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Robisan

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You need the Logitech software. Free online. Everything works perfectly with my mx on every osx machine I have once I got that installed and picked my button layout etc.
Logitech software solved the button issue but not the stuttering, jerky pointer performance. Works much better with BTT. Whole thing was just so uncivilized compared to Windows plug and play. ;)
 

epicrayban

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Logitech software solved the button issue but not the stuttering, jerky pointer performance. Works much better with BTT. Whole thing was just so uncivilized compared to Windows plug and play. ;)

Oh, strange. Scrolling is no issue for my MX on any of my macs. Sorry.
 

Cole Slaw

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If it's truly all subjective, then why do we bother discussing design at all? Why do we regard Apple as the leader in designing tech? This history and title cannot be ignored. Apple is often regarded as the leader in design, and in many instances, they're correct (I just bought a new Thunderbolt display at home in part due to its features, and in part due to its gorgeous and clean design).

If you don't feel like having a discussion about design because it's all subjective, why participate? You're free to, of course, but it's detracting from our current conversation. There is an objective and subjective point of discussion when it comes to all things; we're attempting to have an objective one. When it comes time for individual users to decide whether they want to buy it, whether they like it, etc. or not, that's when you can discuss subjectivity. And when that conversation happens, I'll be with you.
You ought to know that on this forum there are a lot of people who can't tolerate any form of criticism of Apple.
For them Apple is not just a huge corporation, it's reached almost cult-like or religious status, thus the zealous defence of all things Apple.
 
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AustinIllini

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You ought to know that on this forum there are a lot of people who can't tolerate any form of criticism of Apple.
For them Apple is not just a huge corporation, it's reached almost cult-like or religious status, thus the zealous defence of all things Apple.
Exactly. Before this Alternatives board the iPhone board used to get really ugly.
 

jamezr

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Some days I wish for the old Apple....when a design like this would never see the light of day.
Rumor has it Apple is getting rid of the headphone jack on the iphone 7 to make it thinner.
So I guess we will need this case to make up for the loss of battery?


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C DM

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Some days I wish for the old Apple....when a design like this would never see the light of day.
Rumor has it Apple is getting rid of the headphone jack on the iphone 7 to make it thinner.
So I guess we will need this case to make up for the loss of battery?


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Old Apple like the Apple that released iPod Socks?
 

jamezr

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Old Apple like the Apple that released iPod Socks?
More like the one that one that released the iphone and macbook , macbook pro retina, macbook air, ipod etc....
Great designs and ease of use coupled with functionality.
 

C DM

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More like the one that one that released the iphone and macbook , macbook pro retina, macbook air, ipod etc....
Great designs and ease of use coupled with functionality.
Along with various products that didn't appeal to everyone like the iPod Socks, or the extended battery case.
 

C DM

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You ought to know that on this forum there are a lot of people who can't tolerate any form of criticism of Apple.
For them Apple is not just a huge corporation, it's reached almost cult-like or religious status, thus the zealous defence of all things Apple.
By the same logic many of those who have criticisms of Apple are just zealously attacking Apple (basically just because), right? Things are either one extreme or another, it can't just be that there's much more nuance and range to everything since that would just be too pragmatic and real.
 

jamezr

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Along with various products that didn't appeal to everyone like the iPod Socks, or the extended battery case.
Now you are just trying to play devil's advocate. That's ok but some feel apple is getting away from the designs that made them synonymous with great design. they have become obsessed with thinner and thinner products just for the sake of making them thinner. The thinner designs offer no functionality other than being thinner.
But sacrifice battery life in the process. That battery hump case is just plain ugly. My iphone 6s plus is plenty thin enough. I wouldn't mind it a little bit thicker if it meant an extra day of battery life.

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This a nice read on design and ease of use functionality.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/how-apple-is-giving-design-a-bad-name
 
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epicrayban

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Things are either one extreme or another, it can't just be that there's much more nuance and range to everything since that would just be too pragmatic and real.

In some cases, like a certain poster in this thread, the extremism is true. Unfortunately.
 
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I7guy

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Now you are just trying to play devil's advocate. That's ok but some feel apple is getting away from the designs that made them synonymous with great design. they have become obsessed with thinner and thinner products just for the sake of making them thinner. The thinner designs offer no functionality other than being thinner.
But sacrifice battery life in the process. That battery hump case is just plain ugly. My iphone 6s plus is plenty thin enough. I wouldn't mind it a little bit thicker if it meant an extra day of battery life.

apple_iphone_smart_battery_case.jpg




This a nice read on design and ease of use functionality.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/how-apple-is-giving-design-a-bad-name
Them and Samsung and others. Don't need to remind that in process the removable battery and sd card is gone from certain models.
 

jamezr

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Them and Samsung and others. Don't need to remind that in process the removable battery and sd card is gone from certain models.
LOL...this is totally off topic and has nothing to do with what we were talking about.
It has nothing to do with the new Apple smart charging case.
Don't try to derail the topic just because it paints Apple's new case in a bad light.
Then to be honest the iphone has NEVER had those features to begin with.
 
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C DM

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LOL...this is totally off topic and has nothing to do with what we were talking about.
It has nothing to do with the new Apple smart charging case.
Don't try to derail the topic just because it paints Apple's new case in a bad light.
Then to be honest the iphone has NEVER had those features to begin with.
Why does a completely optional accessory paint Apple in any particular light? It's just another accessory that's neither here nor there (unless someone wants to try to read something into it, which is really neither here nor there as well as it's just subjective personal feelings that apply to all kinds of things in life and differ from person to person).
 

jamezr

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Why does a completely optional accessory paint Apple in any particular light? It's just another accessory that's neither here nor there (unless someone wants to try to read something into it, which is really neither here nor there as well as it's just subjective personal feelings that apply to all kinds of things in life and differ from person to person).
thats neither here nor there i guess huh...... because Apple is not known for design or innovation. I guess it's not news worthy when they release something fugly and less than functional compared to the rest of the space.
 

