The Car Thread ... !

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The question is, will it be ever driven after delivery?

 

[Gutwrench]

I was about to get it, but i realized that the fingerprint and scratches would drive me insane, so i passed.

Naw, you can just run it through the robo wash.

 

[stylinexpat]

Scat Pack Test-Drive Performance overview:

Finally had a chance to drive a Scat, and to be perfectly honest, I’m glad I did, aside from the GT 350 and/or the 18/19 GT in Orange Fury or Race Red.

My thoughts of the Scat, overall, I think the car looks great and I would say this particular model is completely underrated. It’s factory lowered, 20” wheels, Brembo’s, Bilstein sport -tuned suspension, 3.09 A-R, probably one of the best sounding stock exhaust I’ve come across, for those who don’t know, it’s a 6.4 L V8 tuned by the -SRT- team of Dodge and it has the eight speed torque flight transmission with manual operability via paddles and shifter control. They Model I looked at, was $44,000.

Overall, I’ll try to keep this overview on driving the experience only, but I really enjoyed this ride for everything it had to offer. I think Dodge did an excellent job in terms of making a four-door sedan that is ridiculously powerful and had me laughing with excitement driving this around the city. When I was merging onto the highway, I didn’t even floor the pedal, and it threw me back in my seat, which I was not really expecting that type of response. The shifts are precise and has razor sharp throttle response. (Even more so over my GT). For being a heavier sedan, it handles fairly well, [I didn’t have the chance to take it around any corners], the braking is immediate with the Brembos.

What’s interesting, is the fuel mileage on the Scat is 15/25, almost identical to the 5.7 hemi in the RT model.

There are a lot of positive things I want to touch on in terms of the interior, Sound system, exterior styling, U-connect 8.4 display, so many little minuscule touches that Dodge executed that really stood out to me over other performance cars that I’ve owned over the years. If I decide to purchase this specific car, I will go further into detail about that. But if someone had the money to upgrade from the 5.7 RT to the 6.4 Scat, by all means, the Scat is the clear winner in every facet, which the SRT team did an outstanding job in the performance aspects.

Lastly, Of all the test drives I have had over the years, [And I have had quite a few of them], this one left me thinking about my decision moving forward, and left me wanting more, which really says something, and I’m also not your ‘average car enthusiast’ either to say something like that.

You need to test drive the new Scatpack Widebody. 2 door model

 

[stylinexpat]

I’m a car fanatic. Good video for those who love perfection and cars

https://www.motor1.com/news/308785/lexus-60000-hour-video/

 

[44267547]

I’m thinking my next Charger could well be be a lightly-used Scat (if such a thing exists) if I can find one equipped to my liking. Interesting that it achieves the same gas mileage as the R/T, even if it is with premium fuel.

I had been thinking that the Hellcat would be the way to go, and even test drove one. But the Scat (or SRT) is probably more sensible. Sounds like it has plenty of go. I look forward to hearing more about your impressions of the car, especially if you decide to buy it.

Guess at some point I’ll have to take one for a test drive.

So I’ve done my homework on the Scat for quite some time, and I can give you a few things to look for if you decide on that route, plus, if I decide to purchase the Scat, I’ll definitely do a more ‘in-depth review’ of the interior/exterior and extended driving impressions.

Now in my situation, I will likely opt new, but being that you want to look for a used Scat, they definitely are out there and for decent prices, and most Scats from my research are leased due to the price point of these cars being new. Which is a good thing, because I find that leased cars are usually well-managed (i.e Maintenance records) v.s. someone who might have privately owned it, not knowing how they likely treated/driven it and may _not_ have a maintenance trail, ect.

The other thing about the Scats, the 16’-18’ are primarily the same, there weren’t a lot of major changes made with these models, with the exception of the 2019 being with the line lock/launch control, active dampening and new grill. Also, the Scat I drove included ‘Performance pages’, which shows a [0 to 60, engine read-out, and even has a Dyno-graph]!

The great thing about the Scats is the color options, also, there are far more interior options then there are exterior options. Meaning that whatever Scat you choose, will be equipped with either four piston or six piston Brembos, 20 inch wheels, full true dual exhaust, scalloped satin rear-wing, rear bumper has integrated ‘cooling’ vents, ect.

As you know, I have driven the 5.7 extensively for work, (and I know you have the 5.7 L), so you already have experience with the RT, but this is a whole another level of ‘fun’. Just the way this car shifts with the transmission, engine notes, ride control, sport mode, makes this car far more dynamic than most would even expect an outstanding four-door sedan could deliver.

I have some difficult decisions to make.....

