Hence I acknowledged that upto say 30mph that may be the case. But I think you are severely underestimating how quickly modern ICE cars like the ones I've mentioned are in their powerband. That turbo Santa Fe is not representative at all and decidedly sluggish and old school.
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Brakes and skid pad are huge, all the speed in the mindless straights doesn’t mean squat when you’re dealing with a car that weighs more than a F150 going into and working through the corners
But lots of people view “fast” in a smooth brain slam diabetes foot on little pedal and see how fast they go straight ahead 😂
My 2.0TDi sits quite comfortably at 70 mph and I tend to employ a reserved mentality towards people trying to race me in their self perceived phallic extensions. A bit of speed off the line can be useful when driving an EV to correct lane mistakes or to zip around someone quickly on the motorway, but I’ve never been into performance cars apart from watching them on racetracks. I go for comfort and practicality over performance when buying a car and always have.
Which is fine and your prerogative. As long as you aren't a lane hogger nobody minds or cares.
I think that EVs have elevated the performance bar for lower and mid performance vehicles but most will still trail ICEVs on the higher end. What this means that that way more people will have access to a fast vehicle than ever before but that traditional enthusiasts may still choose an ICEV. The gap between slowest and fasts still exists but has gotten narrower.
Uhhhh you have a cock (chicken) as your profile photo, and as someone who has plenty of cars and …well, yeah two very different subjects, and trust me no one with a performance car is trying to race someone with a diesel Jetta 😂
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Yup, perception is everything. My mother-in-law finds her Kia nippy, as in fast. When I drive it to help her service it etc I am making Fred Flintstone leg movement to move it along a bit
But yes, the instant torque plays mind tricks on people, can be pretty dangerous at times when they think they are the fasted thing around, especially in countries where lane hogging is quite prevalent like the UK.
Uhhhh you have a cock (chicken) as your profile photo, and as someone who has plenty of cars and …well, yeah two very different subjects, and trust me no one with a performance car is trying to race someone with a diesel Jetta
I don’t.
I can’t comment on Jetta owners, but believe me, a Halfords kitted Corsa/Fiesta is often trying to race other cars on the road here in the UK.
There are actually some seriously quick Corsas or Fiestas. You seem to be living in the past with your comment about a halford kitted vehicle. But also clearly spoken like someone who actually never been in let alone owned a fast car as you know. They is always someone faster than you. So just adhere to the Highway Code, move when unless overtaking, and worry less about others but focus on yourself.
I never had huge amounts of money but was privileged to own some reasonably nice cars. 0-60 never really interested me I was always a torque fan. Brutal torque.
I don't condone any of this by the way now I am older.
I owned an E36 325i which I did some work on. ECU remap, cold air intake, exhaust, wheels and tyres. Typical boy racer stuff I guess. On an uphill stretch of road a mile long I just about managed to keep up with a guy in a beat up 1960's American car. Still not sure what it was but had to be a V8 under the hood.
I took the E36 on the motorway one morning early with no one around to see what it might do. If I recall correctly the top speed was supposed to be 143mph but I had modified it. Never got close. at 120mph the front end went so light I was losing control of the steering and backed off.
Later in life I had the privilege to own a BMW E31 850i with the V12 engine. I didn't modify that at all. Took it out early one morning on the motorway and hit the rev limiter at 155mph. It was rock solid, handled beautifully.
The difference between a super car and a car that was potentially fast but dangerous.
Neither car was much good at 0-60 which like I say I was not that interested in but the V12 was way more fun than the straight 6.
In the same vein I always preferred a supercharger to a turbo. Just less frantic and more torque.
I don't condone any of this by the way now I am older.
I owned an E36 325i which I did some work on. ECU remap, cold air intake, exhaust, wheels and tyres. Typical boy racer stuff I guess. On an uphill stretch of road a mile long I just about managed to keep up with a guy in a beat up 1960's American car. Still not sure what it was but had to be a V8 under the hood.
I took the E36 on the motorway one morning early with no one around to see what it might do. If I recall correctly the top speed was supposed to be 143mph but I had modified it. Never got close. at 120mph the front end went so light I was losing control of the steering and backed off.
