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MRU

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I don't know much about cameras but couldn't this be a good thing?

No two 4 ultra pixel cameras whilst maybe allowing some LYTRO focus after the event feature, the main issue of low res image lacking clarity and detail would persist. At the end of the day you'd still end up with a 4mp image ...

They need to at least offer a better and higher MP camera so that when folks are taking photos in normal light they get a high res highly detailed image.

As it currently stands the 4 ultra pixel camera in the one is good for social media but try and make an image a desktop image for your 27" screen and the low resolution and over compressed lacking detail image just looks really pants.
 

albertfallickwa

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Yeah I'm debating between this phone and the LG G Flex on T-Mobile. I can't wait to see how HTC will execute before I renew into the Value Plan.
 

Sensamic

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A 13mp for good day to day photos (landscapes etc. Where you have plenty of light but need resolution for clarity and detail) and a 4 ultrapixel for low light pictures.

That makes far more sense than two ultra pixel cameras to me.

I hope you're right but I seriously doubt that will happen. I don't have too much faith in HTC :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

MRU

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I hope you're right but I seriously doubt that will happen. I don't have too much faith in HTC :rolleyes::rolleyes:

My only hope lays in the fact it's smaller brethren are getting 13mp cameras and not the UltraPixel camera.

We shall see, if it doesn't I won't be buying either.
 

Savor

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I think HTC improved a few things like dual cameras, better SoC, and bigger battery. I even don't mind the black strips as the white ones on the silver ones from last year get dirty easily unless you have Mr. Clean Magic Eraser to get rid of it. And I don't mind the power button moving to the left and headphone jack to the right.

But aesthetically, HTC also took a few steps back.

- HTC watermark is still there but the on-screen buttons makes that watermark pointless to have now and wastes even more space.

- Greenish BlinkFeed looks ugly and it makes the gray/gold models look worse as the colors are all a mismatch. Hopefully a settings option to change the color. The promotional ads will now look a little more unattractive.

- Sensors moved to the right now shortens the top speakers and gives BoomSound an uneven look.

- Alas, nomore Beats Audio logos on the back which is expected.

- It generally looks 90-95% of the original with a few minor changes, same name, and some bad color options. The gold and gray options look bleh. The only colors that were attractive from last year's One was glacial silver and black. And the latter did attract more fingerprint smudges. Marketing uphill battle for a company that struggles in marketing and has to promote generally the same-looking phone with the same name.

I don't mind having the same name, but the average buyer won't even know the difference until they turn the phone over. Apple and Samsung can get away with this type of rehashing but not HTC which isn't as critic-proof and with less marketing muscle. To Apple's credit, the gold option iPhone 5s looked great. White front panel with gold chrome bezels is a nice match similar to silver chrome bezels around white. Same thing can't be said of the all-new HTC One in gold pretty much all over that doesn't look really gold to begin with and black strips. Ugly mismatch. With greenish BlinkFeed? Shudders. Looks like HTC won't capture the critics' hearts like last year. A multiple award winning phone from last year didn't make them anymore successful to begin with.

Now I believe Apple will come up with the best designed smartphone of 2014 with the iPhone 6. I wasn't really feeling it with the iPhone 5/5s designs like I had with the original iPhone or 4/4s. Now Apple can pack an even more powerful SoC and bigger battery into a larger footprint and release the 2014 Phone of the Year. It is understandable for HTC to rehash some of the ideas that they showed us last year. More of the same. Can't expect them to reinvent things every year. But that freshness is gone. The gap from the HTC One 2013 vs 2014 models is no different than Xperia Z to Z1 or Ascend P6 to P7. I'm hoping Samsung surprises in a few days as I expect the S5 to wipe the floor in sales yet again. But my expectations for them aren't so high either.
 

blairh

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Looks like HTC won't capture the critics' hearts like last year. A multiple award winning phone from last year didn't make them anymore successful to begin with.

I don't see any reason why the M8 won't be universally praised by critics yet again. 13 MP camera, on-screen buttons, and an SD card slot will only give it higher marks across the board.

But like you said professional reviews mean very little with respect to actual sales.
 

