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A.Goldberg

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Hi everyone,

What would cause a back up assist to stop working on a F-150 ( My Dad's truck BTW) on the display Dad sees the following words " Signal not detected"? Could it be the camera in the back needs to be replaced and the Ford emblem on the tailgate needs to be replaced, too? Any tips or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. It's been at the dealership for two days now. Ford doesn't want to replace the camera. This problem comes and goes BTW.

Is it under warranty? If the dealer is being pesky you can always call corporate and see if they have any reported cases.

A quick Google has some other F150 users with similar problems, interestingly none of their other cars. It looked like it was the camera for a few people, another guy had a loose connection at the head unit.
 
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Hi everyone,

What would cause a back up assist to stop working on a F-150 ( My Dad's truck BTW) on the display Dad sees the following words " Signal not detected"? Could it be the camera in the back needs to be replaced and the Ford emblem on the tailgate needs to be replaced, too? Any tips or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. It's been at the dealership for two days now. Ford doesn't want to replace the camera. This problem comes and goes BTW.
I was reading online that if you take a powerful earth magnet and run it over the backup sensors and backup cameras, it "locks" in the wires to the back of them. If you can hear these wires moving around when you use the magnet, it means the connection is loose. Hopefully, the dealer can figure this out. If not, pulling the bumper off is super hard.
 

D.T.

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Not having the best week so my catharsis for all my pent up bad mojo is knocking around with my car.

Starting a good polishing, 1st pic shows some nice depth and clarity, 2nd for better context.

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determined09

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Is it under warranty? If the dealer is being pesky you can always call corporate and see if they have any reported cases.

A quick Google has some other F150 users with similar problems, interestingly none of their other cars. It looked like it was the camera for a few people, another guy had a loose connection at the head unit.

Yes it under the extended warranty that he purchased. It's three years old truck.

I did a quick googled yesterday too and I texted to my mom ( I texted it to her at 9 am) who texted it to Dad's Lincoln (Dad's been going to this same guy for over 15 yrs and 90% of the time the problems are solved very quickly. The service adviser had handled his F150 and his Lincoln town car, too ) service adviser. The service adviser said to Dad,"So, I see we are using the Internet to solve everything now." Plus there was twenty other cars and trucks in front of Dad. I think that everyone is getting ready for their thanksgiving driving trips. Thank you for the help.
 

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From my experience (Mercedes ML), it's likely the sensor itself and not the camera. Obviously two different cars but when a sensor is involved, it's almost always that. Surprised that Ford can't scan and determine the problem.

Thank you. My father has been using the same Lincoln service adviser for 15 years and 90% of his problems are very quickly. So this is a little different for him to have his truck at the dealership for two full days and they still can't find out what is wrong with it.
 

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From my experience (Mercedes ML), it's likely the sensor itself and not the camera. Obviously two different cars but when a sensor is involved, it's almost always that. Surprised that Ford can't scan and determine the problem.

Is it under warranty? If the dealer is being pesky you can always call corporate and see if they have any reported cases.

A quick Google has some other F150 users with similar problems, interestingly none of their other cars. It looked like it was the camera for a few people, another guy had a loose connection at the head unit.

Thanks guys. Lincoln went ahead and replaced the back up assist camera. The new camera looks clearer.
 
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A.Goldberg

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The service adviser said to Dad,"So, I see we are using the Internet to solve everything now."

Well that's where answers to common flaws typically rear their head, especially when they've built 100000000 F-150's and likely share parts with millions of other FMC vehicles. There are not too many components I can think of that would cause the problem. The camera, the head unit, the wiring in between, or the software. The camera being exposed to the elements and inherently the most fragile has the greatest likelihood of being problematic.

Anyways, that's great you guys got the problem straightened out. It's never fun having to fight over warranty work.
 
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bunnspecial

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The "B" is now riding on new rear leafs, and I've put enough miles on it since doing that(~200-300, not sure exactly since the odometer doesn't work) that I feel pretty confident it's not going to fall apart on me.

