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Star Trek: Alpha to Delta Quadrants & Everything In Between
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Kirk Meets Uhura In Strange New Worlds Teaser – Trek Central
One of the latest Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Teaser Trailers has shown off an important moment. While it's likely not the first meeting in Star Trek Universe between Nyota Uhura (Celia Rose Gooding) and James T. Kirk (Paul Wesley), it's still a good moment to celebrate. The pair can be seen...
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Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Season 3 Production Delayed – Trek Central
The Writers Guild of America has gone on strike to fight for better terms for its members. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds was due to begin filming its third season on May 2nd, the same day that strike action began. Without writers on sets and writers' rooms closing down, TV and Film projects have...
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Season 2 should already be done and is slated to "air" next month.
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I'm making my way through Picard Season 2 and it ... it... ... it... just wow. I will grit my teeth to get through it and wait for Season 3.
Just finished Season 2 Episode 5.
Looking forward to Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks.
As a TNG trekkie it is just hard to watch this. Doesn't feel like Trek, it's very dark, and Picard seems like a passive for the ride guy. Guinan doesn't seem like Guinan at all... they seem to be putting things into this show just because and stomping all over previous Trek but I won't make this a big complaint post. Don't get me started on the Borg Queen and the needle to neck file transfer steal ... wtf.
Happy to see Q - one of my favorite actors.
Happy to see Q - one of my favorite actors.
Just finished Season 2 Episode 5.
Looking forward to Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks.
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I'm making my way through Picard Season 2 and it ... it... ... it... just wow. I will grit my teeth to get through it and wait for Season 3.
As a TNG trekkie it is just hard to watch this. Doesn't feel like Trek, it's very dark, and Picard seems like a passive for the ride guy. Guinan doesn't seem like Guinan at all... they seem to be putting things into this show just because and stomping all over previous Trek but I won't make this a big complaint post. Don't get me started on the Borg Queen and the needle to neck file transfer steal ... wtf.
Happy to see Q - one of my favorite actors.
Just finished Season 2 Episode 5.
Looking forward to Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks.
Come on, Seven drives angry has to be worth a one star bump
Picard wasn't too bad for an old guy, I guessI'm making my way through Picard Season 2 and it ... it... ... it... just wow. I will grit my teeth to get through it and wait for Season 3.
As a TNG trekkie it is just hard to watch this. Doesn't feel like Trek, it's very dark, and Picard seems like a passive for the ride guy. Guinan doesn't seem like Guinan at all... they seem to be putting things into this show just because and stomping all over previous Trek but I won't make this a big complaint post. Don't get me started on the Borg Queen and the needle to neck file transfer steal ... wtf.
Happy to see Q - one of my favorite actors.
Just finished Season 2 Episode 5.
Looking forward to Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks.
My wife and I are watching Season One of Strange New Worlds. She is still watching it, but I could not take it past episode one.
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Agreed, no complaints there. That was funny. lol. I was trying to recognize where they filmed that (as I've been all over downtown LA in the last few years).Come on, Seven drives angry has to be worth a one star bump
That's Picard's dog IRL too right? (Guinan's dog?)
The constant yelling and degrading of others gets old fast. That's not Trek. These people (main characters) are supposed to be evolved humans lol.
That's not good lol. I did a few episodes of Discovery and noped out of there pretty quickly. It offended me as a Trekkie - I could write a 2 page document with the problems I had with it. lol.Picard wasn't too bad for an old guy, I guess
I had heard SNW was better but we'll see. If I can barely make it through Picard Season 2.... we'll see how this old guy (I'm only 38 but grew up with TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY lol) handles it.
Picard Season 2 does wind up good at the end, but so far as I am into season 3, I'm hoping that some of it does wrap itself up into Season 3, but seeing that that season was basically a facsimile, it has no real bearing on what happens in the following season.
What I am impressed by, however, is Spiner's acting. Because we have been basically stereotyped into what he can do (most only see Data), we forget how dynamic Spiner can act. There's a TON of depth in his acting ability and we get to see it across the first two seasons of Picard. A lot of this is thanks to Frakes directing. You can see his style of directing, especially when it comes to capturing the dynamics of a character. Fun fact: It was Frakes' directing that gave us the eyes of Robert O'Reilly; if he hadn't focused on that, we wouldn't have had Gowron span across 2 different ST series.
BL.
Plus, Frakes had one of the best lines,
when he took Worf's sword and promptly dropped it:
"Oh bleep, I didn't realize it was that heavy!"
"Oh bleep, I didn't realize it was that heavy!"
