Some days I feel like ditching Apple

[MRU]

I agree with this. Why is it so important to you guys that i7Guy admits that Apple is falling out of the sky, in a sinking ship, etc, lol and if he doesn't, it invalidates all of his arguments? That said, reading all of this is sure a lot of fun. I'd buy ya'll a round of beer to keep it up.

What I don't understand is why the members who clearly are never going to be civil to each other simply do not or can not utilise the ignore feature and block each other.

The behaviour in these forums is often demonstration of the worst possible with utter disrespect and disregard followed by a big share of the gang mentality bullying. For a visitor to this forum it can only come across as the most vile place to post at times.

It inevitably leads to timeouts and warning from moderators and yet still persists even after. Then the usual blame game of 'well they started it' as justification to carry on the bad behaviour.

If someone is posting nonsense, by all means reply to them, but this persistency is to the point where posters are essentially trolling each other, and it's clear that posts are being made from all sides to garner reaction and then masqueraded under the term discussion, when this is simply not how people have discussions in the real world.


If a poster is persistently posting stuff you object to or you have suspicion are doing so to troll, report them to a moderator. If you dislike what they post and have developed such an objection to their posts, save yourselves the hassle and add the poster to the ignore section and exercise some self control and simply ignore what they post and don't respond.

This continual bitchiness and plain and simple nastiness that has been going on the last few weeks is and should be seen as an embarrassment to all who post here and shouldn't be seen as entertainment.

If it persists then those posters engaging in such behaviour will inevitably be sanctioned, and it will not be anyone's fault but their own as they are choosing to respond / react - rather than merely letting it go and walking away.

 

[Casfin]

I almost pitched my iPhone at the wall this morning, gd iTunes.

I go to add 1 album, ONE. And iTunes insists on putting every frigging song on my computer on the phone. This is not the first time garbage iTunes had done this.

All syncing set to manual, box checked to avoid auto sync, but regardless it does what it wants.

I hate iTunes. Loathe.

 

[MRU]

I almost pitched my iPhone at the wall this morning, gd iTunes.

I go to add 1 album, ONE. And iTunes insists on putting every frigging song on my computer on the phone. This is not the first time garbage iTunes had done this.

All syncing set to manual, box checked to avoid auto sync, but regardless it does what it wants.

I hate iTunes. Loathe.

I have never experienced this, I sync manually myself. Are you using a Mac or Windows out of interest ? Also wondering are you either an Apple Music subscriber or an iTunes Match subscriber ?

I sync manually but I have to tell it initially to ignore my iTunes Match otherwise it would not sync to my computer at all. Once that has been done, I never have an issue.

I generally create a single playlist of songs & albums that I want on my iDevices and its that one playlist I then sync to them.

This works perfectly using iSyncr to my android devices too and as I say never had the issue you describe above.

I'm using a Mac FWIW.

 

[Radon87000]

What declining sales? One down quarter where they only made $40B. Sounds a bit alarmist to me, but oh well, this is the internet, where everybody has an equal voice and are free to post their opinions.

Samsung may be set for a home run, but the iphone 7, will be game, set and match.

You'll have to look up 64 bit to see what benefits the architecture has. It's like saying what benefit does GDI or turbo have? Just because you can't physically see it don't mean there isn't a benefit.

So OLED is now innovation but 64 bit isn't? I guess because it's not in the s7 it's not innovative enough for you. Right?

By declining sales,I mean the first iPhone sales drop in a near decade.And Apple's already predicting an even worse slump
Who even cares about the iPhone 7?Its LITERALLY got nothing in it.Do you seriously believe people will upgrade for a blue color,no antenna lines (I put my iphone in a case so never see em anyway),and no head phone jack (No one's gonna give up their expensive headphones for this stupid feature)
I looked it up.There is NOTHING innovative on the scale a OLED screen gives.There is a reason why Apple is adopting OLED on the 10th anniversary of iPhone.Its a night and day difference
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I almost pitched my iPhone at the wall this morning, gd iTunes.

