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Personally, I don't mind paying a high price for a premium product. The problem is that Apple products are no longer premium, they just pretend to be. The iPhone is a classic example of this, with tech in it that is YEARS out of date. Compare it with something like a Samsung Galaxy s7 edge, and they are not even in the same class.

Why is the tech out of date? Especially compared to the S7 Edge?
 

Radon87000

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Is that why the 6s beats the s7 in benchmarks because it's years out of date?
Don't forget the S7 also has a lot going on in the background compared to the iPhone 6s.When was the last time you could compile a tar file on your iPhone?When was the last time a app could download files in the background while I multi task on 3 different apps at the same time on an iPhone?
 

Radon87000

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Why is the tech out of date? Especially compared to the S7 Edge?
Use a Samsung OLED display for a week and you will start to feel like the iPhone display isn't even in the same league.Yes the S7 Edge curved OLED is just that good which is why Apple is using it in IPhone 8
 

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Don't forget the S7 also has a lot going on in the background compared to the iPhone 6s.When was the last time you could compile a tar file on your iPhone?When was the last time a app could download files in the background while I multi task on 3 different apps at the same time on an iPhone?
The benchmark is what the benchmark is. Apple is not "light years" behind as has been suggested, it uses a more tuned o/s to accomplish with two cores and two gig what the competition needs 4 gig and 8 cores and gets there via 64 bit.
 
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Radon87000

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The benchmark is what the benchmark is.
Yes an apples to oranges comparison.Its like comparing NVIDIA Maxwell at 1080P to AMD Hawaii and concluding Maxwell is better if it weren't for the fact that AMD architecture performs the best at high resolution.
 

Radon87000

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Umm, isn't the pro running different hardware or are you suggesting Apple should put the same exact hardware in every device?
What do you mean different hardware?Apple put in more RAM for a reason.2 gigs is not enough

Well they certainly are migrating the same hardware to future iPhones.Rumors suggest the iPhone 7 to have true tone display
 

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Is that why iPad Pro has 4 gigs?Wasnt 2GB RAM enough?
You mean why would a device aimed squarely at Enterprise, and a tablet, require different hardware architecture than a smartphone? Are you sure that's the question you want to ask?
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What do you mean different hardware?Apple put in more RAM for a reason.2 gigs is not enough

Well they certainly are migrating the same hardware to future iPhones.Rumors suggest the iPhone 7 to have true tone display
Not enough RAM for what? The iPhone runs faster than Android phones in most benchmarks. Android requires lots of RAM to compensate. It's a heavy, bloated OS. And point of fact even with such specs most Android phones have bouts of lag and stutter regardless.
 

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What do you mean different hardware?Apple put in more RAM for a reason.2 gigs is not enough

Well they certainly are migrating the same hardware to future iPhones.Rumors suggest the iPhone 7 to have true tone display
7 plus will have 3GB of ram it seems however 2GB is enough for what the 6s plus does. Maybe the 7 will do more demanding stuff i dunno
 

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Last night, one of my Lumia 640 got sold to my cousin's best friend. I made a decent profit of $85 for selling a $30 phone. The girl asked me is iPhone any good and how much do they cost in the States? After I said the amount, I bluntly said "iPhones are overpriced. Overrated." Right in front of her son who was playing with an iPad.

But I will say it again. Apple products are overpriced and overrated especially iOS devices. They are so overrated by their diehard fanatics and people who use them then review them. There is restrictions and limitations of trying to always be proprietary and to think different. I am not saying they are bad products. They just seem catered for soccer moms with the tech savvy of Kim Kardashian who can't think for themselves and simply incapable to problem solve an issue.

Everytime I read comments like Android users are for the poor folks or too cheap or they can't afford iPhones, I just laugh. Keep telling yourselves that while little 8-year olds living in Compton own iPhones already. The more of that mindshare, the more I can sell hand me down iPhones faster and easier to more suckers. I know most people who look down on us po' Fandroids who enjoy our LAGGY OS simply don't know what many of us are capable of doing with our phones. We memorized so many steps and patterns while most don't have the capacity to remember five. Most iOS users don't know any better on how to utilize their phone to their max potential and their biggest dilemma is if they should get it in space gray, silver, gold, or rose gold? That's cute.

