Some days I feel like ditching Apple

[JackieInCo]

Hmmmmm looks more like a warning from your banking app than an OS issue. Have you had any warnings from Android or any other apps outside of your banking app?

I never said it wasn't a warning from the OS, it is a warning when opening the app each and every time. I have never seen any other such warnings when using other apps but this is the only really important app I use on as far as finances go on any of my devices.

I opened the same app on my Nexus 4 running KitKat and got a similar warning. This one is more detailed but gives me the warning that using the app on JAILBROKEN devices increases the risk of malware or infection. Again, the app wouldn't allow me to screen cap it due to DRM of the app. I like the use of the word jailbroken on an Android device.

 

[jamezr]

I never said it wasn't a warning from the OS, it is a warning when opening the app each and every time. I have never seen any other such warnings when using other apps but this is the only really important app I use on as far as finances go on any of my devices.

I opened the same app on my Nexus 4 running KitKat and got a similar warning. This one is more detailed but gives me the warning that using the app on JAILBROKEN devices increases the risk of malware or infection. Again, the app wouldn't allow me to screen cap it due to DRM of the app. I like the use of the word jailbroken on an Android device.

Ha! Yeah that is a messed up app if it warns about using a jailbroken device while on Android! Curious is your phone rooted?

 

[JackieInCo]

Ha! Yeah that is a messed up app if it warns about using a jailbroken device while on Android! Curious is your phone rooted?

Yes. All my phones and tablets are rooted/jailbroken. I mostly do that to block ads in apps as well as my browsers using Adaway.

 

[jamezr]

Yes. All my phones and tablets are rooted/jailbroken. I mostly do that to block ads in apps as well as my browsers using Adaway.

Then that is why you are getting that message from your banking app. It just has the incorrect info in the warning message.

 

[JackieInCo]

Then that is why you are getting that message from your banking app. It just has the incorrect info in the warning message.

Of course it is. I only posted the first screen cap to show that I get the security warning when using the Swype keyboard on my Note 4/Note Edge where I don't get it on my iPhone/iPad.

 

[epicrayban]

That bloody headphone warning drives me nuts. Every damn time !!!

It's really the dumbest thing.

 

[khha4113]

It's really the dumbest thing.

It is, but I understand Samsung just doesn't want to get sued if someone get hurt because the sound is too loud!

 

[JackieInCo]

It is, but I understand Samsung just doesn't want to get sued if someone get hurt because the sound is too loud!

It's just like the warning on the cup of McDonald's coffee. They got sued once and the warning covers their rears now.

 

[epicrayban]

Agree with a lot here:

What happened to Apple design?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9872746/apple-bad-hardware-design-iphone-case-pencil-magic-mouse

He's lenient on the iPhone 6 generation design but I've always said its the ugliest iPhone. And not necessarily because of the camera bump, but more so with those unsightly lines around the top and bottom of the back of the device.

Anyway, what's going on at apple and their attention to design detail? I won't cry that apple isbdoomed without Jobs but the article has its point too. And it addresses an underlying feeling I've had about apple the past few years.

 

[C DM]

Agree with a lot here:

What happened to Apple design?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9872746/apple-bad-hardware-design-iphone-case-pencil-magic-mouse

He's lenient on the iPhone 6 generation design but I've always said its the ugliest iPhone. And not necessarily because of the camera bump, but more so with those unsightly lines around the top and bottom of the back of the device.

Anyway, what's going on at apple and their attention to design detail? I won't cry that apple isbdoomed without Jobs but the article has its point too. And it addresses an underlying feeling I've had about apple the past few years.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (at least as far as "ugly" and all that is concerned).

 

[spinedoc77]

My experience is the exact opposite. Just dumped my SP3 after months of issues post Windows 10 update while El Capitan update on my Air was flawless.

My SP3 was so useless I went back to two devices. Plenty of complaints on Surface forums about the SP3, SP4 and Surface Book so if you think the grass is greener on the other side, you're forgetting how dismal Microsoft's quality control is. All my consultants were issued SP3's and have had issues since Windows 10

The grass is definitely greener on the other side, you couldn't pry my surface pro out of my cold dead hands, it's one of the most useful devices I've ever bought in my entire life. But a bit off topic anyway. On the iPhone I agree, their is some silly stuff. My iPhone 6s+ is in a drawer upstairs, I've been using a Note 5 the past couple of weeks. I really like things on Android like turning off security if I'm near a location or a Bluetooth trusted device, it gets VERY annoying constantly fiddling with the iPhone fp sensor. That 48 hour lockout of fingerprint access is just silly, but I guess not a big deal.