C DM

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thats neither here nor there i guess huh...... because Apple is not known for design or innovation. I guess it's not news worthy when they release something fugly and less than functional compared to the rest of the space.
It's perhaps newsworthy as far as it being released and interested parties talking about it or getting it, but it doesn't have to mean something more than what it simply is--an accessory that was released. Again, things like iPod Socks were released and even under the "old" Apple and they really didn't mean anything one way or another (despite what I'm sure was said by various people at the time).
 

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Why is everyone seeing this Apple Battery Extender as a bad thing in all seriousness? Because Apple released it? All of you do realize that Mophie had been making these cases for iPhones since probably the OG iPhone. Apple is jumping on board with this and profiting. As long as their is iPhone followers, Apple will profit on any accessories they sell.
 

jamezr

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It's perhaps newsworthy as far as it being released and interested parties talking about it or getting it, but it doesn't have to mean something more than what it simply is--an accessory that was released. Again, things like iPod Socks were released and even under the "old" Apple and they really didn't mean anything one way or another (despite what I'm sure was said by various people at the time).
sorry but apologise for them all you want. It bad design....it's ugly and it's less than functional. There are far better looking devices and far better performing ones as well.
 

epicrayban

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The case is making frontpage news across many tech and Apple blogs. I think it's worth discussing. As I said before, if you don't feel like it's worth discussing, why are you discussing it?

Also, you're just isolating the Apple battery pack. As I said in my post and in the article I linked, there is something broader here worth talking about. The battery pack is just one of many design choices worth looking closely at, especially because Apple is heralded as a leader in design and innovation.

Is this conversation really that perplexing? I don't think so. But if it is or isn't worth your time, no one is chaining you to this thread.

S'up to you.

EDIT: Even Tim Cook's talking about it.
 
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C DM

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sorry but apologise for them all you want. It bad design....it's ugly and it's less than functional. There are far better looking devices and far better performing ones as well.
I haven't been apologizing anywhere, not sure where you are getting anything like that from (again, aside from reading into things beyond what is actually there). Ugly doesn't mean bad as it's different for everyone and not ugly for others. Less than functional because other better things are out there? There are lots of things that are better than other things, it doesn't mean that all those things don't have their uses and their customers. Again, seems like more is being read into it than there really is.
 

C DM

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The case is making frontpage news across many tech and Apple blogs. I think it's worth discussing. As I said before, if you don't feel like it's worth discussing, why are you discussing it?

Also, you're just isolating the Apple battery pack. As I said in my post and in the article I linked, there is something broader here worth talking about. The battery pack is just one of many design choices worth looking closely at, especially because Apple is heralded as a leader in design and innovation.

Is this conversation really that perplexing? I don't think so. But if it is or isn't worth your time, no one is chaining you to this thread.

S'up to you.

EDIT: Even Tim Cook's talking about it.
It's not that it's not worthy of discussion, it's that there's more being read into it than there really is. People discuss all kinds of things like the latest fashion trends that appear in the news and articles and all kinds of places, and many of those things are nevertheless fairly inconsequential and don't mean something more than what they are--it's not that they aren't worthy of discussion, just that they don't necessarily mean something more.
 
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I7guy

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LOL...this is totally off topic and has nothing to do with what we were talking about.
It has nothing to do with the new Apple smart charging case.
Don't try to derail the topic just because it paints Apple's new case in a bad light.
Then to be honest the iphone has NEVER had those features to begin with.
LOL! What nonsense.So it's okay for one poster to mention the thinness obsession but not the other? And does the Apple charging case have anything to do with the thread topic?
 

epicrayban

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It's not that it's not worthy of discussion, it's that there's more being read into it than there really is. People discuss all kinds of things like the latest fashion trends that appear in the news and articles and all kinds of places, and many of those things are nevertheless fairly inconsequential and don't mean something more than what they are--it's not that they aren't worthy of discussion, just that they don't necessarily mean something more.

I think that's fair to say. And if you're just looking at just the battery pack, then I think your comment rings more true.

But I think a few people are seeing it as part of something more. At least I am. It's not just the battery pack. For me, it extends all the way to the iPhone 6. And it becomes an even larger talking point when people like i7guy makes an excuse for the Apple magic mouse's design, but fails to play by his own rules when it comes to the Samsung Note 5's design.

This is perhap why this conversation feels bigger than it seems. But it's also not entirely small regardless. Apple is the leader in design. A few -- some might argue even one -- foul up in design taints that prestige they hold. If this was any other case maker, it wouldn't be making frontpage news. This is Apple. And if we're going to call them industry leader in design and innovation, we have to hold them up to that standard. If we don't, well, then we get more battery case designs like that.

I've argued many times before on this topic... we can't keep giving Apple passes. And it's those certain fans that always do. And we have to call them out when we see it. I said this would be detrimental; those fans are the worse kind of fans. It allows for Apple to get away with designs like this, and then sell them by the truckload, absolving them of any responsibility in design. Yet they still want to be called the leader?

(This is slightly off topic, but it's similar to what I've argued in the past... That if Apple really is the industry leader, why are people shocked or upset when others follow their lead. If they're the leader, we have to treat them as such, scrutinize them as such, and stop being shocked when others follow).

Anyway... like I said. Even Tim Cook has to field the question about the battery pack design. This isn't small potatoes. It's worthy of discussion, as you agree. Within that discussion includes whether this is a sign of a larger problem with Apple design or not.
 
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