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Wildo6882

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I'm really hopeful that there will be something special this year, but these leaks (yes I know they're just rumors) aren't supporting my hope. As much as I love my 6s Plus, I'm still wanting more from my phone. A little customization. Smaller bezels. Change the look of the OS - I'm sorry, but the static row of icons is getting a bit long in the tooth. DON'T MAKE IT THINNER JUST TO BE THIN. I also agree with quite a few of the things other people have said in this thread - waterproof, wireless charging, screen resolution, etc. I'm just starting to think we may need to have our expectations tempered, too.
 

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I'm really hopeful that there will be something special this year, but these leaks (yes I know they're just rumors) aren't supporting my hope. As much as I love my 6s Plus, I'm still wanting more from my phone. A little customization. Smaller bezels. Change the look of the OS - I'm sorry, but the static row of icons is getting a bit long in the tooth. DON'T MAKE IT THINNER JUST TO BE THIN. I also agree with quite a few of the things other people have said in this thread - waterproof, wireless charging, screen resolution, etc. I'm just starting to think we may need to have our expectations tempered, too.

All reasonable wishes. I share many similar ones. All we're asking of Apple is to catch up to the competition, and if possible, introduce new innovations/ideas.

We are merely holding Apple to the standard that they themselves set.
The world's most advanced mobile operating system should therefore be more advanced. The leading innovator in this industry should therefore be more innovative, or at the very least good enough to lead again in areas they've lost ground to.

We're going by what Apple taught us. I don't think that's unreasonable.
 
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All reasonable wishes. I share many similar ones. All we're asking of Apple is to catch up to the competition, and if possible, introduce new innovations/ideas.

We are merely holding Apple to the standard that they themselves set.
The world's most advanced mobile operating system should therefore be more advanced. The leading innovator in this industry should therefore be more innovative, or at the very least good enough to lead again in areas they've lost ground to.

We're going by what Apple taught us. I don't think that's unreasonable.

Exactly. They call iOS the most advanced mobile OS - and I don't see how that's possible with what Android is actually capable of. You can't just rest on your laurels and hope people just continue to bite on iterative updates because they're too afraid to leave the Apple cocoon. Samsung, HTC, LG, and many Chinese companies are really producing very solid phones, with features that FAR surpass what Apple is doing right now.

I agree 110% that it is in no way unreasonable to expect more out of Apple. I have no problem giving them my money if they make a device that just works with my life. But I also hold no allegiance to them, and will be fine giving someone else my money, too.
 
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If there's one thing we should really temper our expectations, it's the iOS launcher. The app-drawer style is not going away, me thinks.

I would tend to agree with this. And I think that's really unfortunate. If they MUST stick to it, at least allow people to put the icons wherever they want. I don't care if they keep a solid grid, but the constant flow of icons to the furthest left available option has got to go the way of the Dodo.
 

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Rumors and leaks have gotten frighteningly accurate, especially of Apple products.

I think that's why many of us are particularly worried about the iPhone 7 this year. The leaks, so far, have not only been unimpressive, some of the leaks are downright worrisome.

My biggest worry? This "Pro" thing...

If Apple plans to save its biggest features this year for just the "Pro" version of the iPhone 7 Plus, that'll be ballsy. Especially during a year where its biggest feature may be just the dual-camera itself? To only have that available in the most expensive, largest model?

But, it does clash with Tim Cook's hype based on his own words. I don't believe a dual-camera is something we couldn't live without; and if the rumor of the dual-camera is truly only for the Pro version, it lends even more credence to Cook's hype that he really has an ace up his sleeve. Because the ace would have to be on all models. So what could it be?

Could be a very exciting reveal this Fall. Or the modest-update rumors could come true. The latter would be disappointing, no matter how much we temper our expectations.
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I would tend to agree with this. And I think that's really unfortunate. If they MUST stick to it, at least allow people to put the icons wherever they want. I don't care if they keep a solid grid, but the constant flow of icons to the furthest left available option has got to go the way of the Dodo.

Plus open up 3D Touch shortcuts. I think 3D Touch shortcuts really make sense with iOS. I applauded it when it was first introduced. It almost makes up for the fact that no widgets are allowed on the home screen. But 3D Touch shortcuts really should open up and allow users to customize what the shortcuts are.

What if I don't take selfies often? Why should one of my 3D Touch shortcuts for the camera be wasted on "Take Selfie"? Why isn't it up to me what shortcuts I want out of my apps on my iPhone? Likewise, why can't you customize what you want out of your apps on your iPhone?