First of all, it's astounding how much the old springs had sagged over the years. Of course, this was a mandatory repair since one of the springs was broken, but none-the-less the rear end sat fairly level. Setting an old spring next to a new one showed that the arch had collapsed by ~1", and the old springs were actually about an inch and a half longer(eye to eye) than the replacements. The rear of the car does sit higher in the back by about an inch and a half, but it's not obnoxious by any means and the overall effect on the handling is dramatic. Unfortunately, the steering wheel is now off center. I suspect that the tie rods were adjusted to compensate for the broken spring, but to check that I need to get the front end off the ground, center the wheels, and count the turns from center to lock in each direction. If it's even, I'll have to pull the wheel to center it(assuming I rule everthing else out) although this is a job I dread doing. If the wheel is not even(i.e 1.3 turns in one direction and 1.2 in the other) its indicative that I'll need to need to center it with the tie rods-an overall much easier job.

Needless to say, the car also got all new rubber in the back since I had to remove it anyway(and it added all of about $15 to the repair) as well as a fair bit of replacement hardware. Some of the old hardware had to be cut to get it off, and I overall felt better using new parts on this very critical part of the car.

Here's a before and after of the wheel well-please excuse the poor quality of the photo

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And a sort of interesting photo of the car with one spring replaced

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The next thing to tackle-probably over Thanksgiving weekend-is a full fluid change. The oil change is straighforward albeit supposedly messy thanks to the inverted filter. The PO told me that he changed it "not long ago" but I don't know how long ago that was and it bugs me to see an orange oil filter ever time I open the "bonnet." I'm a big fan of Motorcraft filters, which are generally an upgraded Purolator PureOne(a few more pleats in the filter media) and are a bargain for what they are. I also have to hunt down some Castrol GTX 20w-50, which is the typical recommendation for MGB engines(and other flat-tappet pushrod engines) due to its ZDDP(Zinc) content-most other oils have dramatically reduced or completely eliminated zinc content.

The transmission gets 20w50 also, but fortunately isn't picky about ZDDP and other additives. The big annoyance with this is the location of the dip stick/fill hole, which is only accessible from the passenger footwell. I bought a funnel with a long, flexible extension specifically for the transmission. Fortunately, at least I have rubber floor mats, so spilling a little bit of oil on the passenger floor isn't a huge deal.

The rear end is supposed to get SAE90 hypoid gear oil, which is nearly impossible to find. I have some 80W-90, which is an often-recommended replacement. The fill plug(and possibly the drain plug) is British Pipe Thread, and I'm going to have to custom make a tool to remove it. It's kind of, sort of 1/2" square, and the general suggestion is to get a cheap 1/2" socket adapter and grind it to fit(Harbor Freight ones are ideal for this, as they are not only cheap but also the steel is softer and easier to work). One suggestion I did learn was to remove the fill plug before removing the drain plug, as I don't want to be one of "those guys" who finds himself with an empty differential and no way to refill it.

The clutch hydraulics have a slow leak that I think I've tracked down to the flex hose. I have a replacement, so will probably end up draining all the clutch fluid, installing the new hose, and then refilling with fresh. The brake fluid could stand a change also, but I'll save that for when I do the brakes(which are coming soon).

I've been having issues recently with the dampening mechanism on the carburetors. British SU carburetors are actually quite different in operating principle from the conventional Edelbrok or Holly ones found on many American cars. As air flow through the carb increases, a piston with a needle attached rises that allows more fuel to be aspirated into the air stream. The pistons are damped to improve fuel delivery under certain conditions as well as prevent the engine from "fluttering" when hitting bumps or accelerating rapidly. There is an ongoing debate about what oil to use in them, which cover the whole spectrum of Marvel Mystery Oil or ATF(both about the same weight) all the way up to 90 weight gear oil. Most folks use either 20W50 engine oil or sometimes straight SAE 30. My problem is that the pistons are sometimes slow to fall when falling back down to idle, which will cause the engine to "idle" at 2k+at stoplights while I wait for the pistons to fall(which they will do in 30 seconds or so). I'm going to take apart the upper end of the carburetors, clean them, and reassemble with(probably) fresh 20W50. Whatever is in them now is quite gummy, which again I suspect is the problem.

