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geoff5093

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Its very difficult for me to have an Android device as a primary device. Not being have to use iMessage, Facetime and the iTunes is very challenging for me...especially Facetime. Everyone I know has an iPhone and missing those iMessage group chats and Facetime calls (on the fly) are huge deal breakers for me. Just the other day, I was able to view some of a family member wedding on Facetime as it was happening. Unfortunately, I was unable to make it (was trying to rush to the airport), but it was nice to have been able to experience some of it. If, I had my Android device, and left my iPhone, I would have missed it.
That's what happens when you decide to use a companies proprietary software instead of vendor-neutral products. If you had an Android, why couldn't you just use Skype or Hangouts? Those are available on iOS and do the exact same thing as facetime.

What about iTunes can you not do on your Android? You can have your iTunes playlist synced with Google, and access those songs and playlists on your phone or even a computer via the web interface without ever having to plug them in to sync.

Really, people complain about Android but they never even looked at how Android can offer an alternative.
 

richard.laay

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Facetime gives you more flexibility to do video chat and calling despite using social calling, iphone gives an advantage of using imessage as well.
Andriod on the other hand, have different and large scale than iphone. Like sound cloud if you are using it on iphone than every time you uses sound cloud your 3G should be ON, on the other hand if you will use it in android then you just have to play one time. I heard a news that IMO and Facebook calling have become banned in Saudi Arabia https://www.reviewsdir.com/blog/saudi-bans-facebook-and-imo/ in this case Facetime is the blessing for Apple users.
 

jamezr

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Facetime gives you more flexibility to do video chat and calling despite using social calling, iphone gives an advantage of using imessage as well.
Andriod on the other hand, have different and large scale than iphone. Like sound cloud if you are using it on iphone than every time you uses sound cloud your 3G should be ON, on the other hand if you will use it in android then you just have to play one time. I heard a news that IMO and Facebook calling have become banned in Saudi Arabia https://www.reviewsdir.com/blog/saudi-bans-facebook-and-imo/ in this case Facetime is the blessing for Apple users.
That's why most say they feel locked into Apple by iMessage and FaceTime....
 

The Game 161

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That's why most say they feel locked into Apple by iMessage and FaceTime....
i think i have used facetime maybe 6-8 times since getting my iphone so i don't think i would miss it loads seeing as i can still access it on my ipad. Imessage i've noticed how key it is when texting my GF as it is easier is messaging her when i'm on my ipad as i use that alot when at home.
 
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tbayrgs

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i think i have used facetime maybe 6-8 times since getting my iphone so i don't think i would miss it loads seeing as i can still access it on my ipad. Imessage i've noticed how key it is when texting my GF as it is easier is messaging her when i'm on my ipad as i use that alot when at home.

Ever use Mightytext? Not exactly as seamless but a fair approximation. Install the app on your Android phone, syncs your SMS/MMS so that you can access them, send and receive, via a webpage, even via Safari on an iPad. I believe there's an Android app so that you can use an Android tablet in the same manner you'd do so with iMessage on an iPad.
 

The Game 161

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Ever use Mightytext? Not exactly as seamless but a fair approximation. Install the app on your Android phone, syncs your SMS/MMS so that you can access them, send and receive, via a webpage, even via Safari on an iPad. I believe there's an Android app so that you can use an Android tablet in the same manner you'd do so with iMessage on an iPad.
really? might need to look at that then..very handy indeed if i can do that.
 

geoff5093

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i think i have used facetime maybe 6-8 times since getting my iphone so i don't think i would miss it loads seeing as i can still access it on my ipad. Imessage i've noticed how key it is when texting my GF as it is easier is messaging her when i'm on my ipad as i use that alot when at home.
It's a bit complicated to setup initially, but I can do the same thing with Hangouts using Google Voice. I ported my cell number to Google Voice, and I can make calls and send texts on my phone, tablet, or computers. If I want to switch cell providers, I can just get a new SIM and login, it doesn't matter what the number of my actual carrier is. Plus, it works on OS X, Windows, Android, and iOS. I love being able to make calls over WiFi using my phone number without them counting against my 100 minute prepaid plan cap.
 

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Apple is too afraid to make big OS changes, they're scared to rock the boat.

And as a result almost ALL their products are beginning to have an OS that looks REALLY out of date. OS X on the Mac is a classic example. It was fresh and looked great when it was first introduced around 2001, but these days it just looks horrible. Changing a few fonts and making minor changes to the dock doesn't change the fact that the basic look hasn't changed in around 15 years.

Compare that with the changes in Windows, and the differences are striking. Microsoft had a lot of balls to introduce the broad changes of Windows 8, and although people hated it, at least Microsoft had the guts to try something different and the opportunity to learn from those mistakes. The result was Windows 10, which in my opinion looks and functions extremely well. Rather than largely ignoring feedback like they did in the past, Microsoft made sure to build a feedback mechanism into their new OS. If something doesn't work or you have some ideas, you can easily communicate them, and you can vote on new features people have come up with ideas for. Microsoft actually RESPONDS to these, and many bugs have been fixed and OS features added as a result. The OS is improving rapidly.

