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Star Trek: Alpha to Delta Quadrants & Everything In Between
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I've watched the first two videos at https://trekmovie.com/2023/05/30/wa...ide-star-trek-picard-season-3-visual-effects/ and am in the middle of the last one. Don't watch unless you've finished Picard S3!
Okay.. finally finished the entire Picard series. Wow.
The one thing I will say is how much the writers and producers paid attention to detail (they had to; Stewart was an executive producer, and him, Frakes, and I believe Burton directed a couple of episodes). What I mean by attention to detail is that they have gone to such lengths as to bring back quotes that weren't heard since Encounter at Farpoint, and a couple of other episodes I'm having trouble remembering the names of; one in particular is where Geordi and Data are talking about "their gut feeling".. even bringing in ST: Generations.. For them to bring that back full circle says a lot. Another example is the subtle reference to Anton Yelchin, while bringing in Keonig. A third example (I'll end this part here) is the tributes to other characters that one wouldn't have caught if they weren't major fans of Star Trek. In this case, I mean the names of the starships: the Challenger (yeah, they brought that back), the Reliant, the Hikaru Sulu, Excelsior.. the Pulaski (didn't see that one coming).
I will say that the way they ended the series is multi-faceted, because it leaves a lot open for what can happen (I can see 1-2 different series getting spawned from this), as well as the fact that it leaves in the series what Wheaton has wanted to see a lot of; not just a vision of the future but of the conflicts that could arise from such vision. It does also leave open the possibility of Jurati, Elnor, and the others returning, because as we've seen, they aren't done with the Dominion yet.
All in all, I think they did well on it; However, I only have 2 major criticisms of the entire series:
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The one thing I will say is how much the writers and producers paid attention to detail (they had to; Stewart was an executive producer, and him, Frakes, and I believe Burton directed a couple of episodes). What I mean by attention to detail is that they have gone to such lengths as to bring back quotes that weren't heard since Encounter at Farpoint, and a couple of other episodes I'm having trouble remembering the names of; one in particular is where Geordi and Data are talking about "their gut feeling".. even bringing in ST: Generations.. For them to bring that back full circle says a lot. Another example is the subtle reference to Anton Yelchin, while bringing in Keonig. A third example (I'll end this part here) is the tributes to other characters that one wouldn't have caught if they weren't major fans of Star Trek. In this case, I mean the names of the starships: the Challenger (yeah, they brought that back), the Reliant, the Hikaru Sulu, Excelsior.. the Pulaski (didn't see that one coming).
I will say that the way they ended the series is multi-faceted, because it leaves a lot open for what can happen (I can see 1-2 different series getting spawned from this), as well as the fact that it leaves in the series what Wheaton has wanted to see a lot of; not just a vision of the future but of the conflicts that could arise from such vision. It does also leave open the possibility of Jurati, Elnor, and the others returning, because as we've seen, they aren't done with the Dominion yet.
All in all, I think they did well on it; However, I only have 2 major criticisms of the entire series:
- the 2nd season was basically the outlier, in the sense of St. Elsewhere; where the entire series was based in the mind of an autistic child, so it was as if the entire sequence of events never happened. Viewers didn't like how St. Elsewhere ended, and can be justifiably upset about this.
- Star Wars beat them to it first. Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker basically had the same climatic plot as the last two episodes of Picard, but beat them to it by about 3-4 years. If you were to compare how it happens, you could draw the parallels.
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Indeed was a way to end the show on a high note.
What's crazy about Koenig is that he happens to neighbors with Todd Stashwick (Captain Shaw aka "Captain No") and it sounded like it was almost dumb/blind luck that happened to be the case so they were able to bring him on. Was mentioned in a podcast/interview with Terry Matalas (Picard S3 showrunner).
Also,
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Watch: All Of ‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Season 1 Available For Free On YouTube In USA
https://trekmovie.com/2023/05/31/wa...eason-1-available-for-free-on-youtube-in-usa/ - "Watch the whole season for free. They will be available on YouTube until Friday, June 30th at midnight (PT)."
