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Just the two dream cars for me.

Mini Clubman
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Evo X
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Both have to be manual and black.

The EVO was and is always one of those designs that just doesn’t become dated when you look at the changes of ‘performance cars’ over the years. And completely underestimated by many for the wrong reasons. Awesome ride.
 
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Despite the 850Ci and an Aston I might add one from across the pond. Dodge Charger decked out as the General Lee of course. Not sure if it is the classic shape of the car, the American muscle car V8 engine or just Daisy Duke in those shorts..................
 

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I do notice, I think, so far no one's dream car is a Chelsea tractor! Although some of the Range Rovers are very pretty and look so comfortable. If only they were not so unreliable!
 

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Still who am I to comment I have not owned a car since 2012. Moved to Singapore and then Philippines and had no desire to drive in either country. Last car was an Audi A6 2.7 litre bi turbo. I might even add that to the list I did love that car.
 

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What is it will all the angles, fins, spoilers?? Most of what I have seen in the pics here are boy racer style pimp rides!

Hey Steve, just some advice, you should try to compile all your thoughts into one post versus four posts minutes apart. Makes it much easier to read. Just sayin’😁.

I have no idea what a ‘boy style pimp ride’ is and your post is borderline derogatory, but since I genuinely believe you have no idea what you’re talking about, I can tell you with ‘high performance’ cars are designed to reduce drag by altering the airflow by using downforce to keep the vehicle planted at higher speeds. It’s not like these engineers decided to put on an Auto-zone spoiler to make it ‘look cool’ (Or however you worded it above). There is absolute functionality of the aerodynamics behind a spoiler/rear wing for a vehicle traveling at high speeds for stability and braking.
 
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Yep sorry, was in a hurry before feeding my kids their lunch and the thoughts came out several seconds apart. My bad.

High performance cars have all those aids to reduce drag for the track at high speed. Not much use for your garage wish list and general driving unless you want track days, which maybe you do I don't know. If you don't track it is all a waste of time to be honest unless you like exceeding the legal speed limits or you live in Germany and can use the autobahn?

Not derogatory at all. Just buy a track car with all those aerodynamic aids or exceed the legal speed limit on urban roads. If not, then buy something sleek and pretty like an 850Ci or an Aston.

Don't think I said anything wrong at all to be honest.

Oh and I ate, lived and slept with cars my whole life. Engine strip downs, brake overhaul, gearbox rebuilds, bodywork and more. I know exactly what I am talking about.
 

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High performance cars have all those aids to reduce drag for the track at high speed. Not much use for your garage wish list and general driving unless you want track days, which maybe you do I don't know. If you don't track it is all a waste of time to be honest unless you like exceeding the legal speed limits or you live in Germany

Not one of those cars on others garage-list would be for ‘general driving’, those are cars ranging from $300,000 to $1M that are geared towards track use. (Which is others commented on specific for tracking). Anyone purchasing a high-end performance Porsche, McLaren, has full intent to track those cars in most situations. These aren’t leisurely drivers, but even so, if someone doesn’t track their performance car, it doesn’t make it ‘a waste of time’. Some of us are collectors (Jay Leno would be a prime example in many different performance segments), some of us do track our cars, We all have preferences of what we Drive and how we choose to Drive it. It’s Unnecessary to label what they choose regardless, And doesn’t make it a waste time either, not when the whole intent is enjoy the car for what is.

What is it will all the angles, fins, spoilers??


Oh and I ate, Engine strip downs, brake overhaul, gearbox rebuilds, bodywork and more. I know exactly what I am talking about.

I guess I’m confused, you claim that you know exactly ‘what you’re talking about’, but you don’t understand the aerodynamics of a car high end performance car? Or the purpose of a spoiler? As in, You’re questioning their existence to begin with, which I’m not entirely sure you do know what you’re talking about. I’m not questioning your mechanic/Structural background, but in terms of performance, Your comments above kind of indicate otherwise.
 