I go to add 1 album, ONE. And iTunes insists on putting every frigging song on my computer on the phone. This is not the first time garbage iTunes had done this.

All syncing set to manual, box checked to avoid auto sync, but regardless it does what it wants.

I hate iTunes. Loathe.

Happens to me many times.iTunes is like Internet Explorer.A absolutely horribly designed program.I almost envy the Android users who dont have to put up with this piece of garbage on their PC.On top of that,the iTunes software ABSOLUTELY insists to auto start on Windows startup.I had to go to the registry to force it to stop.

 

[jamezr]

Nothing like deflecting and generalizations to further a discussion.


Nope I didn't say that...I said it's been around for a while, and you can do some internet research. Plus @Surf Donkey posted this link in this post.

Some days I feel like ditching Apple

Please read and then let's discuss. Show some initiative man.

I think you're not being honest and engaging in discussions. You bring up points then refuse to discuss them. Instead referring people to "look it up". If you don't want to discuss something then don't bring it up
Everyone here can look things up on the internet and never post here.......but we post things here to get other opinions and engage in discussion.
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I'm looking forward to battery savings on OLED and maybe almost no battery usage for notifications (like the Moto X). Only thing I'm worried about is outdoor usage. iOS 10 with dark theme ? CANT WAIT.

<sarcasm> What you talking about? Apple invented the OLED and Samsung stole it!!! </sarcasm>

Now we're talking! I have seen some renders of iphones with OLED displays and the dark themes! drooling......

 

[I7guy]

I think you're not being honest and engaging in discussions. You bring up points then refuse to discuss them. Instead referring people to "look it up". If you don't want to discuss something then don't bring it up
Everyone here can look things up on the internet and never post here.......but we post things here to get other opinions and engage in discussion.

Same here. You are in IT as you said in other posts, so to me, I don't like spoon feeding. It's perfectly acceptable to read a link and then come back and discuss it. A lot of links are posted in these forums...

So I'll start the discussion and you continue. 64 bit provides faster memory access in less cpu cycles and access to more memory. Both of which provide for a better user experience and further innovations in software development, which benefit the end-users. It's like everything else technological, advancements in technologies across the board provide for more functionality, which directly benefit the end-users. This taken directly from the link. Your thoughts?
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By declining sales,I mean the first iPhone sales drop in a near decade.And Apple's already predicting an even worse slump
Who even cares about the iPhone 7?Its LITERALLY got nothing in it.Do you seriously believe people will upgrade for a blue color,no antenna lines (I put my iphone in a case so never see em anyway),and no head phone jack (No one's gonna give up their expensive headphones for this stupid feature)
I looked it up.There is NOTHING innovative on the scale a OLED screen gives.There is a reason why Apple is adopting OLED on the 10th anniversary of iPhone.Its a night and day difference
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Happens to me many times.iTunes is like Internet Explorer.A absolutely horribly designed program.I almost envy the Android users who dont have to put up with this piece of garbage on their PC.On top of that,the iTunes software ABSOLUTELY insists to auto start on Windows startup.I had to go to the registry to force it to stop.

So for the bolded, basically apple is imploding. Right?

As far as the rest of your post it's hyperbole and generalizations and one person's opinion.

As far as itunes, I don't have an issue with it. It backups my phone, encrypted and I sync a small amount of music and videos.

 

[jamezr]

Same here. You are in IT as you said in other posts, so to me, I don't like spoon feeding. It's perfectly acceptable to read a link and then come back and discuss it. A lot of links are posted in these forums...

So I'll start the discussion and you continue. 64 bit provides faster memory access in less cpu cycles and access to more memory. Both of which provide for a better user experience and further innovations in software development, which benefit the end-users. It's like everything else technological, advancements in technologies across the board provide for more functionality, which directly benefit the end-users. This taken directly from the link. Your thoughts?

Thank you! I appreciate your explanation I think 64 bit architecture is great as long as the processors have the data width to support the faster data paths. Then it serves no purpose if the application are not optimised to allow for the faster access to the processor threads. The problem Apple had when they introduced 64 bit was there was no applications optimised to support it.
Now days the infrastructure and dev and applications all (well most anyway) support 64 bit. So there is a clear useful benefit. But not so in 2013 when Apple introduced it. The benefits weren't seen until years later.