 

[Gutwrench]

I have a Nissan and two Mercedes. I drive the Nissan 99% of the time.

 

[Matz]

So I’ve done my homework on the Scat for quite some time, and I can give you a few things to look for if you decide on that route, plus, if I decide to purchase the Scat, I’ll definitely do a more ‘in-depth review’ of the interior/exterior and extended driving impressions.

Now in my situation, I will likely opt new, but being that you want to look for a used Scat, they definitely are out there and for decent prices, and most Scats from my research are leased due to the price point of these cars being new. Which is a good thing, because I find that leased cars are usually well-managed (i.e Maintenance records) v.s. someone who might have privately owned it, not knowing how they likely treated/driven it and may _not_ have a maintenance trail, ect.

The other thing about the Scats, the 16’-18’ are primarily the same, there weren’t a lot of major changes made with these models, with the exception of the 2019 being with the line lock/launch control, active dampening and new grill. Also, the Scat I drove included ‘Performance pages’, which shows a [0 to 60, engine read-out, and even has a Dyno-graph]!

The great thing about the Scats is the color options, also, there are far more interior options then there are exterior options. Meaning that whatever Scat you choose, will be equipped with either four piston or six piston Brembos, 20 inch wheels, full true dual exhaust, scalloped satin rear-wing, rear bumper has integrated ‘cooling’ vents, ect.

As you know, I have driven the 5.7 extensively for work, (and I know you have the 5.7 L), so you already have experience with the RT, but this is a whole another level of ‘fun’. Just the way this car shifts with the transmission, engine notes, ride control, sport mode, makes this car far more dynamic than most would even expect an outstanding four-door sedan could deliver.

I have some difficult decisions to make.....

Indeed.

I’d probably go with a ‘17 or newer, as I believe ‘17 is when CarPlay became available in that vehicle.

Going from AWD to RWD will be interesting as well; the two Chargers I’ve owned have been AWD R/T.

Recently went to San Diego and rented a Challenger R/T, which of course is RWD. I enjoyed driving it, but it took just a bit of getting used to. I would imagine the Scat would too, even more so.

 

[vipergts2207]

Loving all the Mopar talk. We ordered the wife a 2019 Challenger GT AWD a few weeks ago. Came in Wednesday last week, much sooner than I expected. Got it in B5 Blue and basically fully loaded: Plus Package, Driver Convenience, Technology Group, Blacktop Package, Alpine Audio, and the sunroof. Didn’t get navigation, seems pointless with CarPlay. I’d like to replace my 2010 Charger SXT with a Scat Pack when hers is paid off in a few years. This car’s going to be great for winter driving though.

Haven’t even had it a week yet and already had the first clown try to get me to race at a light. Turned green and he took off in what seemed like a modified V8 Camaro from the early 2000’s. I on the other hand proceeded to accelerate like a normal person. This car draws enough attention without showing off.

 

[trillionaire]

Loving all the Mopar talk. We ordered the wife a 2019 Challenger GT AWD a few weeks ago. Came in Wednesday last week, much sooner than I expected. Got it in B5 Blue and basically fully loaded: Plus Package, Driver Convenience, Technology Group, Blacktop Package, Alpine Audio, and the sunroof. Didn’t get navigation, seems pointless with CarPlay. I’d like to replace my 2010 Charger SXT with a Scat Pack when hers is paid off in a few years. This car’s going to be great for winter driving though.

Haven’t even had it a week yet and already had the first clown try to get me to race at a light. Turned green and he took off in what seemed like a modified V8 Camaro from the early 2000’s. I on the other hand proceeded to accelerate like a normal person. This car draws enough attention without showing off.

That's a sweet ride! I've always liked the look of these. Definitely prefer the Challenger over the Charger. I have yet to indulge my need for a drivers car, just stuck to family haulers so far. One of these days I'll get something fun, but now is not the time unfortunately.

The thing is, nowadays they release so many new ones that you always see something new that you would want. It would be amazing to change cars every 6 months to a year, but it's not like a car is a short-term buy, the cost sets you back for several years and by that time the car you have is not worth much so getting a newer one is a whole new investment. It sucks if you don't have the money to dabble in different makes, models, trims, etc.

 

[Mr Kram]

I have a Nissan and two Mercedes. I drive the Nissan 99% of the time.

reasoning, just curious? I take my turbo S out maybe every 10 days or so. love driving it, but can't enjoy it just running around town doing errands. I also don't want to put a ton of unnecessary miles on it.