Finally, I'm slowly working toward doing a full-tune up. I threw some new NGK plugs in it last weekend(BP6ER, which is a favorite of folks on the MG fora)-the big center copper electrode is really a better match for a carburetted engine than the tiny center electrode found on Pt plugs like the ones that were in the car. I need new wires along with a new distributor cap and rotor, as well as to set the timing(I was impeded on this last weekend as I couldn't find the timing marks-I've since found them, and do have a timing light to make full use of them). Once all that's done, I just need to get the carbs balanced and adjusted, although the spark plugs tell me that they're already quite close-I'd just like to get the "normal" idle down to something more than the current ~1K. I have yet to look at the air filters, but am going to change them anyway. Interestingly enough, the OEM style filter has actually been quite elusive even from specialty suppliers like Moss-instead, everyone wants to sell you the ~$50 each K&N filters(which dispense with the stock air supply set up entirely and just hang off the side of the carburetor). Fortunately, Napa actually carries the correct, original style paper filters and for a very reasonable price.

On a final note, my parents have been quite bothered by the fact that I currently don't even have a top on the car, although I do have the frame with the poor condition original vinyl top. They really want to buy me one for Christmas, so I've speced out a reasonably priced Robbins-brand top of higher quality vinyl than the original and also has a zip out rear window(better ventilation on hot days). I'll likely end up going with tan, as I think it will look nice with the BRG body(and photos I've seen of the combination look quite good). A local auto uphostery shop will install it for a reasonable price-I don't want to fit a top myself.
 
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Didn't realize the 911 and Cayman were so close in size

[ awesome pics ]

Dayum. Them's some sweet looking cars. Both handsome drives, but I still prefer the 911. I love the Panamera - people who call it a bloated bathtub blob or whatever have never seen it in person.... it's a beautiful car when you get up close and personal.

I'd love to have a 4S second hand... only slightly less than mildly affordable ;)
 

bunnspecial

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I just finished doing a tune-up on the MG-one of those fun old rituals that you don't have to do with cars anymore.

The distributor rotor on it was marked "Made in W. Germany." Obviously it wasn't the original(the original would have been marked Lucas) but has been on the car a few years :).

It also took a bit of effort to find the timing mark on the pulley, but aside from that it actually was in time without needing any adjustment. I also wish that my timing light had longer leads on it, as you have to view the timing marks from under the car.

The carburetors also-surprisingly enough-needed nothing more than a good cleaning.

I went through and did a bunch of fluid changes also, but the transmission is still proving stubborn as I can't get the drain plug out. I'll tackle that another day.

I still need to get the steering centered(that was on the agenda for last night but I didn't have time) but that's not a huge deal to do.

The county clerks office also decided to quit being difficult, and I was able to walk out with a pair of nice, shiny "Historic Motor Vehicle" plates. I'm not sure why I needed two as KY only requires one, but oh well. I put one on the car, and stuck the other back in my other files on the car.
 
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determined09

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Well that's where answers to common flaws typically rear their head, especially when they've built 100000000 F-150's and likely share parts with millions of other FMC vehicles. There are not too many components I can think of that would cause the problem. The camera, the head unit, the wiring in between, or the software. The camera being exposed to the elements and inherently the most fragile has the greatest likelihood of being problematic.

Anyways, that's great you guys got the problem straightened out. It's never fun having to fight over warranty work.

They so quick to sell you the extended warranty but so slow to fix what is wrong with the car/truck, two full days at the dealership. It's fixed so that good.
 

determined09

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Well Dad's 3 year old F150 truck is back at the dealership again because the air conditioner just went out. Thank goodness he has an extended warranty.
 

bunnspecial

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Well, unfortunately it looks like(big surprise) Duralast branded plug wires are junk.