Stuff like the live clock icon introduced in iOS7, I saw that back in Cydia on iPhone OS 3! My weather icon was also updated live. Intelliscreen was released as early as 1.x.x days. My iOS devices were tinkered to the brim pre-iOS4 when devices only had 128 MB RAM. Now jailbreaking seems pointless to do when that was the only interesting aspect of iOS for me back in the day. I feel Nova Launcher Prime is like a continuation of Summer and Winterboard but more robust. The official 9.3 updates like finally being able to password lock your Notes app is like more than a half decade old features. Get with the times, Apple.

I had the biggest Apple envy before. During 2007, I would Google News search iPhone almost every day. I lusted for iPhone for about 1.5 years constantly. Apple's luster had died on me years ago before SJ passed away. Their product announcements used to have so much anticipation. Now I just shrug them off. The Steve Jobs' Apple died when he died. They can continue to break sales and profit records, but Apple doesn't feel the same anymore. If you ever were thinking of leaving Apple. Think like Virgin's mantra - "Screw it. Just do it." You will have more money in your bank account in the long run. Overpriced, overrated. Lacking any innovation as of late. Simple as that.

I definitely appreciate your insights into this as it echoes a lot of Android enthusiasts' (I'd consider myself one, as well as an Apple enthusiast) thoughts. It definitely echoes some of my own thoughts as well. However, I do disagree on some aspects of your comment.

When you say iPhones are overpriced and overrated, I disagree with part of this statement. Apple does price their products very high and in many cases, I would consider them overpriced (see Apple Watch bands, charging dock, iPad Pro, storage update prices). I would not say they are overrated however. My Apple products have provided me with an excellent user experience every time I've purchased one. I can not say I have been dissatisfied with ANY of my Apple purchases, and I know many like myself. I have numerous friends and family that have made the transition to Apple products and every time they do, there are no regrets on their part. My Dad was very anti-Apple for a long time since 1) he was uneducated with tech 2) The Mac was not compatible with existing Windows applications, and 3) Their products were (and are) very expensive. After he got an iPod Nano and iPhone, he was extremely satisfied with his purchases and does not regret them at all. I wouldn't consider myself a diehard fanatic, since I switch between iOS and Android and appreciate both, but I will say that I prefer Apple's ecosystem over all others because of their ease of use and cohesive nature.

I can agree that the iPhone is limited in what it can do sometimes. Moving files is a nightmare and can take a long time to do. The home screen is very rigid and unable to be customized in any meaningful way. For many others and me, though, this isn't an issue.

Some iOS users know how to get our phones to perform to the limit, but that's not what the iPhone is meant for. I've used my Android phones and really customized them up. I use Nova Launcher and have set up swipe and tap gestures along with making a very minimal yet functional home screen. I can get my Android phones to do whatever I want and that is very cool, but the thing is, I have no need for my phone to be able to control my PC/Mac or use Tasker like functions. These are cool, but half the time I've found that these type of things tend to complicate my phone and user experience more than it needs to be. The iPhone is built to be a stable, consistent, reliable, and easy to use platform, and that is exactly what it is for myself and many others.

I too hate some of the smug comments from Apple fanatics about how Android is for poor people. Android phones cost anywhere from $10 all the up to $1000, so I don't get why people say that Android is for cheapskates. Plus, Android phones offer better value per dollar almost all the way across the board. No doubt there. I got my Nexus 6 + Case + Screen Protector for $300.