 

[BigMcGuire]

Very nice @I7guy and @jamezr now that's fun to read. +1 to you both.

 

[I7guy]

Thank you! I appreciate your explanation I think 64 bit architecture is great as long as the processors have the data width to support the faster data paths. Then it serves no purpose if the application are not optimised to allow for the faster access to the processor threads. The problem Apple had when they introduced 64 bit was there was no applications optimised to support it.
Now days the infrastructure and dev and applications all (well most anyway) support 64 bit. So there is a clear useful benefit. But not so in 2013 when Apple introduced it. The benefits weren't seen until years later.

You are 100% correct.

Some software advancement always lags hardware. 64 bit, for example, on intel processors has been around for a while, formerly called IA-64. It wasn't until the Nehalem architecture was released as Core i7 in 2008, along with Vista that 64 bit was no longer for specialized applications. Now I don't think you can buy a 32 general laptop or desktop running windows or os x.

The mobile phone space is starting the same pattern, except in 2013, apples goal was to use 64 bit for the encryption and decryption of touchid, but that was only the start. Now Samsung is putting 4gb of memory into it's phones, made possible by 64 bit addressing. With that large memory space applications formerly reserved for "big" computers such as video and sound editing are now within reach of mobile phones. Certainly an innovation to do that type of work on a mobile phone.

 

[jamezr]

You are 100% correct.

Some software advancement always lags hardware. 64 bit, for example, on intel processors has been around for a while, formerly called IA-64. It wasn't until the Nehalem architecture was released as Core i7 in 2008, along with Vista that 64 bit was no longer for specialized applications. Now I don't think you can buy a 32 general laptop or desktop running windows or os x.

The mobile phone space is starting the same pattern, except in 2013, apples goal was to use 64 bit for the encryption and decryption of touchid, but that was only the start. Now Samsung is putting 4gb of memory into it's phones, made possible by 64 bit addressing. With that large memory space applications formerly reserved for "big" computers such as video and sound editing are now within reach of mobile phones. Certainly an innovation to do that type of work on a mobile phone.

I am not so sure about innovation. But a great feature for sure. The benefits weren't seen until years later. TouchID is awesome and great feature as well. Apple does a great job at taking an existing technology and enhancing it. They do it very well in fact. But it was still an existing technology. They are just creative enough to put a different spin on it.

 

[Wildo6882]

Very nice @I7guy and @jamezr now that's fun to read. +1 to you both.

I'll keep in the discussion too for that beer...

 

[C DM]

Not to mention that it was 3 years ago that they introduced it. Which is decades ago in tech years. But that was great innovation but making a completely waterproof phone with open ports and making what is known to be the best, most energy efficient OLED display is not.

Decades ago and pretty much no one else had it for some time after that, so others were decades behind then?
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I am not so sure about innovation. But a great feature for sure. The benefits weren't seen until years later. TouchID is awesome and great feature as well. Apple does a great job at taking an existing technology and enhancing it. They do it very well in fact. But it was still an existing technology. They are just creative enough to put a different spin on it.

And that is actually innovation as well.
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Thank you! I appreciate your explanation I think 64 bit architecture is great as long as the processors have the data width to support the faster data paths. Then it serves no purpose if the application are not optimised to allow for the faster access to the processor threads. The problem Apple had when they introduced 64 bit was there was no applications optimised to support it.
Now days the infrastructure and dev and applications all (well most anyway) support 64 bit. So there is a clear useful benefit. But not so in 2013 when Apple introduced it. The benefits weren't seen until years later.

Well, in that sense it's likely that the introduction of it all promoted the applications and dev work to move ahead and be where it is. If Apple released it later then a lot of that work would have shifted to being later as well and the same "too early" comments could be made. Sort of a chicken vs. the egg type of phenomenon.

 

[Wildo6882]

Decades ago and pretty much no one else had it for some time after that, so others were decades behind then?