Oohara

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HTC Event at the MWC, live updates at Android Central.

Ok, nothing on the M8, just the Desire 816. Sorry....as you were :p
 
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Nieval

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I've got a question: What will the dual cameras offer that's worthwhile if both LG and Samsung have produced one-camera-phones that will let you change focus after you've snapped the photo.
 

Sensamic

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New report suggests the two cameras will be 2Mpx and 4Mpx.

HTC has demoed the dual camera feature on MWC with this megapixel count.

If it turns out true it will be a huge disappointment.
 

MRU

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New report suggests the two cameras will be 2Mpx and 4Mpx.

HTC has demoed the dual camera feature on MWC with this megapixel count.

If it turns out true it will be a huge disappointment.


If that turns out to be true I wouldn't touch the new One with a barge pole.
 

blairh

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New report suggests the two cameras will be 2Mpx and 4Mpx.

HTC has demoed the dual camera feature on MWC with this megapixel count.

If it turns out true it will be a huge disappointment.

What report? Evleaks already said it's going to be 13 MP on the back and 5 MP in the front. It's essentially set in stone.
 

MRU

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What report? Evleaks already said it's going to be 13 MP on the back and 5 MP in the front. It's essentially set in stone.

But thats the Desire isn't it ?

The rumours of 2mp & 4mp are based on demo both of a dual camera demonstration unit shown off at MWC.

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http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/127520-htc-one-m8-camera-shown-at-mwc

It's still rumour and very ambiguous - but if it is 2mp & 4mp Ultraxpiel that would not solve any of the issues I had with it and would mean I would not go back to HTC despite preferring their android skin over every other manufacturer.

I'd rather have a desire 800 with 13mp than a One with 2 ultra pixel cameras.
 

rockitdog

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Man, 3/25 is a long ways off. I remember last year the HTC One was released in March and the S4 was released in April. Wonder why HTC is waiting so long this year.
 

blairh

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But thats the Desire isn't it ?

The rumours of 2mp & 4mp are based on demo both of a dual camera demonstration unit shown off at MWC.

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http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/127520-htc-one-m8-camera-shown-at-mwc

It's still rumour and very ambiguous - but if it is 2mp & 4mp Ultraxpiel that would not solve any of the issues I had with it and would mean I would not go back to HTC despite preferring their android skin over every other manufacturer.

I'd rather have a desire 800 with 13mp than a One with 2 ultra pixel cameras.

No. He leaked the specs of the M8 Mini. It's a lock that the One+ (which is most likely the official name given EV's recent tweet showing the keynote invite) will get the same camera as the M8 Mini.

As a PSA, if any of you are interested in the M8 then you should be following Evleaks on Twitter. His leaks are facts, not rumors, and just about every big name tech site rushes to post the news he leaks as soon as he reveals it on Twitter.
 

MRU

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What are you using now?

Note 3.

But I would go back to HTC if they can sort out the camera. I'm growing tired of touchwiz (launchers only solve things to a certain level) and the S5 shows me Samsung has no rush to change their GUI - and I wouldn't buy another Samsung device with Knox EVER.

I really liked my HTC One and would undoubtably still have it had the camera been up to scratch for me. A 13mp camera would be enough (I don't want the moon on a stick) and I do like Sense 5 /5.5 aesthetically as to me it is perhaps the most coherent & consistent android skin on any device including stock android.
 

The Game 161

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Note 3.

But I would go back to HTC if they can sort out the camera. I'm growing tired of touchwiz (launchers only solve things to a certain level) and the S5 shows me Samsung has no rush to change their GUI - and I wouldn't buy another Samsung device with Knox EVER.

I really liked my HTC One and would undoubtably still have it had the camera been up to scratch for me. A 13mp camera would be enough (I don't want the moon on a stick) and I do like Sense 5 /5.5 aesthetically as to me it is perhaps the most coherent & consistent android skin on any device including stock android.

What do you hate so much about TW?
 

MRU

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What do you hate so much about TW?

I've covered this so much.

Basically the fundamentals of a 'launcher' are sound enough. BUT.

