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Some days I feel like ditching Apple
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I agree. Also a few great overtime-clips on 60 Minutes website.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-overtime-can-apple-still-change-the-world/
Uh, no. Well, unless you liked 1990's quality videos and photos and being handcuffed to only your phone for messaging. Even Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger did better than BBM at that over half a decade ago. Whatsapp leapfrogged it.
For me iMessage lets me send a video without worrying if it is "too large" and in addition being able to message from my iPhone, macs, or iPad. BBM wasn't even in the same arena. I was there.
Mike
Obviously you're a passionate Apple defender, your aggressive response reveals all.
You're looking at it wrong. You have to remember that blackberry messenger in its prime was a long time ago. Obviously mobile technology was not as advance to where it is now.
1. Sending photos and videos are low quality - you do realize most blackberries had barely any internal storage right? Top models ranging from 256 MB - 1 GB. Not reducing its size would result in your phone being filled in 2 days of ownership. Not only that, data speeds were much slower to accommodate large file transfer.
2. "only your phone for messaging" - again, technology was not as advance. You do realize that you could only message on your iPhone up to 2011 or there about, right?
3. You can't compare Yahoo Messenger and Msn Messenger which where running on PCs and the mobile versions were unstable.
I will agree iMessage is far more advance and I can see why people would not want to leave it. However just as many persons did not want to give up BB messenger, they ended up doing so as more and more of their family and friends transitioned to Android and iOS. This was the main reason persons stopped using BB messenger, not because of its downfalls that you highlighted.
The same might not happen to iMessage. However it is not out of the realm of possibility. If 5 years down the line 3/4 of your family and friends has moved on to a different messenger....iMessage would no longer look appealing.
"If" being the big question. I dontnthink that most people are going to switch because to most people, a phone is just a phone, and the iPhone, at least in the US, is what most people want and use. My mom, dad, brother, and wife will never switch because the iPhone serves there purposes just fine, there is no need to try something else for them. So when I try out an android phone I miss out on all the stuff my family uses that is Apple centric (mainly iMessage, FaceTime, and shared photos). The only way to get around this is for Apple to release their apps and services cross platform. There is hope for this due to the release of Apple Music, but not much imo.
Yes that must be it. The fact that I stopped using an iPhone in 2012 and only recently got an iPhone 6S Plus, as I also consider a Nexus 6P supports that argument.
Mike
I'm sorry but no. BBM had a 6MB video size limit until last year. Now? Just 16MB, the size of which you must know in advance. That is not much. You don't even have to think about video size with iMessage and it is a feature I missed for the 3 years I was using Android. WhatsApp is not much better. iMessage dynamically compresses a video--not its length--depending on whether it is sent on wifi, 3G, 4G, or 2G. No muss, no fuss.
iMessage has also steadily improved since I used it regularly 3 years ago. When switching back to an iPhone I figured I would miss the ability to text--standard SMS--from my macs using Airdroid. But to me iMessage is actually better at it then Airdroid (e.g, could not see MMS messages in Airdroid). And now I don't even need my iPhone in Wifi range to send standard SMS messages from iMessage from my macs or iPad (AT&T is my carrier).
BTW, I hated Hangouts so don't even go there.
Mike
Regarding the highlighted above...as you said, a phone is just a phone. Your mom or dad may walk into a store when they are due for an upgrade and see an android phone for half the price. The sales agent shows them and tells them it does the same thing as an iPhone...as you said...to most people a phone is just a phone.
All it takes is one person to switch....one person to love the look of X phone and decide to switch. Your mom could drop her phone tomorrow and break the screen. She may then decide let me get something cheaper this time so if it breaks it is not such a big deal. These are just random scenarios that is not specific to your parents or family.
I'm sorry but no. BBM had a 6MB video size limit until last year. Now? Just 16MB, the size of which you must know in advance. That is not much. You don't even have to think about video size with iMessage and it is a feature I missed for the 3 years I was using Android. WhatsApp is not much better. iMessage dynamically compresses a video--not its length--depending on whether it is sent on wifi, 3G, 4G, or 2G. No muss, no fuss.
iMessage has also steadily improved since I used it regularly 3 years ago. When switching back to an iPhone I figured I would miss the ability to text--standard SMS--from my macs using Airdroid. But to me iMessage is actually better at it then Airdroid (e.g, could not see MMS messages in Airdroid). And now I don't even need my iPhone in Wifi range to send standard SMS messages from iMessage from my macs or iPad (AT&T is my carrier).
BTW, I hated Hangouts so don't even go there.
Mike
haha I never used hangouts, seems like a mess to me. Whatsapp is my primary mode of communication.