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My point exactly. Track it if you buy a car with big aerodynamic aids for high speed driving but honestly most don't.

So to my point again. If you don't want to track your car, and most don't, buy something pretty not an angular high speed track car with fins everywhere. Drive it every day and enjoy how pretty it is. Track it and pimp it, or buy something for every day use that looks pretty.

An Aston Martin just looks so good standing still without even starting the engine and a perfect addition to your house. An Aventador looks like it should be in a Formula 1 race and if it was outside your house people would just laugh.

Familiar with Jay Leno, amazing guy and yes a collector not a driver. Watch Hoovies Garage, Wizard and all the other You Tube car stuff I can't get enough.

I am a petrol (gas) head with a different point of view that is all. So shoot me.
 

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I am mortified to discover there is elitism among Jeep owners. Apparently Jeep Renegade owners(such as myself) are not seen as owning real Jeeps. Which is funny because it's Jeeps like mine that allow Fiat-Chrysler to fund the Wrangler & Gladiator.
I’ve always felt Jeeps weren’t the nicest looking of 4x4’s and quite rare on the roads here. I’m not sure if they sell the same ones in Europe though? Quite a few brands like Chrysler, Chevrolet, Dodge and Cadillac have been brought to Europe over the past 25 years and failed due to poor build quality and appallingly bad aesthetics. I’m sure they were designed simply for the European market though or there is just a different taste here.

I sat in a Jeep when browsing cars a couple of weeks back and it was awful inside. I think it was this model.
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Felt like a more plasticy Hyundai but the great thing about cars is tastes are very different.
 
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Not one of those cars on others garage-list would be for ‘general driving’, those are cars ranging from $300,000 to $1M that are geared towards track use. (Which is others commented on specific for tracking). Anyone purchasing a high-end performance Porsche, McLaren, has full intent to track those cars in most situations. These aren’t leisurely drivers, but even so, if someone doesn’t track their performance car, it doesn’t make it ‘a waste of time’. Some of us are collectors (Jay Leno would be a prime example in many different performance segments), some of us do track our cars, We all have preferences of what we Drive and how we choose to Drive it. It’s Unnecessary to label what they choose regardless, And doesn’t make it a waste time either, not when the whole intent is enjoy the car for what is.






I guess I’m confused, you claim that you know exactly ‘what you’re talking about’, but you don’t understand the aerodynamics of a car high end performance car? Or the purpose of a spoiler? As in, You’re questioning their existence to begin with, which I’m not entirely sure you do know what you’re talking about. I’m not questioning your mechanic/Structural background, but in terms of performance, Your comments above kind of indicate otherwise.

Yep understand all that. I know what a spoiler and other aerodynamic aids do at above 100mph (roughly) No use to you at all when you drive to the supermarket or the hardware store. If you track day I get it. Otherwise why would you buy a big fin crazy looking supercar? Buy something pretty that looks good in your drive way not something that looks good at 200mph which you will never do anyway.

The original question was 'what would you like in your garage'. I am just suggesting people think about it and don't choose a 200mph super car with outrageous aerodynamic styling they will never use.

Choose something pretty!
 

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Relentless Power I am done with you. Either you got out of bed the wrong side this morning or you are just looking to pick a fight and I don't understand why.

Just going to say you are right and I am wrong OK?

On the subject of track days. I tracked the 850Ci just one time. Speed limiter off due to a remap. 185mph and it felt like I was doing 35mph. Planted, stable, supercar.

Tried the same in a 325i again remap, K&N intake, custom exhaust, stage 3 engine. Should have been good for 160mph plus but I could not get there. At 130mph I seriously thought it was going to kill me. Front went really light and I lost the steering. Aerodynamically challenged. Could have used those diffusers, wings and spoilers off those super cars in the above pics!

I get it trust me.
 
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Relentless Power I am done with you. Either you got out of bed the wrong side this morning or you are just looking to pick a fight and I don't understand why.

