Wow, episode 7 of Orville clocks in this week at 1 hour 35 minutes. That's movie-sized.
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Star Trek: Alpha to Delta Quadrants & Everything In Between
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Wow, episode 7 of Orville clocks in this week at 1 hour 35 minutes. That's movie-sized.
Of course, you miss the point, dearie. It isn't about inclusion it is about using the show as a vehicle rather than simply including characters of all different backgrounds. One can comment on how blatant it has become and not be anti any group or can actually be a part of that group and notice it as well. If this were a matter of nuance I would understand the lack of ability to notice but this is as said, blatant. All of the "women leads and LGBT" have been in S.T. shows before ... sorry this is a topic one pay grade above.
Bull. Its because a certain sefgment of our society are upset that women and LGBT+ are getting the front seat instead of sitting back in the bus. Everyone hails Star Trek's equality and inclusion - until it's actually practiced on screen.
"Nuance" ia just another way to say "If you have to put it in, don't do it too much to upset my worldview."
But the same crap is happening in the Star Wars world too, with the hate John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran are getting for intruding on the white male Star Wars world.
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Okay maybe it is nuance. This is not about women in the front seat or non-hetero key storylines or characters. This is about how it is done. Now what don't you understand? Janeway as Captain, B'Elanna Torres chief engineer. Seska and Borg Queen key villains..the list goes on. STNG - multiple stories touching on different ways of life, mating etc. Enterprise Tripp gets impregnated. None of this is the issue and never was about inclusion but the how and the agenda in the process. Evidently, it escapes you while many others have seen it as well. As always go take the last word.
I will take the last word when you are wrong. But no mention of LGBT+ or transgender? One episode of TNG (the Riker/alien episode) a few decades ago and even then, it was only suggested and never put out in front. Then there was Beverly and the trill who "switched" from male to female - and of couse she couldn't consider it - a nice, safe storyline. Tripp was played to humor, not any serious look at the issues of transgender.
Well, ST is no longer safe or messing around to appease the ones with sensitive bellies over these issues. Discovery's open views of sexuality represent the future of what's coming than any other ST series has ever.
But of course, once again, YOU brought it up, I didn't. I was taking about how the new shows had one quirky female and how Number One was underutilized. I mentioned Tilly as one of them - and she's straight as far as I remember. Why the h3ll did you bring up Discovery's LGBT+ stuff? You seem obsessed about the subject.
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Seven is wearing a red Starfleet unifiorm. I guess they finally let her in for season 3.
I recently got Paramount+, so I have been watching a lot of Star Trek. Just finished the first season of SNW and really enjoyed it. I am at the start of season three for Discovery and have more mixed feelings. I really like the characters and the special effects are great. My only problem with Discovery is the plots are too complicated for my small brain. There is just so much imagined technology crammed into the plot that it gets a bit tiresome for me. I understand it is sci-fi, but a great Star Trek episode never really puts the technology ahead of the characters and the storytelling. The Discovery cast is so good that they still often manage to shine through, but it seems despite the best efforts of the writers to distract us with the details of spore drives and time traveling Ironman suits. Part of it is me. I have never cared for time travel as a main story arc. It makes the plot kind of pointless because you can always go forward or back in time and change everything that seemed important to the story. But, that’s more of a personal preference thing.
I should say that my favorite all time Star Trek movie was The Voyage Home, which was centered around time travel and whales. But, the story really focused on our fish out of water beloved Star Trek characters coping with the early 20th century. It was priceless.
I should say that my favorite all time Star Trek movie was The Voyage Home, which was centered around time travel and whales. But, the story really focused on our fish out of water beloved Star Trek characters coping with the early 20th century. It was priceless.
I've been doing a rewatch of STE and have a much better appreciation for the show than I used to. Especially after suffering through STP and STD.
In the original Star Trek episode Turnabout Intruder, the woman who switched bodies with Kirk implied that Starfleet did not allow female captains. But Discovery and Strange New Worlds both show the existence of female Starfleet captains in the 23rd century. How did the writers resolve this?
It was broken with Enterprise as well. Recall Archer and Enterprise was saved by another Fed ship captained by a woman Archer was well...rather familiar with.
https://www.vulture.com/2022/07/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-pikes-hair-ranked.html - don't read unless you've seen all the SNW eps.
His later straight up hair was so dynamic they are considering its own show - Pike's Peak or Pike's Bluff.
