at the same time, there certainly is no ground swell of support for this either--I'll be honest, yours is the first comment I've ever read about it anywhere and it's something I'd never thought about much less had issue with.
 
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I7guy

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:(

For all the claims that iOS is super easy to use and streamlined and user-friendly, it's proving not.

The inconsistencies abound are staggering and really mar the experience on iOS. Sure, I'm used to Android, but regardless of that fact, iOS is inconsistent. And worse, inconsistent at stuff that is used day to day. Downloading apps and navigating backwards all should be a consistent and easy experience. But it's not.

Even the diehard Apple "fans" (i7guy) said it was, quote, "difficult" to finally get used to navigating through iOS. Took years, if I remember his post correctly.

That is sad.
It did take a while to get used to but you have to remember I had a blackberry for 4 years with a keyboard.
 

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I pretty much never use the passcode/PIN at all (simply using TouchID) and have never even seen the 48 hours prompt.
Me either. I only see it when I restart my phone (and that is also the only time I have to enter it for the App Store).



Mike
 

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A point of clarification. The iPhone doesn't require the PIN if you haven't turned it on in 48 hours but rather, if you haven't used the PIN code in 48 hours, regardless how many times you unlocked the phone using TouchID. :confused: I just had to do the same thing and it's my daily driver.
That is not the iPhone that requires that: it is your company. The requirement to enter a passcode every 48 hours is not coming from the iphone, it is coming from your Exchange/Outlook profile from your company.

Apple is clear that it only requires the passcode when the iPhone has not been unlocked for 48 hours:

Apple is clear that it only requires the passcode when the iPhone has not been unlocked for 48 hours:
To configure Touch ID, you must first set up a passcode. Touch ID is designed to minimize the input of your passcode; but your passcode will be needed for additional security validation:

  • After restarting your device
  • When more than 48 hours have elapsed from the last time you unlocked your device
  • To enter the Touch ID & Passcode setting
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204587

If you don't have any profiles loaded it could be a bug. But it is not designed to ask you for a passcode merely because 48 hours has passed.



Mike
 
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tbayrgs

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That is not the iPhone that requires that: it is your company. The requirement to enter a passcode every 48 hours is not coming from the iphone, it is coming from your Exchange/Outlook profile from your company.

Apple is clear that it only requires the passcode when the iPhone has not been unlocked for 48 hours:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204587


Mike

Well, considering this is my personal device, something is surely amiss--I had to input my passcode when I first unlocked it this morning with the exact message displayed on epicrayban's screen shot. It's probably the 3rd or 4th time I've seen in required. Considering I'm also have the chronic Apple ID manual password issue when I have the device set up to use TouchID for it, it could be a related issue.

I think I'm going to break down, do a backup and restore tonight to see if that makes a difference--it's the only measure I have yet to try.
 

Tinmania

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Well, considering this is my personal device, something is surely amiss--I had to input my passcode when I first unlocked it this morning with the exact message displayed on epicrayban's screen shot. It's probably the 3rd or 4th time I've seen in required. Considering I'm also have the chronic Apple ID manual password issue when I have the device set up to use TouchID for it, it could be a related issue.

I think I'm going to break down, do a backup and restore tonight to see if that makes a difference--it's the only measure I have yet to try.
Are you on 9.1? Prior versions of 9.x could have a bug with this issue. Is a profile perhaps still loaded? Regardless, it is not designed to ask for a passcode simply because 48 hours have transpired.



Mike
 

tbayrgs

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Are you on 9.1? Prior versions of 9.x could have a bug with this issue. Is a profile perhaps still loaded? Regardless, it is not designed to ask for a passcode simply because 48 hours have transpired.



Mike

I'm on 9.1--was originally installed as part of the public beta but I've since deleted the profile and restored a while back. It may very well be a lingering bug associated with the beta profile--who knows. I've disabled everything related to TouchID and Passcodes, am making an encrypted backup on iTunes (ugh) and will erase/reset the phone before restoring. If that doesn't help, not sure which route to take next.
 

epicrayban

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For the record, there are inconsistencies or stupid and unnecessary things with touch wiz as well. And if you dig through the s6 thread you'll see I voice them there. For example needing to warn me what airplane mode does every time I want to toggle it on. Or the volume level warning once in a while randomly popping up to warn me about high volume. It's ridiculous and annoying and Samsung shouldn't baby us like this. One warning, fine. But every time I toggle airplane mode? Every. Single. Time.

Back to topic....
 