Just going to say you are right and I am wrong OK?

Well, I only get out on one side of my bed every morning, so I’m not sure if that factors into it or not.😁

Anyways, I enjoy having discourse with members, it provokes thought, critical thinking and helps gain understanding of each other‘s mindset, and more importantly, we all learn from each other. However, you don’t need to take it personally just because someone disagreed with you or questioned your logic. I didn’t mean to upset you, I realize we all have a different interpretations of text through the Internet and they can’t be conveyed the way others may read into it. You just made some comments above that I didn’t agree with (Yes, the ‘Pimp boy ride isn’t appropriate), I called you out on your lack-there of Understanding of aerodynamics, spoilers, which I politely (And some-what thoroughly) explained to you.

I also think it’s worth noting, some of us are from different parts of the world, where maybe we look at cars differently based on what we appreciate what they have to offer, and I respect your viewpoint maybe that doesn’t match mine, and that’s Ok.

I hope this all makes sense, and I certainly appreciate your feedback, even if we both don’t agree.
 

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Takes a lot to upset me I have a wife and three daughters so you didn't even come close. Sure we can agree to disagree and sorry for the 'pimp my ride' comment.
 

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My point exactly. Track it if you buy a car with big aerodynamic aids for high speed driving but honestly most don't.

So to my point again. If you don't want to track your car, and most don't, buy something pretty not an angular high speed track car with fins everywhere. Drive it every day and enjoy how pretty it is. Track it and pimp it, or buy something for every day use that looks pretty.

An Aston Martin just looks so good standing still without even starting the engine and a perfect addition to your house. An Aventador looks like it should be in a Formula 1 race and if it was outside your house people would just laugh.

Familiar with Jay Leno, amazing guy and yes a collector not a driver. Watch Hoovies Garage, Wizard and all the other You Tube car stuff I can't get enough.

I am a petrol (gas) head with a different point of view that is all. So shoot me.
There are many Aston Martin. Some pretty most very ugly to me. And most actually also a pig to handle even when driving normally. The only current sleek one to me is the Jaguar F Type alike baby model, but even then I’d rather have an F Type opposed to the pipe and slippers image of an Aston Martin. But that is just my opinion.

I find the comment about the spoilers and other (active) aerodynamics odd. Very odd. I mean without it those cars wouldn’t be super cars. They have that for a reason and it’s functional. It’s not like a Citroen DS3 with a fake plastic diffuser added to it.

With regards to the BMW 850CI. I considered one, but ended up going for the 750i instead at the time. It just didn’t do it for me. Wasn’t luxury, wasn’t sport, found it very confused. Only a few weeks ago I saw two at a car auction in Royal Ascot. My daughters disapproving looks said it all ? I think it was one of those cars that was wow when launched. But dates within a year of its launch. Very cheap to buy as well if you want one.
 

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I think we did the aerodynamics already and I do get it above any legal speed you can do on the roads.

Love the Jag also and as you say horses for courses each to their own.

Hope the 750i was the same era as the 850Ci that was a beautiful car. Possibly the most elegant cruiser of all time. I agree the 8 series was neither sporty nor luxury but it did do it for me and still does. I will bow to your daughters opinion though!
 

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Of course we should ignore Nicasil bore lining failure on the V8, timing chain guide failure, vanos issues and more. Still BMW wasn't the only one with issues.
 

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I guess this has been done before but no harm in reviving it. What cars have you owned?