These days Microsoft is showing the results of some really strong, capable and competent leadership. Just as Apple isn't the same company they once were, Microsoft isn't either. While Apple is deteriorating rapidly, Microsoft is stronger than ever. To me, it is only a well established ecosystem that Apple offers these days. Microsoft haven't got that aspect fully in place yet despite their efforts, but at some point they will nail this as well. Why? Because after the disaster of Windows 8 they learned to actually LISTEN to their users instead of forging ahead in blundering arrogance that they know best.
 

AustinIllini

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really? might need to look at that then..very handy indeed if i can do that.
I had nothing but problems between my rMBP and Nexus 6P using Mightytext. It wasn't very good at all.
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These days Microsoft is showing the results of some really strong, capable and competent leadership. Just as Apple isn't the same company they once were, Microsoft isn't either. While Apple is deteriorating rapidly, Microsoft is stronger than ever. To me, it is only a well established ecosystem that Apple offers these days. Microsoft haven't got that aspect fully in place yet despite their efforts, but at some point they will nail this as well. Why? Because after the disaster of Windows 8 they learned to actually LISTEN to their users instead of forging ahead in blundering arrogance that they know best.
Oh please. I stopped reading there. People need to stop pinning Apple and Microsoft against each other.
 
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Oh please. I stopped reading there. People need to stop pinning Apple and Microsoft against each other.

Why? Apple themselves encouraged the competition.


I'd love to see an "I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC" add today though; it might pay a very different picture. I can just imagine it: The "Mac" dressed in out of date torn clothes, the "PC" dressed very suave and him asking "What happened Mac?"
 
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jamezr

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Why? Apple themselves encouraged the competition.


I'd love to see an "I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC" add today though; it might pay a very different picture. I can just imagine it: The "Mac" dressed in out of date torn clothes, the "PC" dressed very suave and him asking "What happened Mac?"
I like this one....

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AustinIllini

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Why? Apple themselves encouraged the competition.


I'd love to see an "I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC" add today though; it might pay a very different picture. I can just imagine it: The "Mac" dressed in out of date torn clothes, the "PC" dressed very suave and him asking "What happened Mac?"
That ended 7 years ago...so
 

Vegastouch

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Its very difficult for me to have an Android device as a primary device. Not being have to use iMessage, Facetime and the iTunes is very challenging for me...especially Facetime. Everyone I know has an iPhone and missing those iMessage group chats and Facetime calls (on the fly) are huge deal breakers for me. Just the other day, I was able to view some of a family member wedding on Facetime as it was happening. Unfortunately, I was unable to make it (was trying to rush to the airport), but it was nice to have been able to experience some of it. If, I had my Android device, and left my iPhone, I would have missed it.
Hmm, those are things I use in Hangouts. It texts, does facetime but doesn't do iTunes which I hated anyways. Big negative for me. I left Apple seven years ago and haven't looked back. I do like their computers ,laptops but they don't have a touchscreen and I like that on my laptop.
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Or in my case, use for a while, go without for a few years, then come back to it.


When I first switched to Android I tried to get most of my contacts to use Whatsapp. Many did but then gradually I noticed they were sending plain text again. I actually think Facebook Messenger would have been a good alternative. It does well with photos and (usually) videos, and has the super-sized stickers and emoticon thing going on. But Facebook is either not cool anymore for the very young or Facebook Messenger is being boycotted by some of the older set (I have friends and family who refuse to use it because it was "forced on them.... ugh).

One other thing that can come in useful, even if you (hopefully) rarely see it happen, is iMessage's ability to fallback to SMS. I have had many occasions where I sent a quick FB message and put my phone away, only to find out later it failed to send. This happens to me at places that have a wifi login but I am not looking at me phone to see it. Even with a bad cell signal it is sometimes good enough to text, but not strong enough for a decent data connection.



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I have people text me with Hangouts, FB Messenger and the regular Message app and it isn't an issue. I have the same notification sound for each so I just see which one it is. Messenger even puts a face notificatikon on your screen so you can't miss that one. Not a big deal at all.
 
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nfl46

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Hmm, those are things I use in Hangouts. It texts, does facetime but doesn't do iTunes which I hated anyways. Big negative for me. I left Apple seven years ago and haven't looked back. I do like their computers ,laptops but they don't have a touchscreen and I like that on my laptop.

Yeah, that's true, but when you have older relatives that don't really know how to download apps (or create a Gmail account), then Hangouts is not an option. FaceTime is a lot more simplified since its built right into iOS.
 

Surface3User

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And as a result almost ALL their products are beginning to have an OS that looks REALLY out of date. OS X on the Mac is a classic example. It was fresh and looked great when it was first introduced around 2001, but these days it just looks horrible. Changing a few fonts and making minor changes to the dock doesn't change the fact that the basic look hasn't changed in around 15 years.