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I'm on 9.1--was originally installed as part of the public beta but I've since deleted the profile and restored a while back. It may very well be a lingering bug associated with the beta profile--who knows. I've disabled everything related to TouchID and Passcodes, am making an encrypted backup on iTunes (ugh) and will erase/reset the phone before restoring. If that doesn't help, not sure which route to take next.
Restoring will probably bring the bug back. It is a bug though, and not an inconsistency in operation that was by-design. I only hope by commenting that I didn't catch it too. ;)


Mike
 
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Restoring will probably bring the bug back. It is a bug though, and not an inconsistency in operation that was by-design. I only hope by commenting that I didn't catch it too. ;)


Mike

I'm hoping it is somehow tied to the old beta profile, lingering around somewhere, and that first erasing will clear that out. I'll share my results later. Fingers crossed.
 

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My experience is the exact opposite. Just dumped my SP3 after months of issues post Windows 10 update while El Capitan update on my Air was flawless.

My SP3 was so useless I went back to two devices. Plenty of complaints on Surface forums about the SP3, SP4 and Surface Book so if you think the grass is greener on the other side, you're forgetting how dismal Microsoft's quality control is. All my consultants were issued SP3's and have had issues since Windows 10

Really? I've had my SP3 since Jan (was a PhD grad present) and I've found it to be an awesome little machine. My rMBP on the other hand has wireless issues, overheats etc. Apple keep telling me its a "software issue" yet despite formatting it still has the same issues. Sick of being palmed off by the "geniuses" in the Apple store.
 

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For the record, there are inconsistencies or stupid and unnecessary things with touch wiz as well. And if you dig through the s6 thread you'll see I voice them there. For example needing to warn me what airplane mode does every time I want to toggle it on. Or the volume level warning once in a while randomly popping up to warn me about high volume. It's ridiculous and annoying and Samsung shouldn't baby us like this. One warning, fine. But every time I toggle airplane mode? Every. Single. Time.

Back to topic....

That bloody headphone warning drives me nuts. Every damn time !!!
 

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Really? I've had my SP3 since Jan (was a PhD grad present) and I've found it to be an awesome little machine. My rMBP on the other hand has wireless issues, overheats etc. Apple keep telling me its a "software issue" yet despite formatting it still has the same issues. Sick of being palmed off by the "geniuses" in the Apple store.

Windows 8 was stable, despite the fact that I hated it without having Start8. Windows 10 was less stable than a third world economy.

Sadly, I would have probably ordered a Surface Book if my upgrade had been clean and problem free, but 2 reinstalls and no less than 20 issues was enough to convince me that I wanted nothing to do with MS.
 

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Windows 8 was stable, despite the fact that I hated it without having Start8. Windows 10 was less stable than a third world economy.

Windows 10 has been rock solid for me. Its been in fact much better then windows 8.1 I'm not saying you're wrong, but my experience has been the polar opposite.
 

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Windows 8 was stable, despite the fact that I hated it without having Start8. Windows 10 was less stable than a third world economy.

Sadly, I would have probably ordered a Surface Book if my upgrade had been clean and problem free, but 2 reinstalls and no less than 20 issues was enough to convince me that I wanted nothing to do with MS.
I have Windows 10 on one laptop and a VM using VMware Fusions on m,y iMac. Both have been a huge upgrade over Win8 IMHO. I haven't any issues with Win10.
 

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The locked down nature of iOS causes this, of course. The keyboards on iOS act more as Apps than as actual OS feature. As a result, the implementation is spotty.
When I use my banks app on my Note 4 or Note Edge, I get a warning that the swype keyboard is not secure and that my password could be compromised. I don't get that warning on iOS using my banks app.
 

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When I use my banks app on my Note 4 or Note Edge, I get a warning that the swype keyboard is not secure and that my password could be compromised. I don't get that warning on iOS using my banks app.
I have used a lot of keyboards when I had a Note 4 and never received a warning like that. I have used Swype on my Note 5 using the BofA and Chase and Schwab apps with no warnings at all.
 

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I have used a lot of keyboards when I had a Note 4 and never received a warning like that. I have used Swype on my Note 5 using the BofA and Chase and Schwab apps with no warnings at all.
I don't doubt it so here is a picture to show you the warning. The app wouldn't let me do a screen cap giving me the warning that the app is DRM protected. It also wouldn't let me screen cap using the pen. This is on my Note Edge. I had to take a pic using my iPhone.

The app is Bank of the West.
 

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I don't doubt it so here is a picture to show you the warning. The app wouldn't let me do a screen cap giving me the warning that the app is DRM protected. It also wouldn't let me screen cap using the pen. This is on my Note Edge. I had to take a pic using my iPhone.

The app is Bank of the West.
Hmmmmm looks more like a warning from your banking app than an OS issue. Have you had any warnings from Android or any other apps outside of your banking app?
 
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