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tbayrgs

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Isn't it getting delayed and won't be a part of the N release?

Yup, all the proof needed about the validity of @Radon87000's post. Google pulled their '3D Touch' equivalent out of N. And if 64bit is so useless and irrelevant, why have the latest CPUs from Qualcomm and Samsung been 64bit? ;)
 

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I still stick to my comment. Releasing a 64 bit product when there was nothing to make use of it does not make it a feature or innovation. In fact one could say that such a feature has no use if there is nothing that can make use of said feature.
And I stick to mine that nothing about innovation was mentioned on my part in relation to that. And that the main thing I was pointing out is that it logically doesn't make sense to say something was too early if that every something is what spurred/pushed ahead those things that it was too early for (and it would have been either too early no matter when it would have been done in that sense, or would have been too late if someone else would have been too early and pushed those things ahead instead).
 

Radon87000

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Isn't it getting delayed and won't be a part of the N release?
Yes.Its going to be added later on as part of the release
Most recent reports state that it won't be part of android N at launch but will be added shortly after launch as a update to N possibly as a maintenance update..

But importantly ....

It also requires the hardware (pressure sensitive screen) so it is not running on any existing nexus, even those running the N preview.
You can set it up for the menus to launch through swipes.The actual 3D Touch would need dedicated hardware but the swipe implementation works fine
Yup, all the proof needed about the validity of @Radon87000's post. Google pulled their '3D Touch' equivalent out of N. And if 64bit is so useless and irrelevant, why have the latest CPUs from Qualcomm and Samsung been 64bit? ;)
There's a difference between being pulled and being delayed.It will be added later on
64 bit is just like a spec box.Added just for the sake of it.Why is 4K recording there on 16Gb phones?Specs

I don't see any practical benefit of 64bit.Even UFS storage has shown more tangible benefits
 

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Yes.Its going to be added later on as part of the release

You can set it up for the menus to launch through swipes.The actual 3D Touch would need dedicated hardware but the swipe implementation works fine

There's a difference between being pulled and being delayed.It will be added later on
64 bit is just like a spec box.Added just for the sake of it.Why is 4K recording there on 16Gb phones?Specs

I don't see any practical benefit of 64bit.Even UFS storage has shown more tangible benefits
More Deflections. You not seeing practical benefit of 64 bit says more about your inability to piece together a technology puzzle rather answering why latest phones are all 64 bit.

And an unimplemented delayed technology, which copies an existing technology destroys it? Ok then.
 
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I almost pitched my iPhone at the wall this morning, gd iTunes.

I go to add 1 album, ONE. And iTunes insists on putting every frigging song on my computer on the phone. This is not the first time garbage iTunes had done this.

All syncing set to manual, box checked to avoid auto sync, but regardless it does what it wants.

I hate iTunes. Loathe.
I've given up completely on iTunes. These days I use Google Play Music. Not only is it a vastly better interface, but it is also much easier to get music onto your iPhone as well: you upload your music from your computer, tick the playlist you want and your phone downloads it. It also hasn't messed up my music library (unlike Apple's effort). This just show me how bad Apple has got, that their competitors are doing a better job at syncing software TO APPLE'S OWN DEVICES than Apple is.

On the flip side, once you have your music uploaded, it's just as easy to download it to an Android device instead.
 
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MRU

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I've given up completely on iTunes. These days I use Google Play Music. Not only is it a vastly better interface, but it is also much easier to get music onto your iPhone as well: you tick the playlist you want and your phone downloads it. It also hasn't messed up my music library when I uploaded it. This just show me how bad Apple has got, that their competitors are doing a better job at syncing software than Apple is.

Fine if you want to download your music onto your iPhone but many folks would prefer to simply sync our already downloaded music direct to our phones without having to re-download it every time we want to change content on our iOS device.

Google play music is great, but as a solution to a sync issue, it's not any much of an improvement over using Apple Music with iTunes Match if you are willing to download your music to your iPhone.

There is no way on iOS devices of putting content already downloaded on your computer into google play music without first uploading/matching them and then re-downloading them. For many of us that's just as much an inconvenience.. I don't want to have to redownload 10-15gb music when I change playlist, especially if the content is already sat on my computer and would take a fraction of the time to sync via computer direct.

