No I agree when used in its domain properly and not as a toy and with a proper wacom pen and tablet they're awesome devices, but generally what you get in cheap tablets is exactly that.
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Steve Jobs was wrong about big phones. Was he wrong about stylus, too?
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No I agree when used in its domain properly and not as a toy and with a proper wacom pen and tablet they're awesome devices, but generally what you get in cheap tablets is exactly that.
Oh, you could have fooled me.
Of course this is not something that is useful for everyone. But much like cell phones with large screens and NFC (both belittled by Apple of course - until they made their own versions available) quite a few people find it useful.
Which of course makes the way the Note-series have implemented it a good thing - it is tucked away until you need it, but you do not have to use it at all when handling the phone on a daily basis since it works like any other smart phone in addition to the stylus-capabilities.
I dont care how many words i can write, if i cant do my work... this took about 1min from me, and im able to share it with my collegues.. everyone can add their notes to it, edit it, add more etc... just an example. With ipad it felt im a child with fingerpaints or trying to use a crappy stylus... that was just an example, there will be several other examples why people need a pen.
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"But we can't just see each other's sides of the story and agree that we have different needs, can we? Everyone needs to tell everyone else that their side is the only true side."
Did you not write the above, or was that your alter-ego? It was a general statement directed at those who are trying to portray the only way to take notes is by using a stylus.
Those who need a stylus should use one whether it's on a phone, tablet, laptop, desktop or digitizer tablet. I certainly would like to be able to use any old stylus at times with my iphone to be able to doodle. That I haven't bought one try out, meh.
Different usage and ways of interfacing with devices... I'm sure for equations even a graphing calculator app may not be of help. As an interface for what I do 99.9% of the time having been there and in the sense that Steve Jobs meant it rather than being ridiculously taken out of context.
I am fully glad the Stylus is well and truly dead.
This thread, or what's become of it has lost the context of why the death of the stylus was the best thing that ever happened to PDA phones. Steve Jobs was 100% right and if it wasn't for the death of the stylus we'd all be pecking at phones running Windows Mobile 6.5...
Thats where smart phones were at in 2002, and I'm not sure many are old enough or have been there to understand the context of why Steve was right. Even Bill Gates said Steve Jobs was right when it came to the smart phone now you just want to take it out of context and turn it into some childish crap like this thread.
That is your problem right there.
Not everyone does everything exactly like you would, and neither should they be forced to.
I am sure the majority does not even drive the same type of car, wear the same clothes or listen to the exact same music you do.
People are different. Choice is good. Your personal references are not the golden standard. Get used to it.
However in the context of what Steve Jobs meant regarding the stylus I am 100% right or else you would never have your Galaxy Note in the way its evolved now. Now how's about you learn to place your thoughts in the context of the original persons ideas on the matter. It might help you and teach you a lesson about writing an argument properly. If I was at university right now I'd get ********** for creating a logical fallacy out of context of the original authors thoughts for behaving like you are.
The sweet irony of all of this is that you'll put away your stylus and use your hands to interface with your Galaxy Note for the majority of the other tasks you do with your Galaxy Note and that just proves the point. In the context of what Steve Jobs meant, he was right and you are wrong.
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To be honest no one really knows what Steve Jobs meant. All we can do is speculate. He always said whatever he had to say to sell the product, be it truth or blatant lies.
The list of features that have been downplayed and called useless by Apple over the years - and then implemented in Apple products later when it suddenly is the best thing since sliced bread - is growing for each year that passes by.
And stylus (of course a 'magical new stylus'...reinvented by Apple...now with pressure sensitivity (wow - talk about innovating!)) will be on that list in the not too distant future.
The stylus isn't dead, far from it. Tons of Note devices get sold every year, both phones and tablets. The surface Pro line is doing quite well. There are a good number of windows tablets with stylus support as well. No, the stylus is alive and well.
I agree that for driving the UI the stylus isn't ideal, but this isn't universal IMO. There are times that a stylus is indeed superior, one example is highlighting text, especially when you have to do a lot of it. But these examples are not common and the overall UI navigation of a smartphone should not be stylus driven.
For me, I'm glad the stylus is NOT well and truly dead. I find it useful on a daily basis. I can certainly understand a user who has no need for it. I can't understand eschewing a feature that has no cost on size or weight that just sits in a slot until you may need it, but that's just me, I like extra stuff that's free.
Actually it's abundantly obvious what Steve meant if you put the argument in context. You seem either unwilling to or unable to, one or the other. Of course the wacom pen has improved dramatically but a wacom pen does not make itself a Stylus!
You're right, I fell into the trap of these kinds of threads that I was actually trying to defuse and got argumentative immediately. In this case I was defending my argument about being objective and not arguing (is that irony or just stupid?).
Basically I reacted defensively and took your response as a "TL;DR" response, like "eh he's talking about what you can do with a stylus, I can take notes way faster on a keyboard." In reality you were just continuing the idea that there are many ways to interface with a device, and that the "right" method is the one that the user finds most effective. Either way it would have been a bad response, so yeah, sorry.