That's the fear I have for the iPhone 7. It will most likely be incredibly beautiful like the 6s+, but continue to be limited like iOS9. I do like my 6s+ though and wish I could combine it with my Note 5 somehow.

 

[spinedoc77]

Agree with a lot here:

What happened to Apple design?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9872746/apple-bad-hardware-design-iphone-case-pencil-magic-mouse

He's lenient on the iPhone 6 generation design but I've always said its the ugliest iPhone. And not necessarily because of the camera bump, but more so with those unsightly lines around the top and bottom of the back of the device.

Anyway, what's going on at apple and their attention to design detail? I won't cry that apple isbdoomed without Jobs but the article has its point too. And it addresses an underlying feeling I've had about apple the past few years.

The 6 series is beautiful IMO, the hardware is what is the strong point for Apple. iOS9 isn't a strong point IMO and if the 6 series wasn't so beautiful and well made I doubt I'd look twice at iOS9.

 

[I7guy]

Agree with a lot here:

What happened to Apple design?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9872746/apple-bad-hardware-design-iphone-case-pencil-magic-mouse

He's lenient on the iPhone 6 generation design but I've always said its the ugliest iPhone. And not necessarily because of the camera bump, but more so with those unsightly lines around the top and bottom of the back of the device.

Anyway, what's going on at apple and their attention to design detail? I won't cry that apple isbdoomed without Jobs but the article has its point too. And it addresses an underlying feeling I've had about apple the past few years.

While the battery case is kind of fugly there is no doubt. The other stuff is nitpicking. The pencil is only supposed to charge for about 15 seconds; you hold it. Ever get a shot in the arm that takes about 10 seconds? Did the doc ever flinch and have the needle break off in your arm? I don't think the 15 seconds to get a basic charge is an issue for the pencil in the ipad pro; it's actually an ingenious design. To charge longer than 15 seconds you use the lightning male to male adapter.

The mouse? I have a house full of rechargeable devices that can't be used while charging.

As far as IOS 9, that's been pretty much beaten in other threads. The only thing I'll say is the first time my ipad 2 rang with an incoming call, I was a bit surprised. Some cool features in there.

 

[epicrayban]

While the battery case is kind of fugly there is no doubt. The other stuff is nitpicking. The pencil is only supposed to charge for about 15 seconds; you hold it. Ever get a shot in the arm that takes about 10 seconds? Did the doc ever flinch and have the needle break off in your arm? I don't think the 15 seconds to get a basic charge is an issue for the pencil in the ipad pro; it's actually an ingenious design. To charge longer than 15 seconds you use the lightning male to male adapter.

The mouse? I have a house full of rechargeable devices that can't be used while charging.

As far as IOS 9, that's been pretty much beaten in other threads. The only thing I'll say is the first time my ipad 2 rang with an incoming call, I was a bit surprised. Some cool features in there.

I don't bother replying to many of your posts as its an exercise in futility, but I can't resist just this one. If you'll allow me, please:

Ahem...

Oh, so you have things in your home that recharge whilst preventing you from using it? Kind of like saying it's nornal. Implying that it's not bad design to let this happen. That the magic mouse charging port isn't bad design? You know what. I kind of agree! That's really my least offense in that article. So I'm with you..!

Well!

I, too, seem to have things in my home that are supposed to be inserted only one way. Inserting it the other way would be damaging. Pretty normal, I think. Kind of like... Hmm... The s-pen slot on the note 5!

So... That must not be bad design either based on your explanation for the magic mouse. Right?

Oh but wait, oops, that's totally not what you said before of the note 5.

Gosh darn, color me confused. How did you arrive at two very different responses given your own criteria; one apologetic and favoring toward an apple product, and the other accusatory and hating toward a Samsung product.

How indeed. How indeed.

 

[I7guy]

Don't bother arguing. His avatar is the thing that keeps the iPad Pro as a valid PC replacement.

Actually my avatar is a lift off from the Apple developer website; doesn't represent an iPad pro. But nice try.

 

[I7guy]

I don't bother replying to many of your posts as its an exercise in futility, but I can't resist just this one. If you'll allow me, please:

Ahem...

Oh, so you have things in your home that recharge whilst preventing you from using it? Kind of like saying it's nornal. Implying that it's not bad design to let this happen. That the magic mouse charging port isn't bad design? You know what. I kind of agree! That's really my least offense in that article. So I'm with you..!