I was an OS 7/8/9 user (Centris 610) and jumped on OS X as soon as I could. It seemed revolutionary at the time, but with all things tech, it loses its shine over time. Other than iOS (which I hate as an OS though it is fantastic for the kids), I jumped ship to Windows full time. I have experienced enough Mac side headaches to realize nothing "just works" all the time.
 
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epicrayban

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Good article. And I agree. Heck, I find the App Store experience pretty dreadful overall. I've touched on them in the past about download limitations, passcode inconsistencies, etc.

Opinion: Apple badly needs to fix App Store search, but not by paid placements

9to5Mac: http://9to5mac.com/2016/05/13/opinion-ios-app-store-search/


If Apple is actually going to fix App Store search so that it works, that’s excellent news. But one part of the report sounded distinctly less encouraging.

One of the methods that Apple is considering is paid search. Essentially, developers and companies could pay to have their app shown more prominently in search results.

That gives the impression that Apple is more focused on generating additional revenue than delivering a great user experience …
 
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tbayrgs

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Good article. And I agree. Heck, I find the App Store experience pretty dreadful overall. I've touched on them in the past about download limitations, passcode inconsistencies, etc.

Opinion: Apple badly needs to fix App Store search, but not by paid placements

9to5Mac: http://9to5mac.com/2016/05/13/opinion-ios-app-store-search/


If Apple is actually going to fix App Store search so that it works, that’s excellent news. But one part of the report sounded distinctly less encouraging.

One of the methods that Apple is considering is paid search. Essentially, developers and companies could pay to have their app shown more prominently in search results.

That gives the impression that Apple is more focused on generating additional revenue than delivering a great user experience …

I don't know exactly what's broken with App Store search but I wish Apple would just mimic Google's implementation and have it all web based. I'm sure that involves some monumental overalls considering the ridiculous beast called iTunes but on the surface, seems like it would make life so much easier.

I love how if I'm reading about an app and decide to give it a try, I can go the Play Store on any web browser and have it installed from there to any of my Android devices.
 

jamezr

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I don't know exactly what's broken with App Store search but I wish Apple would just mimic Google's implementation and have it all web based. I'm sure that involves some monumental overalls considering the ridiculous beast called iTunes but on the surface, seems like it would make life so much easier.
Oh can we make this happen? I would love to see just my apps from the web browser. Then be able to update them all no matter whether on wifi or cellular data.
 
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epicrayban

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I don't know exactly what's broken with App Store search but I wish Apple would just mimic Google's implementation and have it all web based. I'm sure that involves some monumental overalls considering the ridiculous beast called iTunes but on the surface, seems like it would make life so much easier.

I love how if I'm reading about an app and decide to give it a try, I can go the Play Store on any web browser and have it installed from there to any of my Android devices.

Yes. 100% this.

And it installs directly to any device signed into your Google account. So I can visit the web browser for apps, and it'll install straight to my phone. Very convenient.

The one thing annoyingly still missing from the Play Store, though? This feature:

Five Years Ago, A Google Dev Told Us App Gifting Was On Their List Of Things To Do (It's Still Not There)

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...eir-list-of-things-to-do-its-still-not-there/
 
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Zaft

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Apple was going to make Facetime open source but did a 180 with that. If apple made imessage and facetime open alot of people would jump and not feel left behind.
 
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Vegastouch

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Yeah, that's true, but when you have older relatives that don't really know how to download apps (or create a Gmail account), then Hangouts is not an option. FaceTime is a lot more simplified since its built right into iOS.
Yes well you have to create a Gmail account just like you would a iTunes account and im not argueing which is better. I really dont care who likes what. Im a believer in use what you like. Hangouts however is also built into Android in the Google area. It is very good, is easy to use and it works with iOS as well.

Not that iOS is bad , i just prefer Android and its more functions and simple things like the back button. Google Now seems to work better than those i know who use Siri around me and i use GN all the time.
 

nfl46

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That's what happens when you decide to use a companies proprietary software instead of vendor-neutral products. If you had an Android, why couldn't you just use Skype or Hangouts? Those are available on iOS and do the exact same thing as facetime.

What about iTunes can you not do on your Android? You can have your iTunes playlist synced with Google, and access those songs and playlists on your phone or even a computer via the web interface without ever having to plug them in to sync.

Really, people complain about Android but they never even looked at how Android can offer an alternative.

I don't know how to even respond to this, especially since I posted that comment in December. Hell, I don't even remember which device I had FIVE months ago.
 

nfl46

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Yes well you have to create a Gmail account just like you would a iTunes account and im not argueing which is better. I really dont care who likes what. Im a believer in use what you like. Hangouts however is also built into Android in the Google area. It is very good, is easy to use and it works with iOS as well.

Not that iOS is bad , i just prefer Android and its more functions and simple things like the back button. Google Now seems to work better than those i know who use Siri around me and i use GN all the time.
Good to hear. I don't know why I even replied, since I rarely, if ever, post in this section anymore. I'm beyond arguing (or having disagreements) about smartphones. Don't expect a reply from me again.
 
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