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Remember, Neville is a club owner himself and thus he knows about how club ownership works.
Gary Neville is a gobby has-been who's failed spectacularly at managament, and now has only punditry to stay relevant within the game. I doubt he knows any more than anyone else, particularly actual experts on how business works. He'll have teams of people to do the hard thinking for him. And he's a part-owner with several others, so there'll be a board, decision meetings etc. It's a bit like saying that someone who owns a bike is an expert on bikes and how they work. They might be, sure, but in Neville's case, I suspect others know more than him.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the ensuing battle of egos between Ratcliffe ( a renowned Brexiteer and non-dom tax exile fracker) and the Glazers. With a bit of luck, they'll all do even more damage. 🙏

Now back to actual football; Saudi FC v Arsenal today. The Saudis will be bouyed by their win at OT, and Arsenal will be wanting to get back on track. Should be spicy. City will likely steam roller Bournemouth, and Luton have Liverpool. Spurs V Chelsea on Monday; another spicy one. Spurs lucky that Chelsea really are crap again this season, in spite of spending trillions. But who knows? Poch might yet turn things around.
 

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Hoping we can build on the confidence of beating Arsenal mid week in our game against Brentford.
On that subject my Arsenal supporting friend hasn’t replied to any of my messages this week. I wonder why? 😀
 

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Hoping we can build on the confidence of beating Arsenal mid week in our game against Brentford.
Hoping we can achieve a result against Newcastle, and, above all, that we remember how to play decent football as a team, notwithstanding changes (enforced or desired or simply necessary at the time), sometimes, under the heading of "rotation", potential player burnout and injury, and the challenge of taking on Newcastle.
On that subject my Arsenal supporting friend hasn’t replied to any of my messages this week. I wonder why? 😀
I have absolutely no idea why he has not replied.
 

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Hoping we can achieve a result against Newcastle, and, above all, that we remember how to play decent football as a team, notwithstanding changes (enforced or desired or simply necessary at the time), sometimes, under the heading of "rotation", potential player burnout and injury, and the challenge of taking on Newcastle.

I have absolutely no idea why he has not replied.
Lol to be honest that’s standard for him.

Question. Does a draw against Fulham save their managers job. I’m not sure it will. Rumours are they are looking for a replacement at OT.

Currently 0-0 in the 64th minute.
 

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"Fergie Time" strikes again.

A goal to Manchester United (against Fulham) in the 90th minute.

Salvation (perhaps temporary) could be on hand for ETH.
Indeed. We are currently 2-2. Bowen setting a new record of scoring in 6 consecutive away games.
They drew level with an unfortunate own goal. Hopefully we can get the winner.
 

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Ended up 6-1 at City. And yes a depression defeat for us.
Deeply depressing.

And not just because of the advantages they have on account of their access to bottomless resources (and an excellent manager - though I would like to see Pep manage a less well resourced club, and see whether his managerial talent is equally obvious in such a setting) and sports washing.

If City continue to mop up the Premiership at their current rate - for they have won five out of the last six Premier League Trophies - (which means that they are considerably more dominant than Arsenal was during much of the 1930s, or Liverpool in the 1980s, or Manchestsr United while Sir Alex Ferguson was at the helm earlier this century), it will run the risk of becoming, turning into the sort of embarrassment that are the French and German leagues.
 
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Of course, these days, matches often last close to 100 minutes, not the 90 we all grew up with.

That places greater demands on the players, particularly those asked to play the physically demanding (and exhausting) pressing game.

Elsewhere, in a nasty, dirty game, (at least three serious - and one egregious - thank you, Guimaraes - Newcastle foul, while Havertz has finally made an imapct with a serious fould of his own) VAR is meditating on a Newcastle goal, (their first shot on target, unfortunately) and has finally, after three checks, decided to award it.
 

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Allowing Newcastle's goal to stand 3x

Scrappy game. With Newcastly doing the typical physical approach. 5 yellow cards for Newcastle players says it all.