 

[Matz]

Loving all the Mopar talk. We ordered the wife a 2019 Challenger GT AWD a few weeks ago. Came in Wednesday last week, much sooner than I expected. Got it in B5 Blue and basically fully loaded: Plus Package, Driver Convenience, Technology Group, Blacktop Package, Alpine Audio, and the sunroof. Didn’t get navigation, seems pointless with CarPlay. I’d like to replace my 2010 Charger SXT with a Scat Pack when hers is paid off in a few years. This car’s going to be great for winter driving though.

Haven’t even had it a week yet and already had the first clown try to get me to race at a light. Turned green and he took off in what seemed like a modified V8 Camaro from the early 2000’s. I on the other hand proceeded to accelerate like a normal person. This car draws enough attention without showing off.

Nice ride!

IMO, the Challenger of the past few years manages to pull off a tough trick, very well - that of being ‘modern’ while staying true to its roots.

 

[vipergts2207]

Nice ride!

IMO, the Challenger of the past few years manages to pull off a tough trick, very well - that of being ‘modern’ while staying true to its roots.

I think that's true, and that same reason is probably why the new Camaro has been so widely panned for its looks.

 

[44267547]

Loving all the Mopar talk. We ordered the wife a 2019 Challenger GT AWD a few weeks ago. Came in Wednesday last week, much sooner than I expected. Got it in B5 Blue and basically fully loaded: Plus Package, Driver Convenience, Technology Group, Blacktop Package, Alpine Audio, and the sunroof. Didn’t get navigation, seems pointless with CarPlay. I’d like to replace my 2010 Charger SXT with a Scat Pack when hers is paid off in a few years. This car’s going to be great for winter driving though.

Haven’t even had it a week yet and already had the first clown try to get me to race at a light. Turned green and he took off in what seemed like a modified V8 Camaro from the early 2000’s. I on the other hand proceeded to accelerate like a normal person. This car draws enough attention without showing off.

I like the color scheme with the wheel set up you have, the -blue pearl- coat looks sharp with the black contrast. And I admit, it’s nice to have the all-wheel-drive factor, especially if you have varying weather conditions year around, that makes a *huge* impact on the drivability, and the 3.6 L Pentastar engines are rated reliable from my readings, decent HP just over 300/270 Tq. What I like about the Challenger, it’s a commanding car on the road for as big as it is, and I do agree with what Matz said above, Dodge held true to their design cues with this specific model. I looked at a Challenger awhile back, it’s not for me specifically, but it has matured nicely over the years. Performance isn't everything for everyone’s ‘car buying situations’, all the matters is you like your car for everything it offers.

 

[Gutwrench]

reasoning, just curious? I take my turbo S out maybe every 10 days or so. love driving it, but can't enjoy it just running around town doing errands. I also don't want to put a ton of unnecessary miles on it.

One is in California so it only gets used when I’m there. And a visit is long overdue.

The other is here in the Twin Cities but sits in the garage. The Nissan gets me where I need to be and it’s just comfortably. I don’t drive much outside of commuting so that’s certainly a contributing factor.

 

[Huntn]

I'm in the market for new tires for my 2013 Toyota Highlander. I currently have Bridgestone tires. A local car repair shop, who I have a relationship with for good repairs, does tire replacement and they suggested Kumho Crugen HT51 All Season Tires which appear to be very reasonably priced at $171 each. I've never heard of this brand, is it Korean? Anyone who can vouch for this tire?

It seems to get decent reviews at a place like: https://www.tirebuyer.com/tires/kumho/crugen-ht51/p/style/365035#
But who knows how accurate these reviews are?

 

[panjandrum]

Haven’t even had it a week yet and already had the first clown try to get me to race at a light. Turned green and he took off in what seemed like a modified V8 Camaro from the early 2000’s. I on the other hand proceeded to accelerate like a normal person. This car draws enough attention without showing off.

Yep, take it to the track, strip, or autocross. That's a) mostly safe, b) fulfilling, and c) will actually teach you to be a better driver. Also, if you are like me and feel the need for speed, you will get that out of your system. I stopped getting speeding tickets pretty much the moment I started doing amateur motorsports.

I admit I do find it very amusing when people try to get me to street race in my Porsche, considering it is slower to 60 than basically anything sold today even if I was ever inclined to street-race, which I'm not, never was, and never will be (even when I owned muscle-cars I never street raced them in any way). Even the cheapest modern mini-van would utterly destroy me in a straight line. (Poor man's model for 1976; a 911 with a vinyl interior and a 4-banger. It only had around 86hp stock. It's been mildly massaged, not because I wanted more power (I liked the original 30-33 mpg and now I'm lucky to get 25 in summer highway cruising), but because the fuel-injection parts are basically unavailable (one-year FI system for less than 2100 total cars of that model). It felt like it needed a rebuild anyway right around 200k so I went to dual webber IDFs (looks like dual carbs, but is functionally 1 barrel per cylinder) and after the rebuild it went the dyno and came back at just over 125hp and 150lbs torque. Even at a reasonably-light 1 and a quarter tons this is not a straight-line car in any way. Remember even the 911s of that era were mid-to-high 7 second range to 60).