I got out on the interstate yesterday and was getting misfires like crazy. I'm 95% sure the problem is in the new wires, as I could temporarily remedy it by stopping, pulling and reseating the plug wires, and going back on my way again although it was pretty bad by the end of the trip. Admittedly the problem COULD be in the cap or rotor I installed, but I'm pretty sure that it's the wires. I'm going to start by reinstalling the old ones, and then track back and install the old parts again until the problem goes away.

In any case, even if the Duralast wires turn out to not be the problem, they're still going back because the fit like crap and just look bad. I'm going to order a set of Cobalt brand wires from Moss, which are fairy well regarded in the MG community.

Thank goodness for the lack of emissions equipment, or I likely would have killed a catalytic converter yesterday. At one point, the exhaust sounded like a machine gun. I know that much backfiring isn't good for any exhaust, but I think one without a catalytic converter can handle it better than one with(admittedly the cat might have prevented backfiring by killing the unburned fuel before it had a chance to build up, but that might have still overworked it).

The rotor I removed from the car was marked "Made in West Germany." I'd be interested to know how old it was-it obviously wasn't the original as it would have been Lucas branded, but it still wasn't exactly new.
 

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Well Dad's 3 year old F150 truck is back at the dealership again because the air conditioner just went out. Thank goodness he has an extended warranty.
I think it might be time to invoke the 5year NO LEMON policy that Ford gives its buyers.

5 repairs and they'll cut you a check for the entire purchase price!
 

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you guys seen the refreshed 2017 ford escape?

never really thought much of escapes either way; always been partial to the top trim VW tiguan (SEL this year, R-line the past couple years, the lower trims always looked like ass but the top trims are sexy as hell), but after driving one 2x and negotiating the price down to $32.8k, it still felt overpriced and stale. I found myself frustrated when flooring it from 60 mph that it would only ever downshift a single gear, it would never downshift 2 gears and actually take off. It did handle well being on the GTI platform, but it rode damn near as stiff as my Brembo 5.0 (i mean come on WTF, it's not a brembo 5.0) and had a lot more road noise than you'd expect at that price point, and i'm not one to be sensitive to road noise. I'd actually give it a C grade in the driving category, whereas most people laud this as the best driving small SUV out there.

Aside from that, even with a new Tiguan on the horizon, VW has just let this thing die on the vine in what's easily the hottest market - the small SUV. No BLIS, adaptive cruise, or any of those driver assistance features (not that I really care about most of these as an enthusiast, but most people do), not even parking sensors, and the multifunction display in the gauge cluster is a heavily pixelated black and white atrocity that already looked old 8 years ago - didn't think this would be a big deal but after spending two years staring at my full color hi-res one in the Mustang, it's almost the thing that bothered me the most. No ambient lighting, no remote start, no LED tails - really nothing that a nearly $40k VW should have in 2016. Even the wheels haven't changed since 2012. I told a couple buddies I was looking at Tigs, and they didn't even know what they were, that's how dead the Tiguan is to the general public, when it should actually be far and away VW's best seller. gas mileage is pretty crappy too.

So, always happy with the family Fords over the years which have always been rock solid, I started looking at the Escape and peeped the facelifted '17. This is looking to be a really nice truck in 2.0 ecoboost/AWD flavor. 245 hp and 275 lb/ft should be fairly peppy, and Ford is adding all the driver assistance goodies, LED tails, SYNC 3, and they will even have an app that will allow you to remotely lock/unlock/start the vehicle from anywhere from your phone, and it will also tell you the fuel level, battery condition, and tire pressure. It will even allow you to set a remote start time in the future so it will start automatically at the time you specify. the front/rear refreshes will make the car look a little sportier too. Only thing I'm not seeing any mention of so far is cooled seats, but I don't think full info has been released yet either.

