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A.Goldberg

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The interior according to Elon is very much unfinished and different from what the final version that "looks like a spaceship" will be.

To me and many others, the exterior design is a beautiful amalgamation of aesthetic touches inspired by high-end automakers.

The interior they released looks horrendous to me. As if they forgot to put in controls and then threw in the big tablet screen at the last minute. The "tablet" infotainment screen is so overused. Mercedes, BMW, Audi to an extent, etc.

The exterior isn't at all impressive to me either. It kinda has a Volvo S60 vibe. The front of it looks ridiculous without a grill or any lines to break up the snout.
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Well yes, it's unproven technology still. That being said, I'm not sure how sales numbers quantify how "good" a car really is. If that were true, the Toyota Camry would be the best sedan in the world.

I do believe the Bolt will outsell the 3. Why? Significantly higher production capacity and GM has a far more extensive distribution network (i.e dealers/warehouses/etc). They have the ability to sell to Joe Rancher in the middle of Montana or in Podunk South Dakota.

I have family in Maine. The closest Tesla service center is in Boston. About 150ish miles away. If they wanted to get their Model 3 fixed/serviced, the cost is $3/mile for the Tesla Ranger to come up on top of the maintenance charges.


Maybe excellent is a exaggeration (lol), but I wouldn't call them stagnant or terrible. GM has been cranking out some damn good cars recently, like the Volt, Corvette, Camaro, etc.

I would expect the Chevy Bolt has the potential to sell a lot more, but nothing is certain. Tesla is playing straight from the Apple cult-following playbook. Tesla simply doesn't have the manufacturing or sales network to sell the number of cars that GM can. Tesla's asthetics however win hands down. For $35,000, the Tesla seems like a much better offer than GM's econohatch.

That said, the EV Market is still in its infancy. The Nissan leaf is super cheap and has had super poor sales. The Chevy Volt failed to be very successful and the resale on them is atrocious. Maybe the key here is selling high end Electric vehicles like the Model S and not cheap little quirky hatchbacks.
 

iLog.Genius

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Many parts of the Model 3 look like the Porsche Panamera - that is to say, it's not the best looking car but because the Model 3 is all the hype now, it gets a pass and instead the media says it looks good, modern, or whatever.
 

quagmire

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That said, the EV Market is still in its infancy. The Nissan leaf is super cheap and has had super poor sales. The Chevy Volt failed to be very successful and the resale on them is atrocious. Maybe the key here is selling high end Electric vehicles like the Model S and not cheap little quirky hatchbacks.

The Volt unfortunately suffered from GM's trademark... Absolutely poor marketing. The Volt in my view is the perfect vehicle to bridge the gap between gas and electric vehicles( or whatever does end up becoming the next fuel to power cars). But, it seems like everyone latched on to the whole 40 mile range and thought that was it and after 40 miles, they would have to plug the car back in. It's amazing to this day I have to tell people there is a gas generator on board to extend it past the 40 miles( now 53 miles with the 2nd gen) of electric only. GM didn't do a good job explaining what the Volt is and what is does. You can also probably include politics as well( but a much smaller reason). The Volt became synonymous with the bailout and often called Obama's vehicle by political hacks.

Which is a damn shame really. The Volt is the most innovative thing GM has done in years. Even today, GM is still very risk-adverse.
 
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Many parts of the Model 3 look like the Porsche Panamera - that is to say, it's not the best looking car but because the Model 3 is all the hype now, it gets a pass and instead the media says it looks good, modern, or whatever.
I'm also getting a Panamera vibe from the front. But it REALLY needs some sort of grill to break up that space of nothing up front.
 

A.Goldberg

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I'm also getting a Panamera vibe from the front. But it REALLY needs some sort of grill to break up that space of nothing up front.

Yeah I think they're trying to go after the Porsche look. Porshe conventionally using mid/rear mount engines have no need for a grill. Regardless they tend to have that lip and lower bumper facade to break things up.

Maybe they're trying to be risky and start a grill-less fad to boast the lack of engine. Just as the Prius invented the computer-mouse car shape that screams "I'm a hybrid".

The Model 3 is like a person's face with two eyes, two ears, a nose, and no mouth.

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Weaselboy

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Nissan, Ford, and Dodge ouch
Ford did not do well on this survey last year either. I recall reading something last year much of this was due to serious issues with their Ford Sync product. I know they just revamped it, so maybe that will bring them up next year.
 

D.T.

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I am not a blue car guy, I don't think, though I was shopping blue GT500s, and did have a Z3 (in blue...), and I loved the M2 (props to AU39) in blue ...

Anyway :D

This is the new for 2017 Lightning Blue on the GT350, wow. Also new for the GT350, Grabber (that's the very light blue and ruby red). This color with the matt black strips with the small outer red highlight stripe, the black wheels (carbon fiber) and the huge red calipers is *tasty*.

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bunnspecial

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When I first got my MG, my parts guy warned me that it was common that repairs I thought would be difficult/complicated often wouldn't be as bad as I expected, but that a seemingly simple repair could baffle you :) .

The past two weeks have shown that to be the case. I absolutely dreaded installing the new exhaust, but it surprisingly easy-the most difficult part was getting the old loose(along with the corroded fasteners). Although I went with an OEM-style exhaust(which uses a two-box set up), I was quite pleased with it-it makes the noise of the car tolerable while still retaining the distinctive "British sports car" sound-especially the low frequency "grunt" on accelerating.