My experience with Android devices has been mostly positive, but there are some large negatives that stand out. Screen burn in was a massive issue on my Nexus 6 and it is very noticeable when viewing photos or videos. Connectivity was and is bad in comparison to my iPhone. It constantly dropped connection when my iPhone would pull a signal. The phone, when connected to certain Wi-Fi networks, would get very hot, overheat, and lag itself out while draining about 2-3% battery per minute until I rebooted. I reflashed factory images and the issues persisted. I've tried Android Wear, which is laggy and feels very Alpha-level. No app support, random reboots, bad build quality (Moto 360 v2), and overall poor user experience. These things have not happened on any of my Apple products. Not to say that they haven't had their issues, but they have been far less severe than the issues with my Android devices.

Honestly though, Apple's products provide a consistent, reliable, and easy to use experience. I've had nothing but positive experiences with them and looking back, I regret none of my purchases. I've tried to abandon Apple completely in the past, as I've detailed in another post in this thread, but I keep on coming back because no other ecosystem provides me with as great of a user experience as the Apple ecosystem. There is something special about not having to worry about random battery drain or random reboots or deal with large issues requiring hours of troubleshooting. It's freeing and Apple provides this kind of experience throughout their entire ecosystem. Apple provides a consistent, enjoyable, and reliable experience, and because of this, I will keep purchasing their products and enjoying them for as long as I can.
 

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I definitely appreciate your insights into this as it echoes a lot of Android enthusiasts' (I'd consider myself one, as well as an Apple enthusiast) thoughts. It definitely echoes some of my own thoughts as well. However, I do disagree on some aspects of your comment.

When you say iPhones are overpriced and overrated, I disagree with part of this statement. Apple does price their products very high and in many cases, I would consider them overpriced (see Apple Watch bands, charging dock, iPad Pro, storage update prices). I would not say they are overrated however. My Apple products have provided me with an excellent user experience every time I've purchased one. I can not say I have been dissatisfied with ANY of my Apple purchases, and I know many like myself. I have numerous friends and family that have made the transition to Apple products and every time they do, there are no regrets on their part. My Dad was very anti-Apple for a long time since 1) he was uneducated with tech 2) The Mac was not compatible with existing Windows applications, and 3) Their products were (and are) very expensive. After he got an iPod Nano and iPhone, he was extremely satisfied with his purchases and does not regret them at all. I wouldn't consider myself a diehard fanatic, since I switch between iOS and Android and appreciate both, but I will say that I prefer Apple's ecosystem over all others because of their ease of use and cohesive nature.

I can agree that the iPhone is limited in what it can do sometimes. Moving files is a nightmare and can take a long time to do. The home screen is very rigid and unable to be customized in any meaningful way. For many others and me, though, this isn't an issue.

Some iOS users know how to get our phones to perform to the limit, but that's not what the iPhone is meant for. I've used my Android phones and really customized them up. I use Nova Launcher and have set up swipe and tap gestures along with making a very minimal yet functional home screen. I can get my Android phones to do whatever I want and that is very cool, but the thing is, I have no need for my phone to be able to control my PC/Mac or use Tasker like functions. These are cool, but half the time I've found that these type of things tend to complicate my phone and user experience more than it needs to be. The iPhone is built to be a stable, consistent, reliable, and easy to use platform, and that is exactly what it is for myself and many others.

I too hate some of the smug comments from Apple fanatics about how Android is for poor people. Android phones cost anywhere from $10 all the up to $1000, so I don't get why people say that Android is for cheapskates. Plus, Android phones offer better value per dollar almost all the way across the board. No doubt there. I got my Nexus 6 + Case + Screen Protector for $300.

My experience with Android devices has been mostly positive, but there are some large negatives that stand out. Screen burn in was a massive issue on my Nexus 6 and it is very noticeable when viewing photos or videos. Connectivity was and is bad in comparison to my iPhone. It constantly dropped connection when my iPhone would pull a signal. The phone, when connected to certain Wi-Fi networks, would get very hot, overheat, and lag itself out while draining about 2-3% battery per minute until I rebooted. I reflashed factory images and the issues persisted. I've tried Android Wear, which is laggy and feels very Alpha-level. No app support, random reboots, bad build quality (Moto 360 v2), and overall poor user experience. These things have not happened on any of my Apple products. Not to say that they haven't had their issues, but they have been far less severe than the issues with my Android devices.

