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C DM

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The reason why I cut it was to prove a point. You can explain all you want, but the first sentence is all I needed to read. All you did was try to justify your first sentence. Hence why I didn't quote any more than that.

I'll tell you this, Samsung did mobile payments right. And they were first with their tech. Google and Apple can't even compare with NFC. Google will soon include that same technology in Android Pay, and Apple will be far behind... Oh and if you don't know, Samsung Pay works on Any POS terminal that has a card swipe since their devices reads off of the magnets. Only thing holding them back is bank support, which all services are struggling on (Apple and Android Pay).
Hence why context and explanations play a role since individual statements on their own can be twisted to support almost anything. (And, look, even with your own example of Samsung Pay, that's only compatible with the latest line of their phones, what took them so long and why couldn't they have done it back when S3 or Note2 phones were out?)
 

Seiga

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Hence why context and explanations play a role since individual statements on their own can be twisted to support almost anything. (And, look, even with your own example of Samsung Pay, that's only compatible with the latest line of their phones, what took them so long and why couldn't they have done it back when S3 or Note2 phones were out?)

To answer your Samsung inquiry... The Technology wasn't there. And now it is. It's like asking why don't we have hyperspace travel now... oh wait, don't have the technology yet. Rebuttal me all you want, the points I have made are quantitative and aren't "wishy washy."

Here, i'll make it even easier. Put a 2750 mAH battery into the N6P with USB-Type C still there and I promise you it will charge faster at 3A/15W than what the iPhone 6S+ uses in 1A/5W with max being 1A/12W. Explain to me now how the iPhone charges the same if not faster than the 6P? The only reason why you may see the percentage between the two devices while charging up look the same is because the Nexus 6P has a 3450 mAH battery storage vs. the iPhone 6S+ 2750 mAH capacity. That's a huge difference!
 

C DM

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To answer your Samsung inquiry... The Technology wasn't there. And now it is. It's like asking why don't we have hyperspace travel now... oh wait, don't have the technology yet. Rebuttal me all you want, the points I have made are quantitative and aren't "wishy washy."

Here, i'll make it even easier. Put a 2750 mAH battery into the N6P with USB-Type C still there and I promise you it will charge faster at 3A/15W than what the iPhone 6S+ uses in 1A/5W with max being 1A/12W. Explain to me now how the iPhone charges the same if not faster than the 6P? The only reason why you may see the percentage between the two devices while charging up look the same is because the Nexus 6P has a 3450 mAH battery storage vs. the iPhone 6S+ 2750 mAH capacity. That's a huge difference!
So similarly perhaps the technology for what Apple wanted to use NFC and the way they wanted to use it wasn't there when they were working on 4S?

Also I believe that since the iPhone 6 phones they can charge at 2A if that is provided. (Not sure where the whole battery charging part came into it all.)
 

Seiga

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So similarly perhaps the technology for what Apple wanted to use NFC and the way they wanted to use it wasn't there when they were working on 4S?

Wrong. Samsung Galaxy Nexus had NFC and it came out about the same time the iPhone 4S came out. Hell, Blackberry started to use NFC before either iOS or Android platforms (not much earlier, was May of 2011). For how Apple wanted to use NFC, it was all there. If Apple Pay was implemented a couple of years ago, Apple would have had more banks under their program to make it more main stream (something Google is not good at). It passed all FCC regulations, yet they chose not to add it. I get the 4S not having it, i'll give you that being the first year of commercialized NFC . But not every iPhone after that. It took 3 years after the first phones got NFC that the iPhone got NFC.
 
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Robisan

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"Let's combine a smaller battery with an iPad charger for the iP7 and say it has Apple SuperCharging (tm)" - Tim Cook, probably.
 

C DM

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Wrong. Samsung Galaxy Nexus had NFC and it came out about the same time the iPhone 4S came out. Hell, Blackberry started to use NFC before either iOS or Android platforms (not much earlier, was May of 2011). For how Apple wanted to use NFC, it was all there. If Apple Pay was implemented a couple of years ago, Apple would have had more banks under their program to make it more main stream (something Google is not good at). It passed all FCC regulations, yet they chose not to add it. I get the 4S not having it, i'll give you that being the first year of commercialized NFC . But not every iPhone after that. It took 3 years after the first phones got NFC that the iPhone got NFC.
NFC was there on some older phones but they don't support Samsung Pay nonetheless. If that technology still works just as well as current then why isn't Samsung Pay available on those older devices?

As for Apple being able to do Apple Pay earlier, I don't think there's anything that really shows that aside from just assumptions.

The underlying point is that there's much more nuance to it all than simply lumping in a technology as soon as it is out or in its early stages just because especially when factoring in the use cases and how they fit into everything.
 

Seiga

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NFC was there on some older phones but they don't support Samsung Pay nonetheless.

As for Apple being able to do Apple Pay earlier, I don't think there's anything that really shows that aside from just assumptions.

The underlying point is that there's much more nuance to it all than simply lumping in a technology as soon as it is out or in its early stages just because especially when factoring in the use cases and how they fit into everything.
And you don't think these big name companies don't do use cases? I mean, come on, that would be dumb on their end. Also, the concept of MST (Magnetic Secure Transmission) didn't come out til earlier this year. At least the hardware, and that was developed by LoopPay, which is available for the iPhone BTW.
 

Blaze4G

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"Let's combine a smaller battery with an iPad charger for the iP7 and say it has Apple SuperCharging (tm)" - Tim Cook, probably.