S4 of Disco wasn't good and was mostly forgettable
. I've watched all of that show and generally enjoyed it before S4, despite it being so different. My expectations for S5 aren't high.For Picard, S1 had really uneven plot density and TBH was kinda disappointing for awhile. At least the ending was good. First 1.5 eps of S2 to me were really good. S2 also ended up well.
If you don't like what you're seeing in Picard S1 or S2, you could probably skip straight to 3. You can go back later, if you like. There isn't really much connection between the seasons. S3 near the end had SO MUCH fan service. Wow! If you were a TNG fan, I think most would love it. The music was great in S3 with lots of intentional nods and homages to previous composers besides some good new music. S3 also had a good ending.
Spiner was great in Picard S3.
I liked SNW. Ep 1 got to good start. There were two Gorn eps that were really good. Ep 8 was a very different ep with everyone not their normal selves and that was probably the weakest. Ep 10 ROCKED if you were a TOS fan. You should rewatch TOS Balance of Terror first before watching SNW ep 10 (finale).
SNW eps are really self-contained.
Well, there is plenty of conflict between Starfleet officers in S3 of Picard. Gene really tied the hands of writers in S1 of TNG saying that there should no be conflict between the crew. Frakes has said many times he doesn't like that and that conflict is the essence of drama, or something like that.
"Of course!"
"Ah, Kirk, my old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? ... It is very cold in space!"
S4 of Disco wasn't good and was mostly forgettable
For Picard, S1 had really uneven plot density and TBH was kinda disappointing for awhile. At least the ending was good. First 1.5 eps of S2 to me were really good. S2 also ended up well.
If you don't like what you're seeing in Picard S1 or S2, you could probably skip straight to 3. You can go back later, if you like. There isn't really much connection between the seasons. S3 near the end had SO MUCH fan service. Wow! If you were a TNG fan, I think most would love it. The music was great in S3 with lots of intentional nods and homages to previous composers besides some good new music. S3 also had a good ending.
Spiner was great in Picard S3.
I liked SNW. Ep 1 got to good start. There were two Gorn eps that were really good. Ep 8 was a very different ep with everyone not their normal selves and that was probably the weakest. Ep 10 ROCKED if you were a TOS fan. You should rewatch TOS Balance of Terror first before watching SNW ep 10 (finale).
SNW eps are really self-contained.
Well, there is plenty of conflict between Starfleet officers in S3 of Picard. Gene really tied the hands of writers in S1 of TNG saying that there should no be conflict between the crew. Frakes has said many times he doesn't like that and that conflict is the essence of drama, or something like that.
For season 2 of Picard, while I mentioned before that it basically is a facsimile of the events (I won't go into why it is that way), Season 1 of Picard going into Season 3 of Picard, chronologically speaking, should be in line without any interference. So as I'm hitting the last episode of season 3 now, I'm seeing a gaping plot hole that I need to make sure is true, so I'll need to watch the finale of Season 1 to find out.
As for Gene tying the hands of the writers, not only did Frakes say that he didn't like that, Wheaton did as well. Wheaton had said a lot of times that season 1 was too utopian for the viewers, who were used to seeing conflict between Kirk and Bones and Spock. Because of those hands being tied, they almost lost the entire series to being cancelled in the middle of the first season. If the episode Code of Honor hadn't been so well received, it would have been cancelled for being as racist as it was; same applies for Angel One being as sexist as it was.
BL.
Thank you for the information about Frakes, Wheaton and the utopian style of Star Trek - did not know that!
Curious, do y'all think that Discovery and Picard go a little too far on the cast hostility / dysfunction of Starfleet?
It's a very jarring difference from TNG/VOY/DS9 for me.
Star Trek constantly mentioned how we as a human species evolved - don't need money, the pursuit of knowledge instead of self, helping others etc... Now - almost every single character is instead mutinying, doing what they think best against orders, carrying grudges, very hostile, etc... It's a little bit much just for the sake of it in my opinion.
Curious as to y'alls thoughts on that.
Curious, do y'all think that Discovery and Picard go a little too far on the cast hostility / dysfunction of Starfleet?
It's a very jarring difference from TNG/VOY/DS9 for me.
Star Trek constantly mentioned how we as a human species evolved - don't need money, the pursuit of knowledge instead of self, helping others etc... Now - almost every single character is instead mutinying, doing what they think best against orders, carrying grudges, very hostile, etc... It's a little bit much just for the sake of it in my opinion.
Curious as to y'alls thoughts on that.
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I think NuTrek is much more realistic to how humans will behave 400 years from now. Yes, we will have involved with many things, like the list you posted - no money, self-improvement, etc. But humans today aren't hugely different from 400 years ago and I doubt we will be so much better 400 years from now. The same jealousies, demons and fears that haunt us today will still be there in 400 years.