Honestly though, Apple's products provide a consistent, reliable, and easy to use experience. I've had nothing but positive experiences with them and looking back, I regret none of my purchases. I've tried to abandon Apple completely in the past, as I've detailed in another post in this thread, but I keep on coming back because no other ecosystem provides me with as great of a user experience as the Apple ecosystem. There is something special about not having to worry about random battery drain or random reboots or deal with large issues requiring hours of troubleshooting. It's freeing and Apple provides this kind of experience throughout their entire ecosystem. Apple provides a consistent, enjoyable, and reliable experience, and because of this, I will keep purchasing their products and enjoying them for as long as I can.
Very well said. Sums up a lot of great points.

How dependable the iPhone is to me is a big plus and why I will always love my apple devices and the consistent updates and looking forward to each IOS keynote in hope there something new comes out. Least you know the updates will be there consistently without having to wait a year or so for updates when on Samsung..granted this isn't the case on nexus for example.
 
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If you want a honest opinion on a company product you use,you will always refer to the criticism given by the user of a rival company.If I want to hear a honest critic of iOS,I refer to Android sites.If I want to listen to critics of Android,I refer to iOS sites.
So you are saying that all the critics of iOS on this site are not honest and/or any good? Seems like you are undermining most of the commentary you make. Not really sure what the rational there might be (with the probablity of there not even being one being quite high).
 
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Why is the tech out of date? Especially compared to the S7 Edge?

You can look at almost every part of the 6s, and it's out of date compared to similarly priced phones: the screen is far lower resolution and isn't even OLED, the processor is 2 core vs 8 core, the RAM is 2gb vs 4gb, the storage is 16gb in the base model and isn't expandable, there is no wireless charging, no widgets, very limited multitasking, and there is no waterproofing. In essence, Apple seem to have systematically ignored all the major developments from the cellphone industry for the last few years, while simultaneously bringing in force touch, which is functionally the same as a long press (IMHO they did this so they could transform what should have been a software feature into a hardware feature in a blatant cash grab, rather than make it available to all users of iOS).

I think it would be wonderful if Apple released a phone that had the latest tech in it. A phone like that would really be worth the premium price, but I can't see it happening any time soon. They are simply too invested in pointless gimmicks at this stage.
 
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You can look at almost every part of the 6s, and it's out of date compared to similarly priced phones: the screen is far lower resolution and isn't even OLED, the processor is 2 core vs 8 core, the RAM is 2gb vs 4gb, the storage is 16gb in the base model and isn't expandable, there is no wireless charging, no widgets, very limited multitasking, and there is no waterproofing. In essence, Apple seem to have systematically ignored all the major developments from the cellphone industry for the last few years, while simultaneously bringing in force touch, which is functionally the same as a long press.

I think it would be wonderful if Apple released a phone that had the latest tech in it. A phone like that would really be worth the premium price, but I can't see it happening anytime soon. They are simply too invested in pointless gimmicks at this stage.
Simply higher spec numbers or different technologies don't necessarily mean something is out of date (probably as most Android users would agree, for example, when it came to Android phones that were out when iPhones went 64-bit).
 

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You can look at almost every part of the 6s, and it's out of date compared to similarly priced phones: the screen is far lower resolution and isn't even OLED, the processor is 2 core vs 8 core, the RAM is 2gb vs 4gb, the storage is 16gb in the base model and isn't expandable.
Yet the A9 processor & 2gb Ram in the iPhone 6S/+ generally perform at the same level of performance as an 8 core with 4gb ram android device. Raw Specs can be deceiving, and whilst 16gb is pathetic, other manufacturers are still offering 16gb base and not all offer user expandability. Nexus devices for example.