Ford Anglia 105E
Ford Escort MK2 1.3 Litre
Ford Corsair 1.7 Litre V4
Ford Granada 3.0 Litre V6
Fiat X-19
Datsun 280ZX Coupe
Lancia Beta Coupe 2.0 Litre
Lancia Beta HPE 2.0 Litre
Triumph TR7 drop top
Ford Escort MK3 1.1 Litre
Austin Maestro 1.3 Litre (wish I didn't admit to this one)
Audi 80 Sport
BMW 316i
BMW 325i
BMW 520i
BMW 850Ci
Rover 827i (with the Honda V6 and converted to run on LPG)
Jeep Grand Cherokee 4 Litre straight 6 (converted to run on LPG)
Mercedes drop top (can't remember the body style or engine sorry!)
Audi TT drop top 180bhp (not the faster 225bhp one)
Audi A6 2.7 Bi Turbo

Not a very impressive list but quite diverse.
 

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I guess this has been done before but no harm in reviving it. What cars have you owned?

Ford Anglia 105E
Ford Escort MK2 1.3 Litre
Ford Corsair 1.7 Litre V4
Ford Granada 3.0 Litre V6
Fiat X-19
Datsun 280ZX Coupe
Lancia Beta Coupe 2.0 Litre
Lancia Beta HPE 2.0 Litre
Triumph TR7 drop top
Ford Escort MK3 1.1 Litre
Austin Maestro 1.3 Litre (wish I didn't admit to this one)
Audi 80 Sport
BMW 316i
BMW 325i
BMW 520i
BMW 850Ci
Rover 827i (with the Honda V6 and converted to run on LPG)
Jeep Grand Cherokee 4 Litre straight 6 (converted to run on LPG)
Mercedes drop top (can't remember the body style or engine sorry!)
Audi TT drop top 180bhp (not the faster 225bhp one)
Audi A6 2.7 Bi Turbo

Not a very impressive list but quite diverse.
No offence, but there are some dogs in there! I had a Mk3 Escort 1.1. It was awful. I wrote it off as a teenager. Did it up and sold it on. Half the body was filler when I got rid of it!
 

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No love for a Mini Cooper then? I love the look of the classic mini, but not that practical for me! A car ahead of its time.
Great little cars to drive. A friend of mine owned one and I put it upside down in a ditch when we were 17. Took it out for a spin and I hadn’t even passed my test! Luckily it was country lanes and all I got was a bollocking from his Dad :p
 
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As car people, I'm betting everyone here has a dream garage in mind. Like, budget-be-damned, what would you most wanna see in your garage each morning? Say there's a limit of 6 cars, something any decently-sized mansion could host ? ....what do you have?

I've driven a 930 slant nose, quite a few Lotus ((Lotii ? :D), and a buddy of mine had an F355, then later an F360 Challenge car, this is us at Roebling (with his F355, I thought for sure I had a pic of the 360 ...), my Supra (wife's Z3, not tracked)


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Of course, my little Toyota in the fastest car in the photo :D

Another one from that event (wow, that was a while ago now ...)



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No love for a Mini Cooper then? I love the look of the classic mini, but not that practical for me! A car ahead of its time.

Oh don't get me wrong, I do love a genuine Cooper. But the Clubman has got such a nice face lol. Just would feel a bit different to most Mini's, as lots are clones of Coopers.
 
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The EVO was and is always one of those designs that just doesn’t become dated when you look at the changes of ‘performance cars’ over the years. And completely underestimated by many for the wrong reasons. Awesome ride.

Yeah it's a beautiful car, plus practical. Were I a lottery winner I could have a few dogs in the back lol.
 

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Of course we should ignore Nicasil bore lining failure on the V8, timing chain guide failure, vanos issues and more. Still BMW wasn't the only one with issues.
I was “lucky” as on my 740i (Alpine) after my 750i I never had that Nicasil issue. I knew more people fearing it than people who actually had the issue. Similar stories for Porsche, including the much more recent Panameras.

Timing Chain Guide is also an “expected” issue on the Jaguar Land Rover 5.0 Supercharged engine. Got to say that so far I’m lucky ☺️

Saying that one of my tyres went flat today. Luckily it was on the ****** Chinese tyres and I had mine already booked in to get switched to Pirelli Scorpion Verde All Season 275/40R22. Phew.
 
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