I started investigating and cleaning up what remained of my emissions system. I didn't think something was exactly "right" and though initially that the missing charcoal canister and requisite plumbing was causing a problem. The car(for the 1970 m/y and a few years around it) doesn't have a PCV valve, but instead uses vacuum lines off the carburetor to suck up and burn the crank case fumes. The problem is that when pulling air out of the crank case, you need a source of "make up" air, and I had no place from which to get that. If the car has a charcoal can, the make-up air comes from it into a vent in the top of the valve cover(the charcoal can also has the carb float bowls plumbed to it, along with the gas tank overflow/pressure relief to handle gasoline vapors). Before the charcoal can was used, the oil filler cap was ventilated to provide the make-up air(MGBs had some sort of PCV system from the beginning, with earlier and later ones having a PCV valve).

In any case, although I've seen 1970 cars with the charcoal can, it seems that was primarily a California thing. Since my car really shows no evidence of the can ever having been mounted(although screw holes are there) it likely never had a charcoal can. That means that the carb overflows go to the ground, the gas tank cap is ventilated, and the oil filler cap should be ventilated.

Someone on the MG Experience forum very generously sent me vented oil filler cap. I installed it this evening, and the engine seems much happier with it(I'd tried driving it previously with a rag rubber banded over the oil filler opening, and it made a similar difference). So, that's the emissions system complete-aside from the missing airpump(they're virtually impossible to find working, and don't really do a lot to reduce emissions on a correctly tuned car).

One would think that replacing an oil cap would be one of those "stupidly easy" jobs. The problem was that both caps have a retainer strap on them, and obviously I wanted to leave it in place. I had a terrible time getting the retainer strap off, and then getting the one for the replacement cap on. But, all sand and done, it was worth it.

Last week, another MG Experience member very generously gave me a Rostyle wheel with a(30 year old) tire on it. He is the president of the North American All-Register MG Council, and he was in Louisville for meetings for the big meet this summer. I'm debating if I want to install one of the 17 year old tires I took off the car, or if I should pay a local shop $50 for a used but reasonably new tire mounted and balanced on the rim. This is strictly as the spare, but obviously I want something that I could at least safely drive 50-100 miles or so on. Fortunately, I at least don't have tubes to deal with :)

I also bought a set of bonnet struts from the guy who gave me the wheel. I have yet to install the bonnet struts, but am really excited about them and am looking forward to getting them in place-no more getting the piece of PVC pipe out of the boot as a prop!

My "to do" list does continue to grow, however. I had trouble a couple of weeks back with a stuck needle valve in one of the carburetor bowls. I managed to limp home(fortunately I was just out for an evening drive, and I caught it after driving about a half mile and noticing something didn't seem right). I took that one apart the next day and cleaned it(it was fine), but also got my parts guy on the phone to order parts. I got new needle valves, seats, floats, and gaskets for both float bowls. The parts came in yesterday, but the weather has been crummy enough that I haven't driven it and thus haven't seen an immediate need to tackle it. I'll likely do that the start of next week. It did stick on me again on Tuesday, but I took my part's guys advice and hit it with a hammer-that cleared up the problem. I have a 10 oz. ball peen and a 4lb "BFH" in the boot, and both have been very convenient at times. This particular situation called for the 10 oz. hammer :)

I've been having clutch hydraulic issues for a while that I've kept at bay by just topping up the M/C reservoir every few weeks. Even so, I ordered a kit(master, slave, flex hose, and push rod) a few weeks ago and just haven't installed them yet. The slave should be easy since it bolts on the side of the transmission, but the master seems to be quite a bit more of a pain. There's a bolt retaining it that is only accessible from the interior side of the bulkead, and a nut holding it in place that's only accesible from the engine side of the bulkhead. I've read a lot of "tricks" on getting the one back in place, and hopefully one of them will work. I think I need to get right on it, though, as the M/C has started a slow fluid leak into the driver's footwell.
 

iLog.Genius

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I wouldn't say it's hard to take care of a white car but it's easy to leave it neglected because most paint imperfections won't be seen unless you take a light to it. Someone could wash a white car frequently to avoid issues like rust and think it's clean until they take a light to see the swirl marks.

In contrast, simple black paints are the worse I find. They're typically soft so they're a lot more prone to imperfections. My Jet Black 3er is a perfect example of this. You so much as breathe on it, you're getting a mark somewhere. I recently spent a whole week detailing it but I won't be surprised to the paint being filled with marks again.
 
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determined09

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I wouldn't say it's hard to take care of a white car but it's easy to leave it neglected because most paint imperfections won't be seen unless you take a light to it. Someone could wash a white car frequently to avoid issues like rust and think it's clean until they take a light to see the swirl marks.

In contrast, simple black paints are the worse I find. They're typically soft so they're a lot more prone to imperfections. My Jet Black 3er is a perfect example of this. You so much as breathe on it, you're getting a mark somewhere. I recently spent a whole week detailing it but I won't be surprised to the paint being filled with marks again.

Thank you
This will be a pearl white color.

I'll try To keep an eye out for the swirl marks
 
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determined09

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So far so good knock on wood, my father hasn't any problems with his f-150 truck lately. Thank you everyone for all your help.
 
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