My sp4 can be part tablet when I need it. My iPad can never be part desktop, even with a keyboard.
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Surface Pro 4 vs iPad Pro and the future of pro tablets
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They were not exchanged due to any issues. The issues are real, but MS has resolved most of them. At least mySP4 has been rock solid the last month or so. The IPP also had a bunch of issues when it launched. Harping on the SP4 issues is hypocritical, yeah even the IPP had the issue of a black screen on wake among others.
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What bunch of issues? Only one I'm aware of is the black screen on wake after charging, which I've never experienced myself. The issues with the SP sounds like there were more of them, and they were more serious. No way to know if SP issues were more widespread than iPP, so it's possible that our perception of SP issues are more exaggerated than it actually is, but I don't think the iPP issues were on the same level.
I've listed the IPP issues reported before, there weren't that many but in all fairness there weren't that many on the SP4 either. The main ones on the SP4 were waking up to a black screen (resolved), graphic driver crashes (resolved), and poor battery life during sleep (much improved but not resolved).
Well, can you point to where you list the iPP issues? As I said, I'm aware of only one.
Why does it even matter at this point? Neither device, as seemingly always happens, can claim a flawless launch. You're going to pick apart the severity of launch issues?
Well yes. I think the severity of launch issues matters. No device ever has a totally flawless launch, but not all issues are equal.
How about the number of people affected? A more severe error but less people affected is worse or better than a minor error with a majority affected?
At any rate carry on.
Depends on the severity of the "minor" error. In any case, there's no way to accurately measure the number of people affected over the Internet, so all we can discuss is the severity and number of issues. iPad Pro had one serious issue that I know of -- I'm still waiting for someone to link to or list any other issues. Surface Pro 4 had at least 3 issues.
I had an iPad Pro from day 1. Never had any issue that made it unusable. My Surface Pro on the other hand was unusable enough that I went back to two devices due to constant problems.
Someone senior at MS should have fired for what happened.
Someone senior at MS should have fired for what happened.
My first sp4 developed one hardware problem as did my first iPhone. The sp4 was replaced and it's been going to go after that. Your experience is atypical.
I was just in Staples and saw they finally brought out the Surface Pro 4. Being a Mac user for the past 10 years or so, I am obviously biased against Windows but was totally willing to give it a shot and check it out objectively. I hit the power button, it started to boot, and then this happened ... and I remembered why I stopped buying PCs. I'm hoping the OS just wasn't installed, but needless to say it wasn't the experience I was hoping for trying out the new product.
LOL! Granted, you could probably do the same thing to a Mac if you wiped the hard drive or something. But you'd think store models would have security locks preventing people from doing that sort of thing.
Yeah it was like that big moment... "Ok, let's see this luxury experience Microsoft has in store for me"... haha!
Lol!!
This made my day. Microsoft was doing good there (for example Windows 7)--then they showed their true colors with Windows 8 and 10.
And just when you though BSOD was a thing of the past--enter the MS Surface Line
Every product has it's issues. My SP4 had issues at first, but now it's rock solid, no BSOD's, wakes up perfectly, no driver crashes, etc, I'll put up my SP4 against ANY iOS device out there for stability. The only issue left is I hope they tighten up battery life while sleeping. Otherwise I don't see the value of comparing lists, especially on something as subjective as individual experiences. One person may have a perfect device, while the other gets a dud. We just keep rehashing the same thing over and over again, myself included. Yeah I like the SP4 better, you like the IPP better, do we really need to repeat it a different way again?
It's besides my point though. Even if the SP4 was a piece of crap, I'd pick it over the IPP ANY day of the week due to the increased functionality. Once again this is how I use my device and I'm not trying to push it onto anyone. I just know that the day the very first modern windows tablet was released I ditched my ipad and never ever looked back.
It's besides my point though. Even if the SP4 was a piece of crap, I'd pick it over the IPP ANY day of the week due to the increased functionality. Once again this is how I use my device and I'm not trying to push it onto anyone. I just know that the day the very first modern windows tablet was released I ditched my ipad and never ever looked back.
And I think ever since I got the original iPod touch, I've been gradually moving away from Microsoft and gravitating toward iOS / OS X.
Just curious, but were you a Windows user before?
I don't know why that is. The sp4 is "better" than the "sp3" in a similar way the 6s is "better" than the 6. We love ours.
I'd say it's because the SP4 had some teething pain coming out, and the reviews are reflecting that.
And I think ever since I got the original iPod touch, I've been gradually moving away from Microsoft and gravitating toward iOS / OS X.
Just curious, but were you a Windows user before?
You mean for computers? Yeah I'm a windows user, I find OSx to be unintuitive in many ways and could never force myself onto it. I haven't used OSx in a long while so maybe it's improved. I also missed the ipod revolution hehe as ipods didn't offer the functionality I needed. I needed streamed music and video so would rather have my windows handheld iPAQ with a 1xrt CF card modem installed and stream to my hearts content. Yes I'm a massive geek, but I love tinkering around with stuff and prefer things which allow you to tinker, experiment and make more out of them than they were meant to be. Apple's walled garden and restrictions feel incredibly stifling to me so I don't use their products. It doesn't mean I haven't used their products, I just recently sold my 6s plus and my 3 year old uses an ipad mini as I find iOS functionally is great for toddlers.
Yeah, they do, though the SP4 was particularly bad. Those 1 star reviews will be dragging down the overall score of the machine probably up until the SP5 arrives.
It's kinda funny. My SP4 works great these days. Nary a hitch. Though I did break my one cardinal rule of never buying any computer until it's been out for a couple of months when I got it, and...damn if it didn't justify it.
Stop kidding yourself. No product from Apple has ever had the level of issues that the Surface Pro 4 or Surface Book have had. Microsoft were forced to issue an apology. That's well beyond normal product issues. Some people were forced to replace their devices 3 times and still couldn't resolve issues. If you believe what it sounds like you believe you haven't just drunk the Microsoft koolaid, you snorted lines of it while taking it intravenously as well.
So yes, you like it better, but to compare the quality control of a dismal product release is ludicrous. Yes, the issues may be resolved and yes it may be stable now or at some point in time, but on release it was shameful.