My statement was referring to 64 bit architecture. Which I'm pretty sure all top shelf Android phones have had for about a year and a half. Since the S6 last year and the Snapdragon 810. So, no, they're not decades behind Apple. My comment was also referring to the last great innovation from Apple was almost 3 years ago. Something that really changed the landscape of phones and mobile tech.

I admit it was a great advancement. But no one really saw the fruits of that for a good year or so.

But what no one who's fighting for Apple in here gets about my comments is that I LOVE Apple. I want MORE from them. They pretty much made the smartphone market what it is today. But that was 9 years ago.

I just want more from them now.

 

[jamezr]

Decades ago and pretty much no one else had it for some time after that, so others were decades behind then?
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And that is actually innovation as well.
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Well, in that sense it's likely that the introduction of it all promoted the applications and dev work to move ahead and be where it is. If Apple released it later then a lot of that work would have shifted to being later as well and the same "too early" comments could be made. Sort of a chicken vs. the egg type of phenomenon.

I disagree...just because Apple did 64 bit when no one else did in a smartphone is not innovation. There was no benefit to the end user for what 3 years? So along the chicken and egg....Sony introduced a 4K screen and ability to shoot 4K video before anyone else. Yet the end user really saw no benefit from it because the hardware.software could not supoort the new feature. But hey they were first. It wasn't innovation for a useless (at the time) feature. Apple introduced 64 bit architecture in 2013 yet there were no apps and no dev to support it. So what was the benefit in 2013?
Samsung has curved screens on their flagship phones. Is that great innovation? Rumors are Apple will follow with the same in 2017 with the iphone 8. Will that be innovation when Apple does it?
We can go around all day with your premise......it serves no purpose.
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My statement was referring to 64 bit architecture. Which I'm pretty sure all top shelf Android phones have had for about a year and a half. Since the S6 last year and the Snapdragon 810. So, no, they're not decades behind Apple. My comment was also referring to the last great innovation from Apple was almost 3 years ago. Something that really changed the landscape of phones and mobile tech.

I admit it was a great advancement. But no one really saw the fruits of that for a good year or so.

But what no one who's fighting for Apple in here gets about my comments is that I LOVE Apple. I want MORE from them. They pretty much made the smartphone market what it is today. But that was 9 years ago.

I just want more from them now.

My sentiments are exactly the same! I want and expect more from them than the status quo we have been getting.
I think they have it in them. But I don't think we will see it until the iphone of 2017 to be honest.

 

[C DM]

I disagree...just because Apple did 64 bit when no one else did in a smartphone is not innovation. There was no benefit to the end user for what 3 years? So along the chicken and egg....Sony introduced a 4K screen and ability to shoot 4K video before anyone else. Yet the end user really saw no benefit from it because the hardware.software could not supoort the new feature. But hey they were first. It wasn't innovation for a useless (at the time) feature. Apple introduced 64 bit architecture in 2013 yet there were no apps and no dev to support it. So what was the benefit in 2013?
Samsung has curved screens on their flagship phones. Is that great innovation? Rumors are Apple will follow with the same in 2017 with the iphone 8. Will that be innovation when Apple does it?
We can go around all day with your premise......it serves no purpose.
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My sentiments are exactly the same! I want and expect more from them than the status quo we have been getting.
I think they have it in them. But I don't think we will see it until the iphone of 2017 to be honest.

The innovation part of that post was in relation to what Apple did with TouchID (as an example that was provided).

At for the 64-bit part and basically saying it wasn't meaningful when Apple did it because there wasn't much for it at the time, makes it actually the opposite of not being meaningful as by doing it Apple pushed all those things to actually happen sooner rather than later at some point. Had Apple waited then things would have staged later and Apple would have still been "too early", or alternatively if something else pushed those things ahead and Apple would have only gone with it then, then we'd surely hear about Apple being "too late".

 

[jamezr]

The innovation part of that post was in relation to what Apple did with TouchID (as an example that was provided).