I think this will definitely be worthy of a test drive in the spring. ford continues playing to win. meanwhile VW removed the lousy USB port from the center console when they went to carplay/android auto, so you get to permanently dock your iPod in front of the shifter where the sole usb port now is right where everyone can see it. well played, vw.
 

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you guys seen the refreshed 2017 ford escape?

never really thought much of escapes either way; always been partial to the top trim VW tiguan (SEL this year, R-line the past couple years, the lower trims always looked like ass but the top trims are sexy as hell), but after driving one 2x and negotiating the price down to $32.8k, it still felt overpriced and stale. I found myself frustrated when flooring it from 60 mph that it would only ever downshift a single gear, it would never downshift 2 gears and actually take off. It did handle well being on the GTI platform, but it rode damn near as stiff as my Brembo 5.0 (i mean come on WTF, it's not a brembo 5.0) and had a lot more road noise than you'd expect at that price point, and i'm not one to be sensitive to road noise. I'd actually give it a C grade in the driving category, whereas most people laud this as the best driving small SUV out there.

Aside from that, even with a new Tiguan on the horizon, VW has just let this thing die on the vine in what's easily the hottest market - the small SUV. No BLIS, adaptive cruise, or any of those driver assistance features (not that I really care about most of these as an enthusiast, but most people do), not even parking sensors, and the multifunction display in the gauge cluster is a heavily pixelated black and white atrocity that already looked old 8 years ago - didn't think this would be a big deal but after spending two years staring at my full color hi-res one in the Mustang, it's almost the thing that bothered me the most. No ambient lighting, no remote start, no LED tails - really nothing that a nearly $40k VW should have in 2016. Even the wheels haven't changed since 2012. I told a couple buddies I was looking at Tigs, and they didn't even know what they were, that's how dead the Tiguan is to the general public, when it should actually be far and away VW's best seller. gas mileage is pretty crappy too.

So, always happy with the family Fords over the years which have always been rock solid, I started looking at the Escape and peeped the facelifted '17. This is looking to be a really nice truck in 2.0 ecoboost/AWD flavor. 245 hp and 275 lb/ft should be fairly peppy, and Ford is adding all the driver assistance goodies, LED tails, SYNC 3, and they will even have an app that will allow you to remotely lock/unlock/start the vehicle from anywhere from your phone, and it will also tell you the fuel level, battery condition, and tire pressure. It will even allow you to set a remote start time in the future so it will start automatically at the time you specify. the front/rear refreshes will make the car look a little sportier too. Only thing I'm not seeing any mention of so far is cooled seats, but I don't think full info has been released yet either.

I think this will definitely be worthy of a test drive in the spring. ford continues playing to win. meanwhile VW removed the lousy USB port from the center console when they went to carplay/android auto, so you get to permanently dock your iPod in front of the shifter where the sole usb port now is right where everyone can see it. well played, vw.

VW has been watering down their cars for years. They once made great cars- like the Touareg, Phaeton, Passat that offered a lot for a lot less than the completion. Those days are no more, they're no abou building the best selling /cheapest car for the money. Now their effort will go into paying off their fines and legal settlements.
 

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VW has been watering down their cars for years. They once made great cars- like the Touareg, Phaeton, Passat that offered a lot for a lot less than the completion. Those days are no more, they're no abou building the best selling /cheapest car for the money. Now their effort will go into paying off their fines and legal settlements.
Ugh, don't even get me started...

How do you go from this
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you guys seen the refreshed 2017 ford escape?
The post facelift kind of has a Subaru-vibe to it

But not bad, I'm glad they cleaned up the interior.

Thank you for insight. I'll pass it on.
Good luck with that!

The process should be pretty easy. You FedEx the different service bills to Ford's PO box. They verify it within 72 hours, and then cut you a check for the entire purchase price.
 
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VW has been watering down their cars for years. They once made great cars- like the Touareg, Phaeton, Passat that offered a lot for a lot less than the completion. Those days are no more, they're no abou building the best selling /cheapest car for the money. Now their effort will go into paying off their fines and legal settlements.