You should take your Challenger and Charger to an auto-x and see which one you like better. That would be fun. We see quite a few modern muscle-cars at events, and they've all come a long way in terms of handling (esp. the Mustang, as I mentioned above somewhere).
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I'm in the market for new tires for my 2013 Toyota Highlander. I currently have Bridgestone tires. A local car repair shop, who I have a relationship with for good repairs, does tire replacement and they suggested Kumho Crugen HT51 All Season Tires which appear to be very reasonably priced at $171 each. I've never heard of this brand, is it Korean? Anyone who can vouch for this tire?

It seems to get decent reviews at a place like: https://www.tirebuyer.com/tires/kumho/crugen-ht51/p/style/365035#
But who knows how accurate these reviews are?

Well, for what it is worth I had a set of Kumho's supposedly ultra-high-performance summer tires on my Beetle for street driving and autocross and two of them ended up with bulging sidewalls for no reason whatsoever. That was a good, I don't know, 12 years ago now I would guess but I've never considered Kumho again. Their grip also sucked, nothing close to what I was expecting and no where near as good as the UHP all-season Bridgestone Potenza Pole Positions I now have on the car.

 

[Huntn]

Yep, take it to the track, strip, or autocross. That's a) mostly safe, b) fulfilling and c) will actually teach you to be a better driver. Also, if you are like me and feel the need for speed, you will get that out of your system. I stopped getting speeding tickets pretty much the moment I started doing amateur motorsports.

I admit I do find it very amusing when people try to get me to street race in my Porsche, considering it is slower to 60 than basically anything sold today even if I was ever inclined to street-race, which I'm not, never was, and never will be (even when I owned muscle-cars I never street raced them in any way). Even the cheapest modern mini-van would utterly destroy me in a straight line. (Poor man's model for 1976; a 911 with a vinyl interior and a 4-banger. It only had around 86hp stock. It's been mildly massaged, not because I wanted more power (I liked the original 30-33 mpg and now I'm lucky to get 25 in summer highway cruising), but because the fuel-injection parts are basically unavailable (one-year FI system for less than 2100 total cars of that model). It felt like it needed a rebuild anyway right around 200k so I went to dual webber IDFs (looks like dual carbs, but is functionally 1 barrel per cylinder) and after the rebuild it went the dyno and came back at just over 125hp and 150lbs torque. Even at a reasonably-light 1 and a quarter tons this is not a straight-line car in any way. Remember even the 911s of that era were mid-to-high 7 second range to 60).

You should take your Challenger and Charger to an auto-x and see which one you like better. That would be fun. We see quite a few modern muscle-cars at events, and they've all come a long way in terms of handling (esp. the Mustang, as I mentioned above somewhere).
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Well, for what it is worth I had a set of Kumho's supposedly ultra-high-performance summer tires on my Beetle for street driving and autocross and two of them ended up with bulging sidewalls for no reason whatsoever. That was a good, I don't know, 12 years ago now I would guess but I've never considered Kumho again. Their grip also sucked, nothing close to what I was expecting and no where near as good as the UHP all-season Bridgestone Potenza Pole Positions I now have on the car.

Thanks! You’ve certainly given me some hesitance regarding Kumho.

Any other opinions on this brand?

 

[44267547]

‘Tool trial units’ rolling off the line for the GT500.

[Twisted orange]-Which the red Brembo calipers don’t pair very well with orange paint. I would prefer custom matched paint with the vehicle.

[Iconic Silver.]

https://www.mustang6g.com/2020-mustang-gt500-tool-trial-units-roll-off-the-line/

 

[Apple fanboy]

Thanks! You’ve certainly given me some hesitance regarding Kumho.

Any other opinions on this brand?

Continentals are good. Come top of many tyre review sites and test sites I checked out. Made my Golf feel safer in the wet.

 

[0388631]

Loving all the Mopar talk. We ordered the wife a 2019 Challenger GT AWD a few weeks ago. Came in Wednesday last week, much sooner than I expected. Got it in B5 Blue and basically fully loaded: Plus Package, Driver Convenience, Technology Group, Blacktop Package, Alpine Audio, and the sunroof. Didn’t get navigation, seems pointless with CarPlay. I’d like to replace my 2010 Charger SXT with a Scat Pack when hers is paid off in a few years. This car’s going to be great for winter driving though.