I'm guessing it's geo-locked.
Indeed was a way to end the show on a high note.
What's crazy about Koenig is that he happens to neighbors with Todd Stashwick (Captain Shaw aka "Captain No") and it sounded like it was almost dumb/blind luck that happened to be the case so they were able to bring him on. Was mentioned in a podcast/interview with Terry Matalas (Picard S3 showrunner).
Also,
Besides the end sequence with the Borg being a rip... err... copy of Return of the Jedi's death star sequence, Data saying "here goes nothing" is what Lando said too.
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Watch: All Of ‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Season 1 Available For Free On YouTube In USA
https://trekmovie.com/2023/05/31/wa...eason-1-available-for-free-on-youtube-in-usa/ - "Watch the whole season for free. They will be available on YouTube until Friday, June 30th at midnight (PT)."
I'm guessing it's geo-locked.
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It is hard for me to imagine that 400 years ago; people were somehow better, society more equitable, and crime less prevalent. I think we can easily let mass media taint our view of how bad things are now compared to how they might have been 400 years ago. Hundreds of years ago, most violence never got reported, and it certainly didn't get analyzed and published. Today, media outlets blare instant news about every crime or statistic that supports their narrative (both sides of the aisle). Obviously, there are no reliable statistics from 400 years ago, so we really don't have objective data but I suspect everyday was just a horrible struggle to fight off disease, violence, and starvation. Life expectancy was relatively short. Enfant mortality was high. Plague. Famine. Atrocities of all kinds committed by governments, rival clans, and common citizens. If you were a woman, you probably didn't even go to school. You were married off in your early teens (or younger) in exchange for a barn-yard animal. If you were a commoner and could read (exception not rule), it was largely limited to the Bible. Medicine was very primitive. Bleeding and leaches on the forehead. Governments were run pretty much for the benefit of a select few.
No social security
No Medicare/Medicaid.....actually no real doctors
No Food Stamps
No unemployment Insurance
No religious protection. Heresy laws.
No bill of rights.
No civil rights. Bigotry was open and common for race and religious differences. In many cases, bigotry was embedded in the legal system.
The list goes on and on.......
Anyway, I love Star Trek and its hopeful message, and there is still a chance that we can continue to evolve into more enlightened and just humanity. Well, I choose to cling to that hopeful message.
Gene Roddenberry wanted to have a show that highlighted mankind's best behavior and willingness to overcome our baser tendencies. TOS and TNG really exemplified that ideal, sadly the current custodians of Star Trek universe have thrown that message out and things are darker, grittier and truth be told, less appealing.
It depends on how subtle or profound that conflict is. For example, it was profound with the kiss between Uhura and Kirk, or overly profound in Code of Honor (the racist episode), as to that date, there had never been a black person in charge of a 1st world nation, yet they were the rulers of the entire civilization, or in Angel One, where a woman was the leader.
Or subtle, with Admiral Satie going after everyone based on a baseless conspiracy based on race (I'm looking at you, Donald Rumsfeld, John Bolton, etc.).. We seem to miss the commentary on the conflict because we are caught in the vision of the future.
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And exploration. To boldly go where no one has gone before. That is something that has been lacking in the current Trek.
Yes, I agree. I miss visiting new planets, species, and cultures. Recently, It seems like it is has just been about villains from the past or future.
One of the reasons I liked STE is that everything was new to the crew. They were explorers learning as they traveled at warp 5. There were villains and story arcs, but there were also messages about humanity, tolerance and cultural differences. Episodes like Cogenitor, Stigma, and Fusion….to name a few.
Just finished Picard Season 3. Wow. That was a massive improvement over Season 2. Was really nice to see most of the TNG crew again. 7 finally got her ship. Nice to end that series with a smile.
Thoughts: Only took 1 year to rebuild space dock? I can't imagine how many people died during that fight.