You're right, everyone has their own specific needs. The way I came into this thread was pretty obvious, and it's pretty obvious that there was a bit of a flame war here.
My perspective is fairly simple and logical, if the stylus wasn't "dead" you wouldn't have an Android tablet in the first place with its current interface. You'd be trapped the way we all were with Microsoft who never got the concept of properly designing a mobile UI until Windows 7.
Just step back and look at the mess that is Windows Mobile 6.5 if you don't believe me. TLDR: We had to get rid of the stylus to get where we are today, there is no more of a straight forward answer than that. If the Stylus stayed as the dominant interface today we'd have PDA phones running Windows Mobile.
My perspective is fairly simple and logical, if the stylus wasn't "dead" you wouldn't have an Android tablet in the first place with its current interface. You'd be trapped the way we all were with Microsoft who never got the concept of properly designing a mobile UI until Windows 7.
Just step back and look at the mess that is Windows Mobile 6.5 if you don't believe me. TLDR: We had to get rid of the stylus to get where we are today, there is no more of a straight forward answer than that. If the Stylus stayed as the dominant interface today we'd have PDA phones running Windows Mobile.
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You seem to think that Apple invented the first capacitive touch screen on a cell phone that could be used with just your finger, and not like previous resistive screens that worked much better with a stylus.
But that is actually wrong. The technology was already there (and LG had a phone out before the iPhone) and would have been adopted on a large scale totally independent of Apple using it or not.
The necessary dumbing down of the interface to make things usable by fingertip-control would also have happened - with or without Apple.
You seem to believe the nonsense that Samsung lawyers spewed out about the XDA, or something similar but this is wrong, the XDA had a Stylus, yes I used one. Basically Samsung, HTC, LG etc, all of their lawyers were proven to be full of ****.
I've already proven you can't think in context, now this furphy... credibility = zero. The reason why your Galaxy Note has a stylus now is because Samsung actually lost that trial so think yourself grateful. The problem with Android users is that they couldn't lie straight in bed even if they wanted to.
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LOL - have you forgotten your medication today?
I simply pointed out that LG had a touchscreen that worked exactly like the first iPhone did. And it was available to buy many months before the iPhone was launched.
The truth hurts buddy. iPhone/Apple did not invent touchscreens that could be used without a pointing device.
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Show me a stylus that actually does handwriting in a legible fashion and you might actually win a tender with a package delivery company.
Here's one for you, I can type quicker than you can write if I want to add a note grandpa
I bet you're just joking, you can't be so ignorant to write that nonsense without just googling for 15 second
The whole revisionist 'Apple invented the modern phone' is a total myth. Whether or not Jobs/Apple introduced iPhone, we'd have ended up with the same basic phone regardless.
Apple is known for polishing products and UI's, not technical innovation. Windows Mobile/Palm had a number of features which were overshadowed by their UI which were designed for power users, hence had stylus etc.
Apple is known for polishing products and UI's, not technical innovation. Windows Mobile/Palm had a number of features which were overshadowed by their UI which were designed for power users, hence had stylus etc.
There is a thing called simultaneous and convergent evolution that doesn't mean anything and Apple was working with everyone including Motorola at the time of the launch of the iPhone to bring the "iTunes phone" to market. Besides which point...
There is the myriad of test cases against Apple by HTC, Samsung and others all of which failed. Anyway, if we go back that far, all of those phones were total gargabe and that's another thing Fandroids wont admit either.
If any of them were any good they'd be market dominant... But they weren't, so whoopdi doo... wrong time, wrong place, none of these companies had the utter market dominance to change this.
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in the short time Apple did and in a way we pretty much saw the idea of a PDA phone die almost entirely.
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I do agree to some extent. I wouldn't say that I NEVER use the stylus, but I agree it rarely gets used. I don't know of many Note users that use the stylus on a regular basis either. However after owning a Note, I'll never go back to owning a smaller phone again.
It is not really how much you use it but more of when the occasions do arise and you really do need it, you won't be caught with your pants down.
I'm confused here, you keep saying the stylus is dead. Do you mean to say that with a qualifier such as "the stylus is dead as a tool to navigate the UI" ? I just keep getting confused because millions of devices each year sell with a stylus and that doesn't seem dead to me in the least.
I think Microsoft gets less credit than it deserves as well. They had a grid of icons just like iOS does years later, icons which you simply tapped to open the program/app. You could drive windows mobile with a finger for everyday use, it's just some of the elements were a bit small and probably wouldn't be conducive to driving a car or walking and fiddling with the phone. Also Windows mobile came out with touchless windows mobile devices that had physical keyboards, I had a Motorola windows mobile phone that was quite awesome and I'd put that interface up against iOS any day, even today, but it was quite different. I'm not necessarily defending windows mobile, Apple made an evolutionary OS with iOS, but some of us lament that it went too far towards the simplistic side. Granted those of us are few and far between and don't pay Apple's bills.
With the qualifier of being a user interface tool, which is in the same sense Steve Jobs meant it in the first place rather than in the "hey look, a stylus, the stylus isn't dead" context that everyone else was using in this thread.