We're at a stage where smartphones are incredibly prevalent. They are devices used by millions (if not billions?) of people all around the world on a near daily basis. People with different preferences and needs and use-cases. Apple themselves love to tout how many millions of iOS users are out there.

Customization is key.
 
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I suggest everyone to check out Huawei P9 if you are coming form iOS. The first ever Android phone I'm considering using.

Why? Because one hell of a reskin of OEM Android, they call it EMU or something. They have ditched everything that makes Android such a UI disaster to use.

First of all rubber band effect!!! yay! Google is so cheap to pay Apple for it so they had to go with some nonsense blue beam to tell you cant scroll anymore, what a joke. Samsung has scale down effect but P9 has proper rubber band effect we all come to love from original iPhone, webOS, Windows Phone and BB10.

No more app tray! yes all your icons stack on your screen like they should. OEM Android home screen urges you to pull on widgets which in all honesty do absolutely little compared how much space they take on screen. So Huawei is little less widgetcentric. Now app tray might be missed by app hoarders cause after all Android is more about apps than iOS these days but thankfully I do not download "the latest app" every week and my life is happy with just dozen apps. Widgets are supposed to be quick glance through stuff so why not just swipe up on app icon to see notification info like BlackBerry did on their Android, much better than half a screen widget.

One hand usage! Yes, your Google faithfully Duarte still cant come into terms with .. Google that having an action bar on top requires a lot of finger travel and since screens are getting taller there is no freakin need to something as simple like hamburger menu all the way up in top corner. Its stupid! iOS is guilty of this as well. You know why they can't do that? Because they put a stupid Android navigation bar on the bottom so stacking another bar with buttons on top of it looks weird and sooo umaterial design. And that's exactly what Huawei does here in its own OEM apps, they give you tabs on the bottom and if a tab has a subtab or subcategory you can just swipe with your finger on screen.

No more floating buttons! You know those you cant even recognize as being buttons in the first place due to material design nonsense? Like dial pad button that keeps on floating from center to the right depending in which tab you are, but of course before you switch the tab you have to use your other hand to reach that tab. Those freakin' floating circle buttons are everything that emphasizes textbook example of horrible user experience. And they keep changing colors! How many apps just fail to let you know what's a graphic and what's actually trappable. Way too many.

No more material design! Huawei got rid of the greatest obstacle that ever got me to even consider Android as my phone. I can write up pages of what's wrong with material design but I will just leave it here. What Google and we call flat design is actually properly called dematerialized design, so Google being Google decides to call its dematerialized design language Material Design. Good job! I guess Paper Design sounded too puss.. like
 

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From the Verge:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/17/11671230/apple-hiring-wireless-charging-experts-iphone-ubeam

Apple staffing up on wireless charging experts, including former uBeam engineers

Rumors of wireless charging in the next iPhone are bolstered by recent hires


If I can walk into a room and have my iPhone start charging just because it's in the vicinity of the "wireless charger," that'd be a heck of an innovation.

That's truly the next step in wireless charging. "Proximity" charging.

Sounds like it's more for the 2017 iPhone, though.


 
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I suggest everyone to check out Huawei P9 if you are coming form iOS. The first ever Android phone I'm considering using.

Why? Because one hell of a reskin of OEM Android, they call it EMU or something. They have ditched everything that makes Android such a UI disaster to use.

First of all rubber band effect!!! yay! Google is so cheap to pay Apple for it so they had to go with some nonsense blue beam to tell you cant scroll anymore, what a joke. Samsung has scale down effect but P9 has proper rubber band effect we all come to love from original iPhone, webOS, Windows Phone and BB10.

No more app tray! yes all your icons stack on your screen like they should. OEM Android home screen urges you to pull on widgets which in all honesty do absolutely little compared how much space they take on screen. So Huawei is little less widgetcentric. Now app tray might be missed by app hoarders cause after all Android is more about apps than iOS these days but thankfully I do not download "the latest app" every week and my life is happy with just dozen apps. Widgets are supposed to be quick glance through stuff so why not just swipe up on app icon to see notification info like BlackBerry did on their Android, much better than half a screen widget.