I think DS9 was most realistic in that mix of good and the bad. Look at Sisko. He's the hero, a moral man - yet he poisoned a planet just to get a guy who showed him up and tricked the Romulans into a war.
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A better look at Tawny Newsome and Jack Quaid as Mariner and Boimler in "Strange New Worlds."
My only concern here is this.. They both are wearing red. We know what happens to anyone wearing red prior to TNG, or is a Klingon.
😂BL.
Not to mention that psychopathy, sociopathy, vengeance, acquisition of material wealth, personal gain and self interest were all supposed to be a thing of the past. I believe Gene had said that he believed in a future where we evolved and solved the problems that led to such hopelessness and despair. I think Gene, either intuitively or explicitly, understood that such corruption was inherently destructive to a civilization. Look at the Roman Empire. With Star Trek, he gave people a positive and vibrant alternative to an inherently dystopian future (though he, more or less, felt we’d probably go through dystopia first, we humans seem to enjoy learning things the hard way).
With NuTrek, I just feel pessimistic and hopeless about the future. Like, wtf is the point if we’re just going to end up right back at the same dystopian BS we started from. If I wanted “realism,” I’d turn on the effing news. I wish solarpunk was more mainstream, it imagines a positive future.
IMHO, writers today have gotten lazy and rely too much on conflict for drama. They’ve forgotten that it’s absolutely possible to write good stories with solidarity but still have challenges to overcome and problems to solve. These things used to be the essence of great stories. Now it’s all about, “I’m in love with my mother’s brother’s sister’s daughter who killed my uncle’s cousin’s father’s son. I will have my revenge!” To put it another way, all TV shows are effing soap operas, what we used to call trash TV.
The first episode of SNW was the first time I felt as if NuTrek captured the essence of what Star Trek was supposed to be about. I just wish that would carry over to stories in the 25th century and chuck all the other NuTrek BS into its own mirror universe. Of course, maybe SNW is not as good as I think. Maybe I’m just so used to crap TV that mediocrity feels like seeing the face of God or something.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion in your first paragraph. You know the old adage “history is written by the victors.” Given the atrocities committed by the largely victorious imperialists during the colonial period, we tend to look at history through that perspective. They were a small portion of elites who, like most elites, were selfish, petty, and interested primarily in the acquisition of wealth and power. But that was NOT true of most humans back then. Even the European “commoners” were not like that, if you look at history from that point of view.
I think that we can build an egalitarian civilization that is sustainable and works to keep our worst impulses in check and at bay. I think we can even evolve to a point where we rid ourselves of the impulses entirely forever. I just am not very optimistic that we will, especially with the way things are going these days.
PS - not long ago, I was thinking of the TOS episode “Arena,” where we first met the Gorn. But we also met the Metreons. I recall that Kirk asked if they could meet and their respective civilizations become friends, but the Metreon he met said something like “not yet, you’re still too close to your savage roots, perhaps in a thousand years.” Well, in Discovery S3, a thousand years later, do you suppose the Metreons were like “uh, never mind.”
I blame Kirk. If they had met Picard, things would have been different. Heck, hew-mons were fortunate Q chose Picard as the representive of humanity to judge. We would have been wiped from existence if he had choosen Sisko (he punched Q😂) or Kirk (too close to savage roots).
Picard is a living saint. He could have been a proto-Vulcan's God, but didn't fall to temptation. Sisko would have played the part...for the greater good of course.😏 He had the opportunity to wipe out his most hated foe, but defied orders😲 because it would harm one blameless individual, Hugh. Kirk would never have forgiven the Klingons.
Yes, I feel vindicated that Picard is my favourite captain in Trek.
Of course. He is the only captain in the history of Star Trek to make a joke about carpet.
BL.
I blame Kirk. If they had met Picard, things would have been different. Heck, hew-mons were fortunate Q chose Picard as the representive of humanity to judge. We would have been wiped from existence if he had choosen Sisko (he punched Q😂) or Kirk (too close to savage roots).
Picard is a living saint. He could have been a proto-Vulcan's God, but didn't fall to temptation. Sisko would have played the part...for the greater good of course.😏 He had the opportunity to wipe out his most hated foe, but defied orders😲 because it would harm one blameless individual, Hugh. Kirk would never have forgiven the Klingons.The list goes on. Picard is the Ubermensch.
TNG Picard, absolutely. Not so sure about Picard in, uh, ST-Picard. He was already to do in the changeling insurgent lady (forgot her name) and sort out “the moral implications later.” Hell, even Sisko made a point of saying heroes don’t kill unless they’ve exhausted every option. YouTuber Major Grin had a great video on this point:
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Well, I don't disagree with you about Picard Season 2. I enjoy the action and technical or futuristic effects, but don't enjoy all of the time spend on emotional stuff.