My iPhone 6S+ still feels as snappy as any of my 2016 Android handsets. I don't see a need for Apple to embrace an 8 core CPU simply because folks may perceive 8 as bigger & better than 2. The Snapdragon 820 for example forgoes 8 Cores of the 810 before it, or the 6 in the 808, yet it's 4 core is much better than its immediate predecessors 8.
 
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Yet the A9 processor & 2gb Ram in the iPhone 6S/+ generally perform at the same level of performance as an 8 core with 4gb ram android device. Raw Specs can be deceiving ...

You have it reversed. 8 core/4 gb performs almost at the same level as A9/X/2gb.
 

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So you are saying that all the critics of iOS on this site are not honest and/or any good? Seems like you are undermining most of the commentary you make. Not really sure what the rational there might be (with the probablity of there not even being one being quite high).
My point was that those who use Android can easily and rationally point out flaws in iOS and vice versa.Considering I own a Windows Phone,3 iOS devices,1 Galaxy A7 anD 2 Nexus devices I already am a user of both ecosystem s
 

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You mean why would a device aimed squarely at Enterprise, and a tablet, require different hardware architecture than a smartphone? Are you sure that's the question you want to ask?
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Not enough RAM for what? The iPhone runs faster than Android phones in most benchmarks. Android requires lots of RAM to compensate. It's a heavy, bloated OS. And point of fact even with such specs most Android phones have bouts of lag and stutter regardless.
There is NOTHING pro about the "Pro" It's just a way to jack up the price and give even less storage for what we were getting before.iPad Pro aimed at enterprise?What can it's software do which the iPad Air 2 cannot.Increasing the RAM and making a faster processor doesn't mean much when there are hardly any apps to take advantage of it

Also Stock Android doesn't require much RAM to operate.My Nexus 7 on 2 gigs of RAM performs nearly as fast an an iPad
 

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You can look at almost every part of the 6s, and it's out of date compared to similarly priced phones: the screen is far lower resolution and isn't even OLED, the processor is 2 core vs 8 core, the RAM is 2gb vs 4gb, the storage is 16gb in the base model and isn't expandable, there is no wireless charging, no widgets, very limited multitasking, and there is no waterproofing. In essence, Apple seem to have systematically ignored all the major developments from the cellphone industry for the last few years, while simultaneously bringing in force touch, which is functionally the same as a long press (IMHO they did this so they could transform what should have been a software feature into a hardware feature in a blatant cash grab, rather than make it available to all users of iOS).

I think it would be wonderful if Apple released a phone that had the latest tech in it. A phone like that would really be worth the premium price, but I can't see it happening any time soon. They are simply too invested in pointless gimmicks at this stage.

Again, like someone else mentioned, when the O/S is tuned properly, you don't need 8 cores, 4gb of ram. Also the Retina panel on the iphone is very good and very CLOSE to a S7 Edge in clarity. It may not have the over-saturated look of the colors like Samsung likes to do, but the colors are more realistic. I do agree 16gb for a base model isn't good any more, but for some people who just need a basic phone, and don't care for apps that much, it is just enough.
They don't ignore, they give what is required to have a device run smoothly. The more cores you have, the more battery they use.
 
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Is that why the 6s beats the s7 in benchmarks because it's years out of date?
lol......benchmarks mean what exactly? Which benchmarks? If you're going to tout benchmarks as a feature so to speak when the iphone wins. You certainly have to recognise it as such when the iphone loses as well.
There are a LOT of benchmarks and a LOT of Android phones.
 
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lol......benchmarks mean what exactly? Which benchmarks? If you're going to tout benchmarks as a feature so to speak when the iphone wins. You certainly have to recognise it as such when the iphone loses as well.
There are a LOT of benchmarks and a LOT of Android phones.
Benchmarks mean as much as a generic statement like "iPhone is light years behind the s7 in tech".

I'm going to go out in a limb and give you a lot of credit and ask if you really believe this statement is true as you own these devices.
 
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