I am no expert and it has been a long time since I took Trek seriously but I thought the Borg and the Dominion were fighting in the Gamma Quadrant, and that prior to the final battle in DS9 which resulted in a massive wipeout of the Dominion fleet, the Dominion were making headway against their fight with the Borg. So I thought the Borg still existed in the Gamma Quadrant but without a Queen and without a way to transwarp to the Alpha Quadrant (ending of Voyager)?
Thoughts: Only took 1 year to rebuild space dock? I can't imagine how many people died during that fight.
I am no expert and it has been a long time since I took Trek seriously but I thought the Borg and the Dominion were fighting in the Gamma Quadrant, and that prior to the final battle in DS9 which resulted in a massive wipeout of the Dominion fleet, the Dominion were making headway against their fight with the Borg. So I thought the Borg still existed in the Gamma Quadrant but without a Queen and without a way to transwarp to the Alpha Quadrant (ending of Voyager)?
Just finished Picard Season 3. Wow. That was a massive improvement over Season 2. Was really nice to see most of the TNG crew again. 7 finally got her ship. Nice to end that series with a smile.
Thoughts: Only took 1 year to rebuild space dock? I can't imagine how many people died during that fight.
I am no expert and it has been a long time since I took Trek seriously but I thought the Borg and the Dominion were fighting in the Gamma Quadrant, and that prior to the final battle in DS9 which resulted in a massive wipeout of the Dominion fleet, the Dominion were making headway against their fight with the Borg. So I thought the Borg still existed in the Gamma Quadrant but without a Queen and without a way to transwarp to the Alpha Quadrant (ending of Voyager)?
Borg were in Delta quadrant.
Ah thank you. lol.
Star Trek: Picard Season 3 Finale Reveals the Dark Fate of the Borg
Star Trek: Picard Season 3 brings with it the latest and possibly final showdown between Jean-Luc [...]
"The Borg's weakened state is the result of Voyager's final mission in the Delta Quadrant. Janeway, with the help of her future self, destroyed one of the Borg's transwarp hubs and infected the collective with a pathogen that disrupted the hive mind. The pathogen was believed to have killed the Borg Queen, but it apparently left her in the diminished state we see in the Star Trek: Picard Season 3 finale.
As the Borg Queen tells Picard, Janeway's infection cut off the hive, leaving her in silence. She and what remained of her collective, with no worlds to assimilate, were left to starve to death until they somehow made contact with Vadic's Changeling faction and enacted their plans to infiltrate Starfleet."
Looks like this kind of explains it. I guess I missed that part when the Borg Queen was talking in that last episode.
Just finished Picard Season 3. Wow. That was a massive improvement over Season 2. Was really nice to see most of the TNG crew again. 7 finally got her ship. Nice to end that series with a smile.
Thoughts: Only took 1 year to rebuild space dock? I can't imagine how many people died during that fight.
I am no expert and it has been a long time since I took Trek seriously but I thought the Borg and the Dominion were fighting in the Gamma Quadrant, and that prior to the final battle in DS9 which resulted in a massive wipeout of the Dominion fleet, the Dominion were making headway against their fight with the Borg. So I thought the Borg still existed in the Gamma Quadrant but without a Queen and without a way to transwarp to the Alpha Quadrant (ending of Voyager)?
The Borg was no where near the Gamma quadrant by the time DS9 ended, IIRC. The Cardassians had turned on the Dominion and fought for themselves, along with joining the Klingons after Worf killed the Gowron changeling......
Actually, I wonder now. By that time, the Borg was still in the Alpha Quadrant as DS9 ended after ST: First Contact, and I believe before ST: Insurrection. the Defiant was in First Contact, and was destroyed in the Dominion War, so the Borg was at least still in the Alpha Quadrant at that time.. I don't remember seeing them near the wormhole by the time DS9 ended, but that could have happened sometime between the end of First Contact and Nemesis (I didn't see those last two TNG movies).
If they did make it to the Gamma Quadrant, they could have easily played the game of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", and played along that way. But for the most, the Borg were all still in the Delta Quadrant, as that's basically where they originated from (see the battles with the Hirogen and Species 8472).