1) Application drawer icon on the far right

2) The fact that I can't drag and drop icons to create folders - I have to drag them up to 'create folder' before I can do that.

3) Settings menu is a rather cluttered and overly convoluted mess

4) Dialer - legacy app that belongs back in 2008 and it shows. Horrible cartoony people, big blocky numbers etc. Simple operations like swipe to contacts / favourites are not supported. Even the phone icon itself is hideous.

5) Messaging application - is simply hideous. There is nothing about it from a design perspective that belongs in a modern handset. Every element from the messaging list to actual message conversations themselves are poorly designed. The basic customisation does little to improve it in any meaningful way.

6) Cube scroll effect - on Touchwiz launcher the fact I can't turn off the inverted cube spin effect when going between screens - and in general animations as a whole on the device are as procrastinating as those on iOS7. (at least your able to turn them off in developer options).

7) Icons on the note 3 feel small in comparison to the hideous choice of stock font that Samsung saddle the device with. Either let us make the fonts smaller to match icons (changing font size in settings changes size in applications but not on home screen) or add another row of icons on a bigger device or allow the icons to be made bigger.

8) The myriad of useless services that most of us end up disabling. Applications and services like ChatOn or TripAdvisor

9) Other older legacy apps such as Clock which lack any visual flair and look outdated

10) contrasted by newer Apps like S-Health which has a nice GUI - but then the issues come in the actual app itself. Having compared its results to Jawbone UP and Fitbit Flex & Force the app itself is utterly useless at tracking things correctly. It over credits you for any kind of exercise thereby getting the very basic fundamental wrong.

11) Redundant apps - do I really need Google Play Music / Samsung Music and Samsung HUB (with its own music launcher) on my device - the fact that many applications you can not disable without root access - and as soon as you even think of rooting you have voided your warranty as it would trip Knox


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So yeah basically almost everything from an aesthetic element just feels wrong. There is ZERO consistency throughout the entire Touchwiz experience from its launcher to its stock apps and it's newer app additions.

Contrast that with Sense 5 & 5.5 (which ok folks may not like) but every element of that skin and its stock applications 'work together' and have a design consistency, much like iOS and its GUI and stock apps.

Samsung have created a Frankenstien's monster of a skin with very little 'sewing' other than the artificial kind on the back of the Note 3's back plate holding it all together.


Samsung need to do exactly what HTC did. Go back to the drawing board and create a new touchwiz with 'new foundations'. Most of Touchwiz's issues such as excessive use of ram and performance hiccups here and there are simply because of the new baggage being piled on top of older stuff.

Forget heart rate monitor that 5% of users will likely ever use - give Touchwiz a bang up to date make over. Strip it back. Remove the unnecessary. Make the whole thing feel coherent and uniform. Give users back the RAM it steals and then 100% of Touchwiz users will get something out of it - rather than the few who make use of a half working hacked on addition.
 

blairh

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Yeah I agree with a lot of your TouchWiz criticism but at the same time once I use Nova Launcher Prime most of it is forgotten.

The only thing I can't really avoid when using a launcher is the Settings menu of the device but then again it's manageable and I don't spend a ton of time in Settings.

As for the stock icons, they are truly hideous, but you don't have to use any of them. I use 3rd party alternatives which I find are not only better but a joy to use.

I'm all with you that Samsung needed to completely redesign TouchWiz. I'm shocked they didn't with the S5. The changes I do see (Settings, Notification panel) are simply not enough.

At the same time, if I liked the Note 3 or S5 with respect to hardware it would not stop me from purchasing at this point. Using a launcher and disabling the stock apps I won't use is enough for me to be a happy user.

I also agree regarding Sense. I think Sense 4 is just as terrible as TouchWiz. But Sense 5 was a huge step forward. The kind of step TouchWiz needs. My main gripes with the One were the camera, home button in the lower right, lack of expandable memory, and wake button placement. Three of those four things will be addressed with the M8. Moving the wake button to the right might actually be a slight improvement because you can simply lift your thumb up to reach it versus needing to use your index finger with the M7.
 
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