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Do you own a Surface device

  • Yes I own a Surface Pro or Surfacebook - it’s great

    Votes: 161 52.6%
  • Yes I own a Surface laptop - it’s great

    Votes: 35 11.4%
  • No - i’m not a fan

    Votes: 61 19.9%
  • Not anymore I had a bad experience

    Votes: 49 16.0%

  • Total voters
    306

eltoslightfoot

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When Surface beats the M series Mac's I'll revisit, as 4-5 hours is not remotely close to what I need or now used to. Microsoft was on the right path with the Surface Book but dumped it in in favour of pursuing a worse performing MBP clone.

TBH Surface has rather fizzled out into much to do about nothing. At this point Microsoft really needs to dig in and go...

Q-6

Yes, this. It's why I have been avoiding it. Six hours is not a full day, and I need a battery capable of a full day. Ten hours would be fine. I am spoiled with the MBA these days on battery, but I still like the SP's form factor and versatility.

Yeah see I need like zero battery life like 95% of the time. I use my SP9 at like 2 different desk setups so for me it's just fine. And when I travel, that is enough time. I lower the performance and brightness and get like 6 hours so it's all good for me. That said, yes, it is absolutely the one thing I have thought about with the upcoming Snapdragon X Elites. The battery life! I can't wait to see how good it is! Of course the possible performance boost helps as well, but really with what we are doing on ultralight laptops, which is what the surface pro kinda is LOL, that is secondary to me.
 
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Queen6

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Yeah see I need like zero battery life like 95% of the time. I use my SP9 at like 2 different desk setups so for me it's just fine. And when I travel, that is enough time. I lower the performance and brightness and get like 6 hours so it's all good for me. That said, yes, it is absolutely the one thing I have thought about with the upcoming Snapdragon X Elites. The battery life! I can't wait to see how good it is! Of course the possible performance boost helps as well, but really with what we are doing on ultralight laptops, which is what the surface pro kinda is LOL, that is secondary to me.
Hopefully they will on both counts as the Mx series Mac's are very performant given their formfactor. Surface suffers the same issues Mac's had as the thermal envelope is too small to deal with powerful processors & high workloads. The Mx Mac's simply dont have that issue for the most part on or off the mains.

If the new ARM SOC's come close to Apple's Mx series they will radically change Surface and many other ultralight's. They will also push Apple to get off it's laurels and have a little more imagination other than iterative updates to it's HW.

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eltoslightfoot

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Feb 25, 2011
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I will wait and see what comes of the X Elite. I feel like I have finally reached an age where impulse purchasing is behind me :)
Same here, I will stick with my SP9 until it breaks honestly, but I don't use the SP9 for anything crazy...but when I can get a Snapdragon X Elite tablet (surface or OEM) on Swappa.com? Ohhhhhh it will be nice.
 

Melbourne Park

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Has an i5 with 8/256 that I upgraded to 512. Battery life is about 4-5 hours. I could probably get 6 if I cared to push it.
And you were referring to your Surface 9.

Strange that the PC Magazine review reckons iPad Pro battery sucks:

They say the iPad lasted 5.28, while the Surface Pro 9 was 15.5 hours and with the non Intel chip, up to 19 hours.

Who knows what to believe?
Battery LifeUp to 15.5 hoursUp to 19 hoursUp to 10 hours (tested at 5:28)
 

eltoslightfoot

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Feb 25, 2011
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And you were referring to your Surface 9.

Strange that the PC Magazine review reckons iPad Pro battery sucks:

They say the iPad lasted 5.28, while the Surface Pro 9 was 15.5 hours and with the non Intel chip, up to 19 hours.

Who knows what to believe?
Battery LifeUp to 15.5 hoursUp to 19 hoursUp to 10 hours (tested at 5:28)
Well, all I can tell you is what I literally got. :)

Interestingly I had an ARM windows tablet and that did get well over 10 hours. (Robo and Kala...it crapped out and I had to get a refund though.)
 

Melbourne Park

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Well, all I can tell you is what I literally got. :)

Interestingly I had an ARM windows tablet and that did get well over 10 hours. (Robo and Kala...it crapped out and I had to get a refund though.)
Oh I believe you.

I do not believe the Australian PC magazine's review though.

But then a PC magazine doesn't get much revenue from Apple.
 

MiniApple

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Seems like Surface products are on life support. A lot of them out of stock, the newest models only available to corporate account holders, and not much innovation the past few years.

Surface Hardware line
If Bowden's reports are accurate - Microsoft basically reduced the Surface product line to 3ish existing products - those that sell well in the business/enterprise and education. Forget "Surface Duo/Neo" and inovations for years to come.
  • Surface Pro tablet
  • Surface Laptop*
  • Surface Go tablet.
*it's unclear if the Laptop Go and Laptop Studio will continue


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Consumers aren't a primary target - since a while
The consumer market - Xbox aside - is not a primary market for Microsoft, that's been happening ever since Steve Balmer left.

The new Windows leadership is from/under their services division, their focus is on (ads and) services, hence the 180 turn as to offer some new services backports and extended security updates to Windows 10 - the later albeit for $ only, but it's open to consumers aswell.

Qualcom's new (Snapdragon Elite Plus/X) ARM CPUs do supposedly finally offer a somewhat competitive overall performance in relation to Apple's M products. Yet I think those ARM based "consumer" versions of Surface Pro's, along with the improved WindowsOnARM are basically a "proof of concept" showcase for business/enterprise world.



I've read multiple legitimate sources that their reliability was among the lowest of any brand.

Hardware quality/reliability
I work for a global airline and deal with crew hard- and software on a daily basis.
User-error/accidents aside - the Surface's lines product quality noticeably decreased (lots of board-, screen- and fan defects, more bloated batteries) than with earlier versions.
We do have a lot less hardware issues with iPads, though Apple has other issues on the software/management side... Fingers crossed iPadOS and changes due to EU regulations can help in those regards.
 
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