The bigger question is how many times does the Borg Queen have to die. She appears to have as many lives as Weyoun!
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Ah thank you for that explanation. I get my quadrants mixed up in my old age.
Agreed about the Borg Queen having as many lives as Weyoun! lol.
Just finished Picard Season 3. Wow. That was a massive improvement over Season 2. Was really nice to see most of the TNG crew again. 7 finally got her ship. Nice to end that series with a smile.
Thoughts: Only took 1 year to rebuild space dock? I can't imagine how many people died during that fight.
I am no expert and it has been a long time since I took Trek seriously but I thought the Borg and the Dominion were fighting in the Gamma Quadrant, and that prior to the final battle in DS9 which resulted in a massive wipeout of the Dominion fleet, the Dominion were making headway against their fight with the Borg. So I thought the Borg still existed in the Gamma Quadrant but without a Queen and without a way to transwarp to the Alpha Quadrant (ending of Voyager)?
I don't think the dock was that severely damaged. The Dominion (Founders, Jem'Hadar, Vorta) teamed with the Cardasians (before they flipped) and the Breen. The Federation, Klingons and Romulans were allies.
The Bprg weren't really in DS9, except in the premiere, where Sisko lost his wife at Wolf 359.
Picard asked the same question in First Contact:
Borg Queen: "You think in such three-dimensional terms. How small you've become."
I can't find any references online to a conflict between the Borg and the Dominion that I could have sworn I learned from the TV series (Voy?) as a kid - probably just a childhood dream lol.
I appreciate your information. That would make sense - dock not that severely damaged. I always wondered how much of a pounding those planet Starbases / Space Docks could take.
Looks like I have found a reference to Borg and Dominion Fighting:
Quote above taken from below link:
Ok it was in one of the many many Star Trek books I read as a kid growing up.
Knew I had heard that from somewhere. So not canon but book related.
I think they just wanted to knock out the dock defenses and shields, so they could attack Earth without intervention. They kind of implied that the dock controlled a planetary shield.
Im sure we will have another version of the Borg Queen in the future.
This is more nitpicking but I get the impression there was no real cohesion between what we saw in STNG, Voyager, the STNG movies and Picard when it comes to the Borg. The most lethal version was the STNG series version. Just unstoppable and we win in the most unlikely of ways.
Voyager from what little I saw and remember of it just crippled the Borg for the story to give Voyager a chance. The movies sorta followed this nerfed version of the Borg. Picard with season 1/2/3 seem at such odds with one another. Did we ever learn how one Borg cube was defeated in Romulan space?
Data has 800 quadrillion bits of storage with 60 trillion operations per second.
vs Voyager's primary computer actually works at a speed of 575 trillion calculations per nanosecond according to the episode Concerning Flight.
So Voyager's computer blows Data out of the water
Since Voyager had a neural network, maybe that explains the superior performance. But maybe Data had that too? I don't remember.
100 petabytes of storage? Seems kind of small for a being that could live centuries.
More likely, a case of "future shock" for the writers. Like someone in 1980 thinking 1 gigabyte was impossibly large. I guess 100 petabytes in the late 80s seemed impossible too.
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I had the TNG technical guide. Really cool.
Yep, same here. And the DS9 technical manual. I was really bummed when there was no Voyager technical manual. I would have loved to see the Delta Flyer similar to how we got to see the runabouts and Defiant in the DS9 manual.
The Prophets/Wormhole Aliens prevented Dominion troops from transversing the wormhole. DS9: Sacrifices of Angels. The Dominions had only the forces they could muster from the Alpha Quadrant in their fight against the Federation/Klingon/Romulan alliance. Dukat believed the 2400 ships sent from the Gamma Quadrant would have been enough to defeat the Alpha/Beta Quandrant alliance.
Whether they were fighting the Borg or not isn't the reason they didn't send reinforcements from the Gamma Quadrant.