Well!

I, too, seem to have things in my home that are supposed to be inserted only one way. Inserting it the other way would be damaging. Pretty normal, I think. Kind of like... Hmm... The s-pen slot on the note 5!

So... That must not be bad design either based on your explanation for the magic mouse. Right?

Oh but wait, oops, that's totally not what you said before of the note 5.

Gosh darn, color me confused. How did you arrive at two very different responses given your own criteria; one apologetic and favoring toward an apple product, and the other accusatory and hating toward a Samsung product.

How indeed. How indeed.

I'll allow you a response, a civil discussion gee whiz. The s pen inserted wrong can basically break the device...yes there are ways to get it out. The Apple pencil sure if you're a klutz within 15 seconds you can break it, but there are innumerable rechargeable tech devices that have the charging plug and wires sticking out in a fashion that can damage the device if you are klutzy. It's happened in my house my wife's laptop hit the floor due to her foot getting caught in the charging cable(lucky it didn't break Hitting tile)Here you are supposed to charge the pencil for 15 seconds without breaking it. Can one do that; maybe. Can it break maybe? Who knows, time will be the judge if the design.

The mouse, time will be the judge of that as well.

And by the way "the accusatory and hating" stuff I guess it works both ways.

Ps I have a bunch of Samsung built products in my home; just no mobile devices.

 

[Blaze4G]

While the battery case is kind of fugly there is no doubt. The other stuff is nitpicking. The pencil is only supposed to charge for about 15 seconds; you hold it. Ever get a shot in the arm that takes about 10 seconds? Did the doc ever flinch and have the needle break off in your arm? I don't think the 15 seconds to get a basic charge is an issue for the pencil in the ipad pro; it's actually an ingenious design. To charge longer than 15 seconds you use the lightning male to male adapter.

The mouse? I have a house full of rechargeable devices that can't be used while charging.

As far as IOS 9, that's been pretty much beaten in other threads. The only thing I'll say is the first time my ipad 2 rang with an incoming call, I was a bit surprised. Some cool features in there.

The pencil is not so bad since it only requires 15 seconds like you said...it does look weird though.

But when it comes to the mouse you are clearly making excuses... "have a house full of rechargeable devices that can't be used while charging."

It is like saying " I can do x because everybody does it" doing x is morally wrong but because everybody does it makes it okay?

If your iPhone could not be used while charging it would be fine because there are many devices in your house that can't be used while charging right?

I use Bluetooth headphones, Bluetooth mouse and a Bluetooth keyboard. All can be charged while using it and I do this many times. If this was not possible I would have to sit and fiddle around until the magic mouse charges...not productive.

 

[I7guy]

The pencil is not so bad since it only requires 15 seconds like you said...it does look weird though.

But when it comes to the mouse you are clearly making excuses... "have a house full of rechargeable devices that can't be used while charging."

It is like saying " I can do x because everybody does it" doing x is morally wrong but because everybody does it makes it okay?

If your iPhone could not be used while charging it would be fine because there are many devices in your house that can't be used while charging right?

I use Bluetooth headphones, Bluetooth mouse and a Bluetooth keyboard. All can be charged while using it and I do this many times. If this was not possible I would have to sit and fiddle around until the magic mouse charges...not productive.

I have Motorola b/t headphones, a no name b/t headphone, b/t selfie stick just to name those that can't be used while charging Also the Fitbits and I'm forgetting some.

As I said we can discuss it here and voice an opinion, but time is the real test.

 

[Blaze4G]

I have Motorola b/t headphones, a no name b/t headphone, b/t selfie stick just to name those that can't be used while charging Also the Fitbits and I'm forgetting some.

As I said we can discuss it here and voice an opinion, but time is the real test.

These products that you have which can't be used while charging still does not make it right. Did you not read my post? "I can do x because everybody does it" doing x is morally wrong but because everybody does it makes it okay?
Stop with the excuses.
For something that suppose to be used in a productive environment (as well as others) you should be able to use it while charging.

But continue to make excuses...I hope Apple comes out with iPhones, iPads and Macbooks so that you can tell others "time will be the real test".

 

[I7guy]

These products that you have which can't be used while charging still does not make it right. Did you not read my post? "I can do x because everybody does it" doing x is morally wrong but because everybody does it makes it okay?
Stop with the excuses.
For something that suppose to be used in a productive environment (as well as others) you should be able to use it while charging.