One hand usage! Yes, your Google faithfully Duarte still cant come into terms with .. Google that having an action bar on top requires a lot of finger travel and since screens are getting taller there is no freakin need to something as simple like hamburger menu all the way up in top corner. Its stupid! iOS is guilty of this as well. You know why they can't do that? Because they put a stupid Android navigation bar on the bottom so stacking another bar with buttons on top of it looks weird and sooo umaterial design. And that's exactly what Huawei does here in its own OEM apps, they give you tabs on the bottom and if a tab has a subtab or subcategory you can just swipe with your finger on screen.

No more floating buttons! You know those you cant even recognize as being buttons in the first place due to material design nonsense? Like dial pad button that keeps on floating from center to the right depending in which tab you are, but of course before you switch the tab you have to use your other hand to reach that tab. Those freakin' floating circle buttons are everything that emphasizes textbook example of horrible user experience. And they keep changing colors! How many apps just fail to let you know what's a graphic and what's actually trappable. Way too many.

No more material design! Huawei got rid of the greatest obstacle that ever got me to even consider Android as my phone. I can write up pages of what's wrong with material design but I will just leave it here. What Google and we call flat design is actually properly called dematerialized design, so Google being Google decides to call its dematerialized design language Material Design. Good job! I guess Paper Design sounded too puss.. like
I love what Huawei has done with the Mate 8 and now the P9 and P9 Plus. I am looking forward to getting the P9 Plus sometime in the future. Nice phones....
 

epicrayban

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Is it me or does it seem like there is an increase in buggy iOS updates? The one last year bricked iPhones. Now, for the iPad?

iOS 9.3.2 Bricking Some 9.7-inch iPad Pro Devices With 'Error 56' Message
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ad-pro-devices-with-error-56-message.1972906/

9.7-Inch iPad Pro Crashing Issues Persist for Some Users on iOS 9.3.2
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/17/9-7-inch-ipad-pro-crashing-issues-safari/


These are two separate stories it looks like? All from MacRumors.

It further convinces me that Google's update methods for the Nexus lines are better. Update core apps independently with new features and bug fixes throughout the year via the Play Store; send out monthly security updates; and then for big annual software updates, roll them out in weeks instead of just a one day giant roll out across the board.

Doing so leads to less relying on one annual big update to get new features to core apps, and prevents major widespread glitches whenever there is a problem.

What is happening with Apple? I know all companies deal with software and even hardware glitches from time to time. But this seems to be hitting Apple pretty hard lately and at a time when they probably don't want more bad news.

Wasn't there just news about iTunes deleting people's music, too?
 

James.K.Polk

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I feel like this all the time for build quality. My first SE had a non-functional Touch ID unit and a bad LCD panel (looked like waves with any tips at all!) and I just noticed this one has that popping/clicking when I press the top right at all. What will I do? Nothing! I'm too tired of the Apple QC. My iPhone 5 and 6 were far worse. Luckily I've had good luck with MacBooks, which are obviously far more expensive.
 

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I feel like this all the time for build quality. My first SE had a non-functional Touch ID unit and a bad LCD panel (looked like waves with any tips at all!) and I just noticed this one has that popping/clicking when I press the top right at all. What will I do? Nothing! I'm too tired of the Apple QC. My iPhone 5 and 6 were far worse. Luckily I've had good luck with MacBooks, which are obviously far more expensive.

There will always be some hardware issues with products on launch and after, it's how they are resolved by the supplier / manufacturer that is important.

The majority of folks get perfect devices, sadly forums give artificial impressions as people with issues are more likely to post than the majority of folks who have good devices.

If you have issues with your SE again, go and exchange it. I have a perfect device hardware wise without any issues (other than the now fixed BT software glitch).

Don't settle for less, it's why we have warranties.
 

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I'm really hopeful that there will be something special this year, but these leaks (yes I know they're just rumors) aren't supporting my hope. As much as I love my 6s Plus, I'm still wanting more from my phone. A little customization. Smaller bezels. Change the look of the OS - I'm sorry, but the static row of icons is getting a bit long in the tooth. DON'T MAKE IT THINNER JUST TO BE THIN. I also agree with quite a few of the things other people have said in this thread - waterproof, wireless charging, screen resolution, etc. I'm just starting to think we may need to have our expectations tempered, too.

Seems like people like that, LG ditched the app drawer and google may ditch it in android N.

Of course you can install a launcher but it still says a lot about how companies are viewing the app drawer
 

Wildo6882

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Seems like people like that, LG ditched the app drawer and google may ditch it in android N.