Who still uses BBM? Back in 2005-2010, all my friends used it. Now I can't think of one that uses it. Most did NOT switch because BBM limits the file size. Again, most people stopped using BBM only because they switched to android or iOS. BBM was not available during the time they switched. Hence they found a different medium of communication (whatsapp in my friends case).
Therefore if your friends and family switch to using an Android, iMessage won't look so attractive anymore. You can name all the benefits you want about iMessage and how great it is. If you have no one to speak to on iMessage then it is useless with all those features.
Well of course if I didn't know anyone using iMessage it wouldn't have any benefit. But I do. About half of the people I message, actually. For example I just sent a large video of my new puppy to my sister, 2,000 miles away, via iMessage. She is not at all tech savvy. When I had my Note 4 I wouldn't have bothered having her download WhatsApp. I would have used Facebook Messenger but for some reason videos from my Note 4 never made it to her on FB Messenger. I could have used MMS but, let's face it, using MMS for video nowadays is embarrassing at best
. I didn't even know she had an iPhone--she must have just gotten it. But when I saw her texts were now "blue" I went ahead and sent the large video. Boom, done.Mike
I ended up leaving majority of the Apple ecosystem. Got rid of my iPhones and went with Nexus 5 and Note 3 now a S5. Still have my iPad's which I barely use my iPad Mini, but my wife uses her iPad Air for movies while cooking. I don't remember the last time I've used my iMac since I use my Windows 10 ASUS X205TA laptop.
Well of course if I didn't know anyone using iMessage it wouldn't have any benefit. But I do. About half of the people I message, actually. For example I just sent a large video of my new puppy to my sister, 2,000 miles away, via iMessage. She is not at all tech savvy. When I had my Note 4 I wouldn't have bothered having her download WhatsApp. I would have used Facebook Messenger but for some reason videos from my Note 4 never made it to her on FB Messenger. I could have used MMS but, let's face it, using MMS for video nowadays is embarrassing at best
Mike
and you still fail to get my point. I don't care how great or awesome iMessage is now or how it has helped you and your friends / family.
My Point: just like BBM where people switched because they no longer had blackberries. The same can happen to iMessage if friends and family switch to Android / Windows, rendering iMessage useless. Just like how your sister is not tech savvy, she might purchase a Android when her iPhone needs replacing and then ask you how does she get iMessage on her new android. Now you would let her know only iPhone has iMessage so you have to use a different app. What does this mean? You have one less person to talk to on iMessage.
Exactly. Critical thinking and independent evaluation is against Apple's Terms of Service. Brainwashing to inhibit that is a foundation of their business model.
Slightly more useful than your "what if the people you know move from the iPhone" type comment.
I'd be saying the same if the topic wasn't Apple related. Live in the world that is, not in some fictional world that might not happen. And if the time comes when that scenario happens, he can change then. But right now, asking "what if X" won't help at all.
ahm, you do realize I was not trying to convince anyone to stop using iMessage or worry bout its future right? If you read my other post you would understand. However you're so quick to defend apple.
The argument was iMessage has a similar Model as BBM. However persons feel that what happen to BBM could NEVER happen to iMessage.
My point was to never say never, since they are built on the same model, and it has shown to have failed in the past.
Am I wrong for thinking like this? Is that hard to understand? Do you want me to go over it again?
This x1000 is by far the main reason i keep going back to the iPhone. iMessage is a godsend when it comes to sending pictures and video. Sure, I could just email them for better quality on Android but the people I'm sending to wouldn't want to deal with that. I still get annoyed at my mom's android phone destroying picture quality when I text them to her. Finally got her to check email for the full resolution ones. If Apple and Android somehow in fantasy land said "hey lets both make iMessage the new standard" then I'd be on Android tomorrow.
Yes, you technically are wrong. BBM is completely useless without people using that specific service. He can, technically, still respond to normal SMS through iMessage on all of his devices. That's a huge difference right there. I tried BBM when it was on Android (my OS at the time) and found it to be worse than Hangouts. Same with iOS and iMessage.
And? So what. I dealt with plain old SMS for many people for three years. Being able to iPhone some/many of them now is a bonus that in addition doesn't change how iMessage works. Moreover, in my experience iMessage sends better MMS to non iMessages users than my Android phones did MMS.
iMessage is the SMS app on iPhones. There isn't an iMessage app and an SMS app. On BB BBM and text were seperate apps. Yes you could change the default BBM configuration so you can have contacts in your bb contacts list SMS messages in BBM but that was not nearly as seamless as iMessage. And a new text would always come into the SMS app, not BBM. So I don't agree that BBM was akin to iMessage.
Mike
Most persons I have communicated with said they can't do without iMessage because that is what they use to talk to most of their friends and family. Not because they can send SMS through their iPad and Mac.
I think we can both agree that is the main reason people don't want to give up iMessage.
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