As much as Apple need to improve, so does Google. It's decision to segregate itself completely from any existing content on your iOS device unlike its Android counterpart is equally annoying. Meaning if you want to sync pre-downloaded content from your Mac or Windows computer and also use Google Play Music, you will have to use two seperate music apps unlike on Android. This is not an API or Apple issue, it's a design choice Google made on iOS which is annoying as hell, even for me as a Google Play Music Subscriber. Other 3rd party music players and cloud music players sync with your existing music library and cloud on iOS - so Google made the design choice themselves.

So yes as much as ITunes needs improving, but to say GPM is like a bastion of usability in comparison is flawed as it too has its own share of usability issues.

As I point out, your downloading solution offers nothing better functionality wise than iTunes Match and the stock Apple Music Player offers (albeit iTunes Match costs $25 a year).
 
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Radon87000

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More Deflections. You not seeing practical benefit of 64 bit says more about your inability to piece together a technology puzzle rather answering why latest phones are all 64 bit.

And an unimplemented delayed technology, which copies an existing technology destroys it? Ok then.
Not just me.Technical analysis proves its useless in practical usage
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...-marketing-fluff-and-wont-improve-performance

It's moronic to claim 64bit is on the level of an OLED display in innovation terms.Like some Androids who use absurdly high resolution it's just marketing

Yup.Android enabled my old hardware to use a form of 3D Touch unlike Apple who forces me to buy a new phone.In addition Android opened up the API more than Apple which makes it more useful
 

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Not just me.Technical analysis proves its useless in practical usage
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...-marketing-fluff-and-wont-improve-performance

It's moronic to claim 64bit is on the level of an OLED display in innovation terms.Like some Androids who use absurdly high resolution it's just marketing

Yup.Android enabled my old hardware to use a form of 3D Touch unlike Apple who forces me to buy a new phone.In addition Android opened up the API more than Apple which makes it more useful
What's a form of 3D Touch?
 

MRU

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Yup.Android enabled my old hardware to use a form of 3D Touch unlike Apple who forces me to buy a new phone.In addition Android opened up the API more than Apple which makes it more useful

What you currently have is no different to the swipe options in something like Action Launcher 3 or even the stock BlackBerry Launcher on Android. It is not in any shape or form the same as 3D Touch or Force Touch and to claim it is, is disingenuous.

Likewise claiming it is more useful without it being properly available on any hardware from Google and without any third parties utilising it on any app is equally disingenuous. (Excluding the very dire implementation Huawei used in their Mate device with Force Touch).

Whilst you could say 'potentially' it 'could' offer more functionality, to make definitive statements or claim that it does right now as you are is completely fallacious.
 
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As I point out, your downloading solution offers nothing better functionality wise than iTunes Match and the stock Apple Music Player offers (albeit iTunes Match costs $25 a year).
In theory, Google Play Music doesn't offer anything different, apart from the fact that it actually WORKS while Apple's effort is just a mess; It screws up music libraries, randomly deletes music and is horrible as hell to use. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer it wasn't this way (I miss the old Apple), but their current ability to write software seems to be almost as good as Microsoft's, in 1995.
 
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MRU

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In theory, Google Play Music doesn't offer anything different, apart from the fact that it actually WORKS while Apple's effort is just a mess; It screws up music libraries, randomly deletes music and is horrible as hell to use. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer it wasn't this way (I miss the old Apple), but their current ability to write software seems to be almost as good as Microsoft's, in 1995.
Google Play Music can have issues with double and compilation albums. I have my entire music library synced to it (over 50,000 tracks) and there is just as many miss matches or albums that have been sliced into two (showing as two albums) as in iTunes Match in my own experience. It certainly is not error free by any means.
 

I7guy

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Not just me.Technical analysis proves its useless in practical usage
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...-marketing-fluff-and-wont-improve-performance

It's moronic to claim 64bit is on the level of an OLED display in innovation terms.Like some Androids who use absurdly high resolution it's just marketing

Yup.Android enabled my old hardware to use a form of 3D Touch unlike Apple who forces me to buy a new phone.In addition Android opened up the API more than Apple which makes it more useful
Nice, extreme hyperbole. Good job.

Instead of quoting a three year old article , which is deflection, find a 2016 article saying what a waste of silicon that 64 bit is and that it was over-hyped and that mobile phones should go back to 32 bit. I would be truly impressed if you could do that.