Of course you can install a launcher but it still says a lot about how companies are viewing the app drawer

I'm not even talking about an app drawer, though. I'm talking about a simple static row of icons. Nothing more, nothing less. And the fact that you can't even put them where you want them. On Android, you can move them wherever you want plus add in widgets to those screens. iOS forces you to have apps and folders in static rows, with apps in the furthest lefternmost (think I made up that word) location.
 
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I'm not even talking about an app drawer, though. I'm talking about a simple static row of icons. Nothing more, nothing less. And the fact that you can't even put them where you want them. On Android, you can move them wherever you want plus add in widgets to those screens. iOS forces you to have apps and folders in static rows, with apps in the furthest lefternmost (think I made up that word) location.
Yeah that is one of my pet peeves.....seems like such a simple fix. To be able to arrange icons in any order a user wants them in. It can't be that much of a technical hurdle.....
 
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Yeah that is one of my pet peeves.....seems like such a simple fix. To be able to arrange icons in any order a user wants them in. It can't be that much of a technical hurdle.....

This alone makes me want to go back to Android sometimes. It just seems so silly. "Most advanced mobile OS" my rear end...
 
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I'm not even talking about an app drawer, though. I'm talking about a simple static row of icons. Nothing more, nothing less. And the fact that you can't even put them where you want them. On Android, you can move them wherever you want plus add in widgets to those screens. iOS forces you to have apps and folders in static rows, with apps in the furthest lefternmost (think I made up that word) location.
Ah ok got it. Yup its kind of annoying that I cant have any space in between apps.
I actually prefer widgets being in the notification center, but thats just me. I like that I can access them from anywhere.
 

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Ah ok got it. Yup its kind of annoying that I cant have any space in between apps.
I actually prefer widgets being in the notification center, but thats just me. I like that I can access them from anywhere.

I don't mind them there at all. But I'd prefer some more customization options. I'd like two rows of icons on the bottom and nothing any higher. Using a 6s Plus as a not professional basketball player, even with double tapping the home button, sometimes is a giant pain. Pun intended.
 

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I don't mind them there at all. But I'd prefer some more customization options. I'd like two rows of icons on the bottom and nothing any higher. Using a 6s Plus as a not professional basketball player, even with double tapping the home button, sometimes is a giant pain. Pun intended.
I have a feeling apple will do it but in a limited way initially.
Kind of like NC widgets were at first only apple apps and then opened up.
Maybe IOS 11.
 

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Is it me or does it seem like there is an increase in buggy iOS updates? The one last year bricked iPhones. Now, for the iPad?

Apple is going through the teething pains of offering more than one new option. Now, imagine how Android manages to run on hundreds and even then a hard brick from an OTA is rare if not non-existent.
 

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I don't mind them there at all. But I'd prefer some more customization options. I'd like two rows of icons on the bottom and nothing any higher. Using a 6s Plus as a not professional basketball player, even with double tapping the home button, sometimes is a giant pain. Pun intended.

In many ways IOS still acts like we have a one handed device. This is apparent when you go from the + down to an SE. The issues of reach and even the position of the 'back to' and options at the top of the screens highlight this. They work perfect on an SE and feel natural and fluid, but become an issue as we go to 6S and then greater still to the +. Reachability does help and indeed I would like to see Reachability on android for the times we need to interact with menus at top of the screen. But the things like apps & folders populating from top left down again whilst perfect on small devices simply are not ergonomic on bigger smartphones and iOS needs to adapt to recognise that. Currently only Reachability and to some extent landscape support on the + addresses this usability issue but it's not ideal. Allowing user freedom for app arrangement certainly would help and wouldn't take a lot of work to implement. But there has to be more refinement or adaption to improve usability on the bigger devices.
 

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In many ways IOS still acts like we have a one handed device. This is apparent when you go from the + down to an SE. The issues of reach and even the position of the 'back to' and options at the top of the screens highlight this. They work perfect on an SE and feel natural and fluid, but become an issue as we go to 6S and then greater still to the +. Reachability does help and indeed I would like to see Reachability on android for the times we need to interact with menus at top of the screen. But the things like apps & folders populating from top left down again whilst perfect on small devices simply are not ergonomic on bigger smartphones and iOS needs to adapt to recognise that. Currently only Reachability and to some extent landscape support on the + addresses this usability issue but it's not ideal. Allowing user freedom for app arrangement certainly would help and wouldn't take a lot of work to implement. But there has to be more refinement or adaption to improve usability on the bigger devices.
A back button would do wonders.
 
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