Haven’t even had it a week yet and already had the first clown try to get me to race at a light. Turned green and he took off in what seemed like a modified V8 Camaro from the early 2000’s. I on the other hand proceeded to accelerate like a normal person. This car draws enough attention without showing off.

That is a stunning shade of blue. Congratulations on the purchase. I'm sure your wife will enjoy driving it.
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‘Tool trial units’ rolling off the line for the GT500.

[Twisted orange]-Which the red Brembo calipers don’t pair very well with orange paint. I would prefer custom matched paint with the vehicle.

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[Iconic Silver.]

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https://www.mustang6g.com/2020-mustang-gt500-tool-trial-units-roll-off-the-line/

What is a tool trial?
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I'm in the market for new tires for my 2013 Toyota Highlander. I currently have Bridgestone tires. A local car repair shop, who I have a relationship with for good repairs, does tire replacement and they suggested Kumho Crugen HT51 All Season Tires which appear to be very reasonably priced at $171 each. I've never heard of this brand, is it Korean? Anyone who can vouch for this tire?

It seems to get decent reviews at a place like: https://www.tirebuyer.com/tires/kumho/crugen-ht51/p/style/365035#
But who knows how accurate these reviews are?

Paging tire recommender. @D.T.
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reasoning, just curious? I take my turbo S out maybe every 10 days or so. love driving it, but can't enjoy it just running around town doing errands. I also don't want to put a ton of unnecessary miles on it.

Ah, I had a feeling I knew you from other boards.
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One is in California so it only gets used when I’m there. And a visit is long overdue.

The other is here in the Twin Cities but sits in the garage. The Nissan gets me where I need to be and it’s just comfortably. I don’t drive much outside of commuting so that’s certainly a contributing factor.

And knowing the Twin Cities area, it's snowing most of the year and avoiding undercarriage rust is key.

 

[Mr Kram]

Ah, I had a feeling I knew you from other boards.

Which boards do you think? Car related would be:
6Speed
Teamspeed
M5 Boards
Benz World
Audizine
Audi World
Colorado Fans
and now OffThe Limiter, but it’s private.

Never joined, but have browsed Rennlist, Ferrari Chat and Ford Raptor Forums.

I’ve met many people across content, but they usually have the same screen name. Not sure I recognize yours. Then again, I’m getting old. LOL

 

[0388631]

Which boards do you think? Car related would be:
6Speed
Teamspeed
M5 Boards
Benz World
Audizine
Audi World
Colorado Fans
and now OffThe Limiter, but it’s private.

Never joined, but have browsed Rennlist, Ferrari Chat and Ford Raptor Forums.

I’ve met many people across content, but they usually have the same screen name. Not sure I recognize yours. Then again, I’m getting old. LOL

I don't quite remember. What I'm thinking of is years ago. I rarely post on forums nowadays. Too much drama; it's like Apple vs. PC all over again. Who knew when you throw a bunch of 40+ year old men on a forum they turn into *******s with each other?

 

[44267547]

A ‘tool trial car’ is basically a Pre-production car that is manufactured to ensure the machinery is efficiently working and operable prior to the ‘official’ units are set for production. It’s essentially like a beta car to gauge for any errors or mistakes on the assembly line prior to official approval. [Tool trial units can be used for demonstration purposes or destruction for crash tests in addition.]

 

[Mr Kram]

I don't quite remember. What I'm thinking of is years ago. I rarely post on forums nowadays. Too much drama; it's like Apple vs. PC all over again. Who knew when you throw a bunch of 40+ year old men on a forum they turn into *******s with each other?

LOL, this is why I predominantly post on the private forum. We've basically weeded out all the asshats.

 

[panjandrum]

Since we are talking cars we are considering buying. Here is the first modern car that I've seriously considered purchasing, which is, I think, a brilliantly modernized version of my dream-car, the Alpine A110 (Yeah, I like the old model better of course, but I couldn't possibly afford one of the classic ones. Or at least, not one that didn't need a complete restore, and they are vanishingly rare in NA). I started planning for that possibility as soon as I saw they were going to resurrect the brand and model. Not a small thing, as it is an extremely expensive car (in my world anyway) that would require me to sell both my current machines. Then I found out that, in what will certainly go down as one of the all-time greatest crimes against humanity, they aren't bringing it to the NA market!!! Bastards!!!

Just look at that original. And such a legacy in motorsports as well.

Nice balanced review is here. It sounds exactly like what I want out of a new car in every way (expect no stick available, but I could bend on that one in this case).

Also, Captain Slow gives a great review of it on one of the episodes of this season's Grand Tour.