Honestly I think the iPhone 7 will get "fast charging". However I think they will call it "lightning charging". Of course Tim is going to say it is magical and first phone to charge this fast.
 

epicrayban

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Honestly I think the iPhone 7 will get "fast charging". However I think they will call it "lightning charging". Of course Tim is going to say it is magical and first phone to charge this fast.

Probably right.

Like Tim cook this year saying that there has never been anything like live photos before. Hello HTC Zoe.

Can't believe most of the press let him get away with that one.

For the most part though I like Tim cook. Just free up ios a bit more. Cmon. And I guess keep an eye on Ive's designs. Heh.
 
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I7guy

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Probably right.

Like Tim cook this year saying that there has never been anything like live photos before. Hello HTC Zoe.

Can't believe most of the press let him get away with that one.

For the most part though I like Tim cook. Just free up ios a bit more. Cmon. And I guess keep an eye on Ive's designs. Heh.
There is a difference in that Live Photos captures before and after video which Zoe doesn't seem to do.

Also as you know Apple doesn't really invent anything new; iPod, Touch ID, 3D Touch, Apple Pay and whatever else all prior inventions tweaked in a way unique to Apple.
 

Dreads

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the good old days when we all had Nokia 5110 phones and Samsung d500s was such a much simpler way of life nobody gave a toss back then.....!
 

epicrayban

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the good old days when we all had Nokia 5110 phones and Samsung d500s was such a much simpler way of life nobody gave a toss back then.....!

I remember being quite resistant to smartphones back in the blackberry-craze days. Then I got a BB Curve and I became such a big proponent of it, telling everyone they should get on board the smartphone train.

Good ol' days. Ha.

It's really amazing how far we've come now. And a lot of that is thanks to Apple and the iPhone. But the competition has caught up and are now running away with it. But Apple's lead has built them such a large and loyal following that it's hard for people to leave for many good and bad reasons.

And so, here we are. :)
 

Dreads

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Granted I do like my iPhone but now iv just got this remote play to work from this tablet and my ps4 this is the muts nuts:))
 
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MikeAK

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I have. Apple feels like just another mass produced brand. Nowhere near the quality it once was. The price premium isn't worth it for me anymore. It helps that I find Windows10 to be a brilliant OS. Too each their own.
 

nj1266

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You're comparing OS then... Sigh.... Everyone knows iOS is contoured for the iPhone ecosystem. The battery is optimized for that. Android is completely different due to the many manufacturers. Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

And I get 2 days of battery on every day use with the 6P (Dose is amazing on Marshmallow). My wife struggles with everyday use on her 6 Plus having to charge up early evening.

Anecdotal evidence is no replacement for standardized testing. Here is a chart from Anandtech one of the best in the business for such testing

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jamezr

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Anecdotal evidence is no replacement for standardized testing. Here is a chart from Anandtech one of the best in the business for such testing

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The problem with benchmarks and testing like they did for this chart you posted is........wait for it......it doesn't take into affect people's everyday uses. As the poster Seiga said he is basing his experiences based on real life use cases. Him and his wife might be two different kinds of users. They might use their phones differently. But those charts and benchmarks are just baselines...nothing more.

I am not sure Anandtech is the best in the business either.
 
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MikeAK

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The problem with benchmarks and testing like they did for this chart you posted is........wait for it......it doesn't take into affect people's everyday uses. As the poster Seiga said he is basing his experiences based on real life use cases. Him and his wife might be two different kinds of users. They might use their phones differently. But those charts and benchmarks are just baselines...nothing more.

I am not sure Anandtech is the best in the business either.

In my experience real world use differs greatly from all the benchmarks that seem to alway revolve around performance arguments. Everyone has different uses that tax systems differently. I use to rely heavily on benchmarks but no longer.
 
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Blaze4G

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Anecdotal evidence is no replacement for standardized testing. Here is a chart from Anandtech one of the best in the business for such testing

4bdd517803c67a2da6d7c0f09d2f898e.jpg
As others stated, benchmarks are not as useful in real world testing. I have experiences with both the 5x and g4 and they get worse battery life than a 6p in day to day use. However the benchmark states otherwise.
 

The Game 161

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As others stated, benchmarks are not as useful in real world testing. I have experiences with both the 5x and g4 and they get worse battery life than a 6p in day to day use. However the benchmark states otherwise.
It's just a nice stat to build up in arguments but in real world testing it really isn't all that important.
 

Michael Goff

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You're comparing OS then... Sigh.... Everyone knows iOS is contoured for the iPhone ecosystem. The battery is optimized for that. Android is completely different due to the many manufacturers. Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

And I get 2 days of battery on every day use with the 6P (Dose is amazing on Marshmallow). My wife struggles with everyday use on her 6 Plus having to charge up early evening.

I'm guessing your wife uses her phone more than you and would kill the 6P just as easily.
 

The Game 161

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I can't imagine how anybody with the 6S plus would struggle to last through the day while 6P lasts two days. as Most I have seen have said the 6P lasts no more than one working day.
 

Blaze4G

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I can't imagine how anybody with the 6S plus would struggle to last through the day while 6P lasts two days. as Most I have seen have said the 6P lasts no more than one working day.

I agree, the 6s plus / 6 plus still gets better battery life than the 6p by a noticeable amount, I would guess-timate about 1.5 hours more SOT / 5-6 hours more usage in my experience.
 

jamezr

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I agree, the 6s plus / 6 plus still gets better battery life than the 6p by a noticeable amount, I would guess-timate about 1.5 hours more SOT / 5-6 hours more usage in my experience.
I had the 6P (sold it) along side my 6s+ and N5 and it got less battery life of the 3 phones. The 6s+ was tops then the N5 then the 6P despite running stock marshmallow.
 
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