Evolving times in society, gender equality, and the writers pool, to reflect that. My guess is this change was not addressed in any story line. It’s historical trivial at this point.
For the same reason we have CGI and advanced computerized systems and not cardboard sets. Because this is 2022 and not 1967, and we have to accept that the show will have to change things to match the times.
Are TOS, Discovery, Strange New Worlds all considered canon? Are Discovery and Strange New Worlds in the same timeline and universe as TOS?
So are you saying the South Park creators are inconsistent?
Btw, I never got into South Park, but the few times I did watch it I don’t remember these intros.
I actually enjoyed this clip.
You can't be a slave to canon. I mean, seriously, you want them to justify or explain the rule that women can't be captains? You just pretend it didn't happen, like Luke and Leia's kiss, and move on.
I just heard the sad news that Nichell Nichols passed away.
Yes, she indeed did at age 89. RIPI just heard the sad news that Nichell Nichols passed away.
So are you saying the South Park creators are inconsistent?
Btw, I never got into South Park, but the few times I did watch it I don’t remember these intros.
I actually enjoyed this clip.
Are you saying that Star Trek is a parody of common sense?
That South Park video actually made more sense than many things in Star Trek. Matt and Trey never once said anything about the dog's appearance. There have been TV shows that replaced an actor for the same character. There have also been TV shows which cast the same actor as different, unrelated characters in different episodes. I have never seen a TV show switch through very different looking actors for the same character multiple times within the same episode. But it would not violate the show's internal consistency as long as there were no speech or actions which specifically make reference to the physical characteristics of an actor which then changed when that actor was switched out.
This is unlike Star Trek which did things like:
1. A woman claiming that Starfleet did not allow women to be captain, only for other series that take place in the same timeline and time period to regularly show women Starfleet captains.
2. Next Generation going to great lengths to constantly remind viewers of Data unable to use verbal contractions, with other characters specifically calling it out multiple times - even though he did use them in the first episode (in his normal state and of his own free will, as opposed to some alien influence).
3. Scotty believing that Kirk died in the energy ribbon, then later believing that Kirk came to rescue him in Relics.
No one forced the writers to put these things into the storyline. They chose to do it and then not clean up after themselves. Many of these holes could have been fixed with a single sentence.
So even when the creators of South Park make an intentionally extreme outrageous, off the top video, they still end up making more sense than many Star Trek writers who are allegedly trying to make a seriously thought out show. I'm not sure if that is a testament to Matt and Trey's genius or a knock against Star Trek writers who don't check their work or assume that their fanboys will always come to their rescue. In that regard, those Star Trek writers seem like Apple these days.
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I find it interesting that you call out another poster for trying to inject LGBT issues in response to something that you wrote which contained no mention of LGBT. And here you are doing the same thing, injecting women equality issues into a question about canon and continuity. To paraphrase your response to the other poster, "Why the h3ll did you bring up that stuff? You seem obsessed about the subject."
Either Starfleet really did have that rule or they did not. If Starfleet did have a rule against women serving as captain, then the writers should explain why that rule was in place for the 3 years during TOS, but not before or after TOS. Don't you think that pretending it didn't happen would be like those groups who are accused of denying or 'whitewashing' certain historical events?
If you want to argue that Starfleet never forbade women from serving as captain, then the writers should explain why Janice Lester's claim in Turnabout Intruder was wrong, even if only a single sentence. Turnabout Intruder takes place close enough to early Discovery and Strange New Worlds that the writers could do something. Maybe show a younger Janice Lester who has paranoid delusions that everyone is out to get her because she is a woman, and got in trouble for spreading false claims about Starfleet.
There is nothing about Luke and Leia to ignore. Star Wars is not about people in the United States or even planet Earth. Life on different planets in different galaxies evolved differently and the people on those planets can have different social customs. The same explanation applies when people complain about that character in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness talking about her same sex parents. Now we have different universes, not just planets in a different galaxy.
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Really hard to have a single thought reaction to your post. I really do however, appreciate it and as well, the point you were making. I just never quite thought I would see S.P and S.T. as well as those behind each (of the writing) compared.
With respect to S.T. there certainly were continuity issues between the shows and at times within a show. Some were errors, some was pure laziness not to check before including something and others were in some respect a desired attempt to let go of what didn't work and move forward or perhaps an evolution of sorts.
I'll just say again, I appreciate your point being made and the S.P. contrast and compare.