At for the 64-bit part and basically saying it wasn't meaningful when Apple did it because there wasn't much for it at the time, makes it actually the opposite of not being meaningful as by doing it Apple pushed all those things to actually happen sooner rather than later at some point. Had Apple waited then things would have staged later and Apple would have still been "too early", or alternatively if something else pushed those things ahead and Apple would have only gone with it then, then we'd surely hear about Apple being "too late".

That argument of ahead of it's time holds no water...... Any company can add a feature that won't be useful for a few years. That doesn't make it innovation.....

 

[C DM]

My statement was referring to 64 bit architecture. Which I'm pretty sure all top shelf Android phones have had for about a year and a half. Since the S6 last year and the Snapdragon 810. So, no, they're not decades behind Apple. My comment was also referring to the last great innovation from Apple was almost 3 years ago. Something that really changed the landscape of phones and mobile tech.

I admit it was a great advancement. But no one really saw the fruits of that for a good year or so.

But what no one who's fighting for Apple in here gets about my comments is that I LOVE Apple. I want MORE from them. They pretty much made the smartphone market what it is today. But that was 9 years ago.

I just want more from them now.

Well, what Apple did had/has meaning as I mentioned above. It also wasn't the last thing they have done since then. But my comment was about saying it was so long that it was decades ago essentially, that by that logic other phones were years behind Apple.
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That argument of ahead of it's time holds no water...... Any company can add a feature that won't be useful for a few years. That doesn't make it innovation.....

Pretty sure I specifically said the whole 64-bit commentary I was making wasn't about innovation, and yet that is still what gets stuck in there. I was saying that the whole thing about not much being there for it when it was released doesn't hold much water as not much was there primarily because there was nothing released to make use of it.

 

[Wildo6882]

Well, what Apple did had/has meaning as I mentioned above. It also wasn't the last thing they have done since then. But my comment was about saying it was so long that it was decades ago essentially, that by that logic other phones were years behind Apple.

Right. But I'd argue that's the only instance in the last three years where Apple was really ahead of the competition, tech-wise. Maybe the true tone display of the iPad Pro 9.7, but I haven't used one to see how useful it really is. People seem to rave about it.

 

[C DM]

Right. But I'd argue that's the only instance in the last three years where Apple was really ahead of the competition, tech-wise. Maybe the true tone display of the iPad Pro 9.7, but I haven't used one to see how useful it really is. People seem to rave about it.

There's perhaps that in various respects. There certainly was TouchID in there as well, more or less around the same time. In many respects competition became better, which is likely at least partially because they pushed harder to compete with Apple and amongs each other, but more importantly things improved for the consumers by having more and better options available, which will hopefully provide more of a push for Apple to improve as well, given that there perhaps wasn't as much incentive at some earlier points in time.

 

[Wildo6882]

There's perhaps that in various respects. There certainly was TouchID in there as well, more or less around the same time. In many respects competition became better, which is likely at least partially because they pushed harder to comply with Apple and amongs each other, but more importantly things improved for the consumers by having more and better options available, which will hopefully provide more of a push for Apple to improve as well, given that there perhaps wasn't as much incentive at some earlier points in time.

I can agree with that too. That's part of the reason I want Apple to really unleash something brilliant. Not only is it good for me, personally, it also makes the whole market better. It will push Android and Google to push forward, too. We all benefit if Apple comes through with something really great.

 

[IFRIT]

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I'm looking forward to battery savings on OLED and maybe almost no battery usage for notifications (like the Moto X). Only thing I'm worried about is outdoor usage. iOS 10 with dark theme ? CANT WAIT.

<sarcasm> What you talking about? Apple invented the OLED and Samsung stole it!!! </sarcasm>

You will only only really any battery saving if you display a lot of dark things on the screen. If Apple implemented the notifications differently then it would be good but i don't think they will.
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What I don't understand is why the members who clearly are never going to be civil to each other simply do not or can not utilise the ignore feature and block each other.

The behaviour in these forums is often demonstration of the worst possible with utter disrespect and disregard followed by a big share of the gang mentality bullying. For a visitor to this forum it can only come across as the most vile place to post at times.