That said Arsenal were very poor. Only 1 shot on target. As long as Jesus is the sole main striker and Havertz is in the team i think they will fall short. Don't think Raya is the answer either.

Utd back to winning ways via pantomime villain Bruno.

City does as City does.

Massive win for Sheff Utd

And Burnley continue their free fall.
 
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Anyway, our first defeat in the Premier League this season.

My sense is that Arsenal are nowhere nearly as settled, or as comfortable in themselves, nor as confident, as they were last season.

We miss the heft and strength of Granit Xhaka, although Declan Rice was a superb buy.

And Kai Havertz is - to me, at least, - an inexplicable signing; I don't know what exactly it is that he is supposed to do on the football pitch, - he is not a forward, not a finisher, not a dribbler, doesn't hold the ball (as a midfield player), and doesn't - and refers not to - control or direct games (from midfield); one recent entry in one of the Arsenal blogs acidly remarked that Havertz "looked like more awkward foal than goal threat".

Moreover, I'm not comfortable with Raya (yes, he can play with the ball at his feet, but passing and faffing around in your own area invites the pressing attention of opponents, and gives you a lot less time to react to errors), still less as a replacement for Ramsdale, who was excellent for almost all of last season, but who seems to have been identified by Mikel Arteta as a weak link.

More to the point, the team are not yet completely comfortable with this system, and I get the sense that Mikel Arteta is still experimenting with and tweaking what he thinks might work.

Unlike last season, the team has yet to settle, (and yes, I understand that in the modern world - cup competitions and European competitions, one may need to rotate a team and rest players) as a unit - I get a sense of nervous skittishness from the team, unlike last season's sense of the team gelling as a unit.

Yes, we have injuries (Timber - on his first game, and he will be out for the entire season, Thomas Partey, ESR, and Zinchenko among others), while Odegaard seems fatigued, and Saka - who is heroic - is consistently fouled (some very ugly stuff today) on a weekly basis and receives little by way of protection.

Of the injured players, Thomas Partey - who is excellent, actually superb, when both fit and available - increasingly, unfortunately, is neither.

I've seen stats for his injuries - one blog observed that "he’s being held together with bits of string and duct tape" - and he has missed over 50 games through injury since he joined the club, and has started once since last May in midfield.

Emile Smith Rowe is another player whom I would have liekd to have seen more of, but, having just clawed his way back into contention, has, unfortunately, fallen to yet another injury.

Eddie Nketiah is a good optional extra as someone who can score, is especially good against bottom teams (last week's hat-trick), but cannot be relied upon to put away chances against serious teams - is a poor finisher - and is extraordinarily inconsistent.

However, at this stage, I think that there are some deeper issues, some of which lie with the manager, (and I am not a person who wants to wield pitchforks at managers, and, moreover, Arsenal tends to have a tradition of retaining managers for quite some time).

Mikel Arteta seems to have a couple of blind spots: One is that once a player is consigned to Arctic regions, cast out of the team, (Ramsdale is only the most recent example of this process, or tendency), it is very diffiuclt for that player to plot a way back.

Secondly, there have been some - a sequence - of brutally bad (and strangely expensive) purchases, which suggests a lack of due diligence, strange scouting, or a weird myopia: Pepe, David Luis, - and now, I suspect that Kai Havertz may fall into this category - players who were never a good fit for Arsenal, and never even had the promise that they might work out - all come to mind.

Worse, Arteta seems prone to the very human problem of not wishing to admit to errors, or mistakes; while some players are consigned to an internal Arctic exile, others are defended - and comtinue to be defended - beyond what their performances merit, (Raya and Havertz are two recent examples).