It's pretty sad. We bought my wife's Beetle new in 2012, which was (and has been) a great car. Had good feature content and build quality for the money at the time. We were at the VW dealer recently, and the 2016 Beetle is virtually identical, sans replacement of the trusty old 2.5 with the 1.8T. Feature-wise, it's the exact same car, sans carplay. Same seats, same stereos, same options. In the Beetle's defense, it hasn't had a facelift yet and I know they will probably run this thing 12 years, but I would still expect some better/new options by the 5th year of the run. Just made us feel that much better about the '12, I guess.

The problem with VW is that at the start of the decade they thought everyone wanted big and cheap (which to a degree, they were right - so many Walmart-venturing Americans want the biggest piece of **** for the cheapest price) - but the problem is, those Walmart-venturing bottom feeders were never shopping VW anyway. A larger segment of the public actually decided they wanted more features and more content, and better build quality, and the rest of the manufacturers realized this. It may have taken a bailout or close to it for a few manufacturers to realize it, but it did light a fire under their ass to put out a great product, but what was VW doing in 2008-2009 during the bailout years to then think releasing a decontented Jetta and Passat a couple years later would go over well?

My biggest gripe with VW is that they are just terrible with facelifts and refreshes. You might get different bumpers, but other than that, you can forget it for the most part. The car they sell at the end of the model run is basically the exact same car they sold at the start of the model run, and it was maybe competitive for the first 1-3 years of the run. I mean, look at the Tiguan. VW has done next to nothing with it for the last 5 years, and not much at all over the entire 6-7 year lifespan in terms of tech or tangible features. Then I think of what Ford did with the Mustang between 2005-2014, which included new sheetmetal for literally every single body panel on the car except the roof skin in 2010, an enormous mechanical refresh in 2011 with the clean sheet 5.0 and 300+ hp V6s, introduction of the entire Brembo/Track Pack and all the suspension/brakes/goodies that goes with that, fine tuning of the solid rear axle and better tranny tuning, completely new interior as well in 2010 with much, much better materials, hi res full color multi function display with mycolor, ambient lighting, track apps, a glass roof option, better stereos, etc. Then if that wasn't enough, in 2013 the car got yet another major refresh where it gained all new front and rear designs and updated lower fascias, bixenons standard across the line, led running lights, full led taillights, led fog lights - i mean the list goes on, and that was just for the final two years of its life. Not to mention just happening to throw in that BOSS 302 and also doing a couple major GT500 refreshes, resulting in a 662 hp monster in the end. And they did all this development in the midst of the bailout years?

Maybe ford isn't the norm, but I don't think VW is either. Ford really seems to have busted their behinds to get people in the showroom, and it seems pretty evident they deserve to sell the cars that they do. VW meanwhile decontented everything and lies about what was arguably its best product, then even removes the ten cent USB port from the center console in the Tiguan. The Tiguan has always been criticized as overpriced, so in response in 2016 VW doesn't add content, or reduce the price of the existing offering, instead, they reshuffle the trim lines so that the previously top of the line R-line which contained all the top of the line features as well as the sporty R-line bits is now the second crappiest trim, and the top of the line is now the SEL. Well yeah it's $2k-$3k cheaper, but it's decontented accordingly as it no longer has any of the sporty R-line bits. So it isn't any cheaper, it's still just decontented.

Don't get me wrong, I love VW and am looking hard at a CC R-line Executive w/Carbon next spring, but even without the diesel scandal it seems like they just don't get it. Then again I was a fool and bought a top of the line '13 Jetta SEL w/Nav, which I got rid of after a year because I couldn't stand the digital-clock-quality black and white MFI with the crappy digital fuel gauge or the fact the car rattled like a mother after a year. Thought by buying top of the line I was avoiding most of the decontenting that had been done to the Jetta, and to a degree I was, but there was a lot of decontenting where your eyes couldn't see as well that was only apparent after living with the car for a bit. The Mustang has felt world-class after that.
 
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