It inevitably leads to timeouts and warning from moderators and yet still persists even after. Then the usual blame game of 'well they started it' as justification to carry on the bad behaviour.

If someone is posting nonsense, by all means reply to them, but this persistency is to the point where posters are essentially trolling each other, and it's clear that posts are being made from all sides to garner reaction and then masqueraded under the term discussion, when this is simply not how people have discussions in the real world.


If a poster is persistently posting stuff you object to or you have suspicion are doing so to troll, report them to a moderator. If you dislike what they post and have developed such an objection to their posts, save yourselves the hassle and add the poster to the ignore section and exercise some self control and simply ignore what they post and don't respond.

This continual bitchiness and plain and simple nastiness that has been going on the last few weeks is and should be seen as an embarrassment to all who post here and shouldn't be seen as entertainment.

If it persists then those posters engaging in such behaviour will inevitably be sanctioned, and it will not be anyone's fault but their own as they are choosing to respond / react - rather than merely letting it go and walking away.

Please this forum is very heavily moderated you can't fart without your post being deleted. At most it is medium intensity debate.
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By declining sales,I mean the first iPhone sales drop in a near decade.And Apple's already predicting an even worse slump
Who even cares about the iPhone 7?Its LITERALLY got nothing in it.Do you seriously believe people will upgrade for a blue color,no antenna lines (I put my iphone in a case so never see em anyway),and no head phone jack (No one's gonna give up their expensive headphones for this stupid feature)
I looked it up.There is NOTHING innovative on the scale a OLED screen gives.There is a reason why Apple is adopting OLED on the 10th anniversary of iPhone.Its a night and day difference
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Happens to me many times.iTunes is like Internet Explorer.A absolutely horribly designed program.I almost envy the Android users who dont have to put up with this piece of garbage on their PC.On top of that,the iTunes software ABSOLUTELY insists to auto start on Windows startup.I had to go to the registry to force it to stop.

People will upgrade though, just cos Apple..

 

[jamezr]

Pretty sure I specifically said the whole 64-bit commentary I was making wasn't about innovation, and yet that is still what gets stuck in there. I was saying that the whole thing about not much being there for it when it was released doesn't hold much water as not much was there primarily because there was nothing released to make use of it.

I still stick to my comment. Releasing a 64 bit product when there was nothing to make use of it does not make it a feature or innovation. In fact one could say that such a feature has no use if there is nothing that can make use of said feature.

 

[I7guy]

I still stick to my comment. Releasing a 64 bit product when there was nothing to make use of it does not make it a feature or innovation. In fact one could say that such a feature has no use if there is nothing that can make use of said feature.

Touch ID was the consumer of the 64 bit operating system. It was all wrapped up as a package.

 

[Michael Goff]

What about the declining sales?How about the fact that Nokia anD Motorola balance sheets were showing amazing values before the iPhone came out.Those figures are 65% iPhone.Apple is nothing without the iPhone.Now iPhone sales are not what they used to be and are provably going the iPad way.

The iPhone 7 has no antenna bands,a useless dual lens camera(because it's only on the larger model which I detest) and no headphone jack.Lol Samsung has nothing to fear from he iPhone 7.If the renders I saw regarding the Note 6 are any indication,Samsung is all set for another home run

64bit isn't innovation,What practical benefit do you get on your iPhone because of 64bit?Answer nothing.Its just a box on the spec sheet.On the other hand having the best screen on the planet',curved displays,ability to dip the phone in water,bendable displays is innovation.

Now 3D touch would be considered innovation if apps actually supported it properly..Android N destroys iOS in 3d touch.I have it on my Nexus and the implementation is miles beyond what Apple did

Isn't it getting delayed and won't be a part of the N release?

 

[MRU]

Isn't it getting delayed and won't be a part of the N release?

Most recent reports state that it won't be part of android N at launch but will be added shortly after launch as a update to N possibly as a maintenance update..

But importantly ....

It also requires the hardware (pressure sensitive screen) so it is not running on any existing nexus, even those running the N preview.