Later in life I had the privilege to own a BMW E31 850i with the V12 engine. I didn't modify that at all. Took it out early one morning on the motorway and hit the rev limiter at 155mph. It was rock solid, handled beautifully.
The difference between a super car and a car that was potentially fast but dangerous.
Neither car was much good at 0-60 which like I say I was not that interested in but the V12 was way more fun than the straight 6.
In the same vein I always preferred a supercharger to a turbo. Just less frantic and more torque.
Many years ago on a Sunday morning I walked past a used car dealer which was unfortunately closed. They had a Lancia Beta Coupe on the forecourt priced as what they thought it was.
However, they got it sooooo wrong it was a supercharged VX coupe. By the time I managed to get through on the phone Monday morning they had received 50 calls for the car and it was gone. uugghhhh
However, they got it sooooo wrong it was a supercharged VX coupe. By the time I managed to get through on the phone Monday morning they had received 50 calls for the car and it was gone. uugghhhh
I drive a Miata and I love it. It’s small, low to the ground, sort of impractical and not very fast. But is so much fun, it like drives go cart instead of car. Handling is wonderful and you get all the fun while staying legal (and within the speed limits).
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The question is can you have both? Blistering 0-60, amazing handling with torque that will make the earth rotate in the opposite direction.
You manage to stay within the speed limit? Impressive!
Absolutely, how does a 750Kg car with 500Bhp and 640Nm torque sound?
Naturally, it is horses for courses. Driving such a thing daily is absolutely knackering. Give me a full fat Range Rover with a supercharged V8 any day for that purpose, or even better if they did an EV version. Me, too, had the pleasure of that 5.0 V12 (which was effectively 2 of the six straights together as you can buy the parts x2 opposed to paying the v12 tax from BMW) it was nice and pleasant but by today's standards, rather sedate and slow.
Sure. They are called EV’s. The low centre of gravity with the battery at the bottom rather than up front makes for a great handling car.
Well, that is one part of a great handling car. Reduction of weight is another, and that is where EV's fall down for at least the next 5 years. And then there is a lot more to creating a good chassis. A few EVs may have the acceleration in a straight line, but there is a heck of a lot more to performance than straight line acceleration.
I second that, definitely the most effortless driving experience I’ve had, such a smooth ride. My daily is a manual and sitting in 60 mins of start stop traffic every day is such a chore compared to my wife’s EV. Feels solid when cornering and the instant torque is handy.
Indeed they are a fun drive as well as a green one.
I could never go back to buying an ICE vehicle. Just feels so dated when I drive my wife’s car.
It doesn't have to be like that for ICE cars, sure we've got an EV as well, and I really like it. But we also have excellent ICE cars. You just need to get a better ICE car, often they are way cheaper as well…
Modern dual clutch gearboxes are always in the right gear and have the right up/down shift ready. Combine that with ultra-efficient turbocharged petrol engine cars with multiple turbo stages for near instant power availability, or even better, a supercharger.
Considering the capital acquisition costs is as good as always less, it is making at the moment not that much economic sense unless you also invest in smart chargers that can get to use limited off-peak period, or have tax-payer/employer sponsored temporary free at the point of use charging.
Either way, costs aside, you simply haven't had a decent ICE car if you think your BMW i3 is the best and makes others feel dated…
I still find some ICE fun to drive but appreciate EV’s for the comfort element. I’ve driven a few very fast cars in my time and you can’t beat the sound of a V8 underneath you. Not ruling out an M3 or an RS4 before electric becomes the norm, but love driving my wife’s Q4 for the quick acceleration and ease. An EV would certainly make my daily commute a lot less taxing, that’s for sure.
Depends on what you drive, but the electrics are very overweight in the corners and brakes
With my style of driving, even not going very far I get a hair over a day on a full charge
My car weighs 1340 kg’s. So pretty lightweight thanks to carbon fibre and aluminium construction.
Weighs less than my old petrol golf. Handles better too.
I charge once to twice a week.