But continue to make excuses...I hope Apple comes out with iPhones, iPads and Macbooks so that you can tell others "time will be the real test".

Isn't time the real test? You can voice any opinion you want, dislike their products and not buy any...but if their products are successful they will keep designing them as they want. And we'll , maybe not all of us, will be here discussing this.

 

[tbayrgs]

Agree with a lot here:

What happened to Apple design?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9872746/apple-bad-hardware-design-iphone-case-pencil-magic-mouse

He's lenient on the iPhone 6 generation design but I've always said its the ugliest iPhone. And not necessarily because of the camera bump, but more so with those unsightly lines around the top and bottom of the back of the device.

Anyway, what's going on at apple and their attention to design detail? I won't cry that apple isbdoomed without Jobs but the article has its point too. And it addresses an underlying feeling I've had about apple the past few years.

While there's certainly some validity to the article, it also strikes me as sort of 'click-baity'. I think the ability to recharge the Pencil directly from an iDevice without the need for another cable/cradle/dock is actually a great design--it's the equivalent of having prongs pop out of your smartphone that allow you to directly plug it into a wall outlet, then disappear from view entirely when not needed. If it took longer than 15 seconds to get a few more hours of use, I could see more concern but come on--15 secs is what we're talking about. Lie your iPad down if it's that concerning. The mouse--yeah, agree not a great design in regards to recharging but again, it's designed to last much longer than a single day on a charge so just plug it in when you're done for the day. The design in fact seems very much like Apple because including a charging port on the end that would allow it to be charged ruin the sleek, flowing contours. Form over function--not a foreign concept to Apple. The keyboard case also seems quite nit picky. Yes, Microsoft's type case lie's flat but it also isn't responsible for holding the SP4 upright. Apple chose to reduce the device size by not including an integrated kickstand--allowing the smart keyboard to lie perfectly flat would require an entire redesign of the iPP--so they should redesign the core product from the ground up to accommodate an accessory. And the hump in the keyboard is quite subtle.

Now the battery case--there are no excuses for that abomination. There is no functional advantage that can explain away the hideous design. There is no 'beauty in they eye of the beholder' here. Others have already done the battery case and have done it far better, with nicer aesthetics, and of course at a better price. This product truly is a bit confounding and I'm quite surprised Apple released it.

 

[AustinIllini]

Here's a better article on the subject.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/how-apple-is-giving-design-a-bad-name

 

[andreyirra]

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Now the battery case--there are no excuses for that abomination. There is no functional advantage that can explain away the hideous design. There is no 'beauty in they eye of the beholder' here. Other's have already done the battery case and have done it far better, with nicer aesthetics, and of course at a better price. This product truly is a bit confounding and I'm quite surprised Apple released it.

Tne ony thing that comes to mind is the flexibility of the case. If the cell batteries used up all the back of the case then it would be flexible and would need to be teared apart in 2 pieces or something.

 

[epicrayban]

I use a Logitech wireless rechargeable mouse at home. I believe it's the MX mouse. It recharges in the front. The port allows you to charge while still using it. Lovely device.

The magic mouse can be designed better. Apple just chose not to.

 

[jamezr]

Agree with a lot here:

What happened to Apple design?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9872746/apple-bad-hardware-design-iphone-case-pencil-magic-mouse

He's lenient on the iPhone 6 generation design but I've always said its the ugliest iPhone. And not necessarily because of the camera bump, but more so with those unsightly lines around the top and bottom of the back of the device.

Anyway, what's going on at apple and their attention to design detail? I won't cry that apple isbdoomed without Jobs but the article has its point too. And it addresses an underlying feeling I've had about apple the past few years.

This is coming from the usually very friendly iVerge.
I think Apple chose aesthetics over function with the IPP. By not including a buitin kickstand it forced them into design compromises with the keyboard.
The pencil charging from the IPP lightning port is not good design IMHO.
iPad sales have not been great the last few years. The iPad is a great tablet and doesn't need to be upgraded every year. Apple needed another product to give people a reason to buy another iPad
The Surface Pro line has been gaining momentum. Apple wanted to emulate the Surface Pro to add another product to the tablet space for them.
This their first foray into this space. I think the IPP is a good first step for them. But I feel the next gen will correct some of the problems some are reporting. BUT i don't think Apple will ever include a buitin kickstand. It goes against all of their design past design direction.
EDIt.....
Look at the rumor that Apple is going to remove the headphone jack from the iPhone 7.
I know it is just a rumor but it does seem to follow the trend for them.