In other words, Mikel Arteta has favourites: Players who are "in" (sometimes improbably), and players who are "out", and he seems to find it diffiuclt to move the dial from wither setting, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

And thirdly: I do wonder whether Arteta's insistence on his interpretation of pressing (in faithful homage to his mentor, Pep Guardiola), - both in his legendarily tough training sessions, and during the actual games - is contributing to the injuries - not just the fact of the injuries, but the types, and frequency of injuries suffered by players on the team, and the fact that some of the players, ominously early in the season, are already suffering from something akin to bun out.

Anyway, at this stage, (unlike last season, when the team was a more settled unit), I think that we will not be challenging seriously for the Premier League title, and, in fact, I would argue that - on current form - (not just two defeats in a row, but the nature of those defeats, for all of our possession, we never seriously looked like scoring tonight) we will be doing well to secure qualification for the Champions League by claiming fourth position in the Premier League.
 
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Allowing Newcastle's goal to stand 3x

Scrappy game. With Newcastly doing the typical physical approach. 5 yellow cards for Newcastle players says it all.

That said Arsenal were very poor. Only 1 shot on target. As long as Jesus is the sole main striker and Havertz is in the team i think they will fall short. Don't think Raya is the answer either.

Utd back to winning ways via pantomime villain Bruno.

City does as City does.

Massive win for Sheff Utd

And Burnley continue their free fall.
Both Guimaraes and Havertz deserved red cards, - two very ugly fouls - and Guimaraes played an ugly game.

Re the goal, Arsenal shouldn't have fallen asleep in their own area, and should have mustered more firepower by way of response.

Such dominant possession - and percentatges of completed passes - combined with a pronounced failure to actually convert any of those half chances - are a damning indictment of Arsenal; the team should have been better, and better able to score.

Had we scored a few, a goal conceded would not have been so damaging.
 

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I'm laughing, reading this, although I agree with you.

What do you mean by "unstoppable"?

I'm very much underwhelmed by the pair, and would replace both.

Typo in anger.


Im just peed off. What is this obsession with Raya and Havertz. Edu and Mikel trying their best to justify signing them but its not happening and it’s costing us.

Starting below par Raya has effected Ramsdale’s game too which was visible other night.

Wasting Smith Rowe, Fabio and Trossard on bench.
 
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Typo in anger.


Im just peed off. What is this obsession with Raya and Havertz. Edu and Mikel trying their best to justify signing them but its not happening and it’s costing us.

Starting below par Raya has effected Ramsdale’s game too which was visible other night.

Wasting Smith Rowe and Trossard.
Well, I suggested in my post (above) that Mikel Arteta has blind spots, one of which is that he doubles down on mistakes (Raya and Havertz both come to mind) and seems to stubbornly, tenaciously, almost obsessively, cling to an idée fixe both when some players have been internally exiled from the first team, (or squad), and when someone inappropriate has been purchased and there is a reluctance to admit that it is not working irrespective of how many tweaks one makes with that player.

I'm not sure how Arteta deals with dissent, or disagreement, or whether he is open to advice form colleagues that he would prefer not to hear.
 
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do they know they should call the nfl “soccer” in England?
do they know talent and skill wins some epl matches?
do they know some desperate team gained by the others losing?
do they know a harmful tackle will result in a lone yellow for the guilty
do they know that same foul can generate 3 yellows for the others over that one lone card?
do they know sundays games are irrelevant
do they know monday‘s was important 2 seasons ago.


the more you know…….
 

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@Lioness~ I post all the time about my beloved, and incredibly dysfunctional, SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY to very little notice most of the time. I do get a few likes here and there and a few comments from time to time.

Please hang in there with us!
It is great that people post but people need to understand that not ever post needs a reply.
 
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I see Mikel is blaming everyone but himself in his post match interview lol.
Not terribly surprising.

His (excessive, to my mind) incandescent rage at the fact that Newcastle's goal was allowed was both intemperate and - irrational, and failed to addrsss Arsenal's short-comings, for Arsenal failed to impose themselves with authority on the game.

The team - as a team - is considerably worse than last year, and is unsettled and - I suspect - not especially enjoying themselves (unlike last year).
 
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