It's "moronic" to think that 64 bit isn't the enabler of tons of software innovation. I'd take that over oled any day, and I have along with tens of millions of other customers. Perfect example s6; howd that work out for Samsung?

As far as a lesser form of 3D Touch, yep what you said.
 
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Phoenixx

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Google Play Music can have issues with double and compilation albums. I have my entire music library synced to it (over 50,000 tracks) and there is just as many miss matches or albums that have been sliced into two (showing as two albums) as in iTunes Match in my own experience. It certainly is not error free by any means.
I never claimed Google Play Music was error free. But, what it doesn't do is mess up the library of music on your computer which is uploaded in the first place. By contrast Apple's effort DOES mess it up, with everything from artwork screw ups to deletions. And, of course, Apple's effort means dealing with the software monstrosity known as iTunes.
 

Radon87000

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What you currently have is no different to the swipe options in something like Action Launcher 3 or even the stock BlackBerry Launcher on Android. It is not in any shape or form the same as 3D Touch or Force Touch and to claim it is, is disingenuous.

Likewise claiming it is more useful without it being properly available on any hardware from Google and without any third parties utilising it on any app is equally disingenuous. (Excluding the very dire implementation Huawei used in their Mate device with Force Touch).

Whilst you could say 'potentially' it 'could' offer more functionality, to make definitive statements or claim that it does right now as you are is completely fallacious.

It's offering the 3D touch menus which is essentially a right click .Dedicated hardware will always be better but kudos to Google for enabling it on mostly all phones

Nice, extreme hyperbole. Good job.

Instead of quoting a three year old article , which is deflection, find a 2016 article saying what a waste of silicon that 64 bit is and that it was over-hyped and that mobile phones should go back to 32 bit. I would be truly impressed if you could do that.

It's "moronic" to think that 64 bit isn't the enabler of tons of software innovation. I'd take that over oled any day, and I have along with tens of millions of other customers. Perfect example s6; howd that work out for Samsung?

As far as a lesser form of 3D Touch, yep what you said.
http://www.androidguys.com/2015/07/02/android-501-what-is-the-soc-32-bit-v-64-bit/

The important bit from the article


The 64-bit processor is more of a “for the future” type deal. Most applications are not even designed to take advantage of the 64-bit processor, they treat them as plain old 32-bit processors.

They are able to do this by utilizing hardware emulation. Currently, the 64-bit processor doesn’t really yield any end user advantages. However, this will change in time.

It's nowhere near a big deal as you make it out to be

64bit better than OLED?Lmao Maybe in an alternate dimension.

Is that why Apple postponed OLED for the 10th anniversary iPhone leaving the iPhone 7 with practically no upgrade worthy features?

Not a lower form of 3d touch for phones having dedicated hardware.At least Google gave me a feature with existing hardware ,something I have to jailbreak my iPhone to achieve.
 
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MRU

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I never claimed Google Play Music was error free. But, what it doesn't do is mess up the library of music on your computer which is uploaded in the first place. By contrast Apple's effort DOES mess it up, with everything from artwork screw ups to deletions. And, of course, Apple's effort means dealing with the software monstrosity known as iTunes.

That has reportedly happened to some users but you are making out as if it happens to all users which is simply not true.
 

I7guy

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It's offering the 3D touch menus which is essentially a right click .Dedicated hardware will always be better but kudos to Google for enabling it on mostly all phones


http://www.androidguys.com/2015/07/02/android-501-what-is-the-soc-32-bit-v-64-bit/

The important bit from the article


The 64-bit processor is more of a “for the future” type deal. Most applications are not even designed to take advantage of the 64-bit processor, they treat them as plain old 32-bit processors.

They are able to do this by utilizing hardware emulation. Currently, the 64-bit processor doesn’t really yield any end user advantages. However, this will change in time.

It's nowhere near a big deal as you make it out to be

64bit better than OLED?Lmao Maybe in an alternate dimension.

Is that why Apple postponed OLED for the 10th anniversary iPhone leaving the iPhone 7 with practically no upgrade worthy features?

Not a lower form of 3d touch for phones having dedicated hardware.At least Google gave me a feature with existing hardware ,something I have to jailbreak my iPhone to achieve.
The future has started with 5S in 2013. The first application to take advantage of 64 bit in a big way was touchid. Someone had to be first and it was apple. So three years later due to 64 bit (and apple pushing the envelope with the 5s) Samsung is offering 4gb of memory in it's phones. Something it could technically do without 64 bit, but would have a tough time accessing the extra memory in applications (emm386 anyone?)

Again the article is 1 year old, which in the technology space is years ago. And which mobile phone manufactured in 2016 has 32 bit? Stll waiting for that answer.

As far as a "form of 3D Touch", sure software can emulate hardware to a degree, but the hardware plus haptic feedback makes the system unique in terms of peek and pop, opening links etc, That the system can read the "pressure" allows for more flexibility than press/long-press.

How do you know apples plans? My assessment, your version of "no upgrade worthy features" is going to translate into a blockbuster phone with record sales. Probably sell more phones launch weekend than the total sales of the s7.
 
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grahamperrin

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… acceptable to read a link and then come back and discuss it. A lot of links are posted in these forums …

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… heavily moderated you can't fart without your post being deleted. At most it is medium intensity debate. …

I suspect that links from some people are too intense for readers. And/or that links in general are too intense for some readers.

… nastiness …

Why are people in here so mean?
 
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Most recent reports state that it won't be part of android N at launch but will be added shortly after launch as a update to N possibly as a maintenance update..

But importantly ....

It also requires the hardware (pressure sensitive screen) so it is not running on any existing nexus, even those running the N preview.

I was wondering how it was supposedly being used on current hardware. I had thought Google might have done something different.

Yes.Its going to be added later on as part of the release

You can set it up for the menus to launch through swipes.The actual 3D Touch would need dedicated hardware but the swipe implementation works fine

There's a difference between being pulled and being delayed.It will be added later on
64 bit is just like a spec box.Added just for the sake of it.Why is 4K recording there on 16Gb phones?Specs

I don't see any practical benefit of 64bit.Even UFS storage has shown more tangible benefits


It's offering the 3D touch menus which is essentially a right click .Dedicated hardware will always be better but kudos to Google for enabling it on mostly all phones


http://www.androidguys.com/2015/07/02/android-501-what-is-the-soc-32-bit-v-64-bit/

The important bit from the article


The 64-bit processor is more of a “for the future” type deal. Most applications are not even designed to take advantage of the 64-bit processor, they treat them as plain old 32-bit processors.

They are able to do this by utilizing hardware emulation. Currently, the 64-bit processor doesn’t really yield any end user advantages. However, this will change in time.

It's nowhere near a big deal as you make it out to be

64bit better than OLED?Lmao Maybe in an alternate dimension.

Is that why Apple postponed OLED for the 10th anniversary iPhone leaving the iPhone 7 with practically no upgrade worthy features?

Not a lower form of 3d touch for phones having dedicated hardware.At least Google gave me a feature with existing hardware ,something I have to jailbreak my iPhone to achieve.

They have you a long press and a special long press. That's not 3D Touch, and calling it so kind of makes you seem silly.
[doublepost=1465744056][/doublepost]
That has reportedly happened to some users but you are making out as if it happens to all users which is simply not true.

It's popular to hate iTunes.
 

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It's offering the 3D touch menus which is essentially a right click .Dedicated hardware will always be better but kudos to Google for enabling it on mostly all phones


http://www.androidguys.com/2015/07/02/android-501-what-is-the-soc-32-bit-v-64-bit/

The important bit from the article


The 64-bit processor is more of a “for the future” type deal. Most applications are not even designed to take advantage of the 64-bit processor, they treat them as plain old 32-bit processors.

They are able to do this by utilizing hardware emulation. Currently, the 64-bit processor doesn’t really yield any end user advantages. However, this will change in time.

It's nowhere near a big deal as you make it out to be

64bit better than OLED?Lmao Maybe in an alternate dimension.

Is that why Apple postponed OLED for the 10th anniversary iPhone leaving the iPhone 7 with practically no upgrade worthy features?

Not a lower form of 3d touch for phones having dedicated hardware.At least Google gave me a feature with existing hardware ,something I have to jailbreak my iPhone to achieve.
So basically not 3D Touch at all. Got it.
 

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I was wondering how it was supposedly being used on current hardware. I had thought Google might have done something different.





They have you a long press and a special long press. That's not 3D Touch, and calling it so kind of makes you seem silly.
[doublepost=1465744056][/doublepost]

It's popular to hate iTunes.

That's cos it's sh*t!!
 
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