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GPU degradation...? Seriously? It's a non-moving part made out of stuff too small to see in a normal microscope! It doesn't break, it gets swapped out due to harder, better, faster, stronger stuff!
I don't think you understand how this works. Just because it's a non-moving part doesn't mean it can't break. My original PlayStation 3 broke because of a defect in the GPU - which is on the motherboard - which is solid state. Even SSDs are rated for a finite number of read/write cycles before they begin to deteriorate.

And if you're not referring to parts failure as the problem, some of us like to use our computers for more than two years before upgrading.
 
Parts that have manufacturing problems might degrade, that's true. But that's due to the problems, not because that's something that just happens to GPUs.
 
Parts that have manufacturing problems might degrade, that's true. But that's due to the problems, not because that's something that just happens to GPUs.
Yes, it's a known problem, which is what lympero and I were referring to. But to answer your original question of why it would not last as long, any time you increase complexity in any system of parts, you have a higher chance of failure. It's just a statistical inevitability.
 
Yes, it's a known problem, which is what lympero and I were referring to. But to answer your original question of why it would not last as long, any time you increase complexity in any system of parts, you have a higher chance of failure. It's just a statistical inevitability.
Yes, when those parts move!
 
I don't know how I can make this any clearer. Just because something doesn't move, doesn't mean it can't break.
Of course it doesn't. And that wasn't my point. My point was that a solid state part such as the GPU or CPU is pretty much immune from "failing". You can certainly destroy it, and obviously a design error or an error in production will always create problems, but if you make a CPU today, put it in a controlled environment and leave it alone for a few hundred years, there is no reason it should break.

And no, it doesn't get more likely that it should break the more "complicated" the design of it is. In fact, since the 50's microchips have become a WHOLE LOT more complicated, and they fail a lot less since the production has gotten so much better. That isn't to say that it becomes safer the more complicated they become, of course.
 
Of course it doesn't. And that wasn't my point. My point was that a solid state part such as the GPU or CPU is pretty much immune from "failing". You can certainly destroy it, and obviously a design error or an error in production will always create problems, but if you make a CPU today, put it in a controlled environment and leave it alone for a few hundred years, there is no reason it should break.

And no, it doesn't get more likely that it should break the more "complicated" the design of it is. In fact, since the 50's microchips have become a WHOLE LOT more complicated, and they fail a lot less since the production has gotten so much better. That isn't to say that it becomes safer the more complicated they become, of course.

Changes in the power flowing through a solid-state part lead to temperature changes. Temperature changes lead to expansion and contraction. Repeated cycles of expansion and contraction lead to breakage. Thus, solid-state parts are prone to failure over time.
 
Changes in the power flowing through a solid-state part lead to temperature changes. Temperature changes lead to expansion and contraction. Repeated cycles of expansion and contraction lead to breakage. Thus, solid-state parts are prone to failure over time.
Gee, you'd think they would learn to build solid-state parts that can handle those temperature changes! Oh wait, they did. In the sixties and seventies.
 
Gave up on waiting and bought mbpr 13 256gb model from BB.
I am a dillema
should i just wait for the new macbook pro 15 or get an iMac.
I do not really care about portability tbh since the laptop/imac will always stay at home. I currently have a mac 13 but its rally old and its not much time left imo.
 
how much? should have waited for the new one.

Some of us don't have the luxury of waiting. My Late'08 MBP was dying a slow death and I couldn't have the machine give up the ghost in the middle of a photo shoot. I ended up buying a refurbished '15 MBP 2.8/512/16 for $2388 including tax.
 
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Has anyone seen the new MacRumors video about the MacBook Pro? Probably the MOST informative out there! /s
 
I am a dillema
should i just wait for the new macbook pro 15 or get an iMac.
I do not really care about portability tbh since the laptop/imac will always stay at home. I currently have a mac 13 but its rally old and its not much time left imo.
Macs are also being updated in October: you wait either way. Welcome to macrumors!
 
Buy the machine you can afford when you need it. I doubt most users will notice the difference between generations of processor in the past few years as they are all competent.
In this day and age there will always be something around the corner for example, iPhone 7 was months away from the shelves and all you can see is
Sky lake, Kaby lake, deep as lake it doesn't matter. As long as the kit does everything YOU need it to do well then who among us will notice that 100th of a second of speed difference.

Seems it's as much about having the latest and greatest rather than needing to use everything it can offer.

I bought An iMac and the top spec MBP 13 November last year. Although I use it for business it is overkill but I had to have the best that was on offer.
In reality a 12 MB would probably meet my needs without much compromise and if need be I can monitor up when in the office.
Hard not to be a victim to the latest and greatest lol
 
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So after only a year with my Dell Laptop, I'm ready to move into the Apple universe and get a MacBook. Unfortunately, I don't have the money to just flat out buy a new Retina when they release in the upcoming weeks / months, so I was browsing ebay and came across a seller who has the early / late 2011 13", and 2012 13" MacBook Pro's in "A" quality.

Including the SSD I purchased, my Dell Laptop cost me roughly $570. Ebay sellers seem to price the same machine, also used, for $400-500. Assuming I keep the SSD in there, and include the 1TB HDD that came with it, I hope to get at least 500 for it.

If I sell it for $500, then purchase the late 2011 13" MacBook Pro + 16GB RAM (from Amazon) for $560, I'd basically spend a net of $60 to upgrade to, what seems to me, a much better machine.

My dell is pretty crappy, flimsy, and not worth what I spent despite it being really cheap. I'd much rather have a MacBook, but I was wondering what others here thought about this. I'd be losing some CPU and internal GPU power, but since I only do some coding for CS courses, and web-browsing, I don't see it as much a loss, especially since the MacBook Pro is a much more robust laptop.

Essentially, I'd be going from:

i5 5200U / HD5500
8GB RAM
120GB SSD

to

i5 2435M / HD3000
16GB RAM
250GB SSD (I have a spare)
 
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So after only a year with my Dell Laptop, I'm ready to move into the Apple universe and get a MacBook. Unfortunately, I don't have the money to just flat out buy a new Retina when they release in the upcoming weeks / months, so I was browsing ebay and came across a seller who has the early / late 2011 13", and 2012 13" MacBook Pro's in "A" quality.

Including the SSD I purchased, my Dell Laptop cost me roughly $570. Ebay sellers seem to price the same machine, also used, for $400-500. Assuming I keep the SSD in there, and include the 1TB HDD that came with it, I hope to get at least 500 for it.

If I sell it for $500, then purchase the late 2011 13" MacBook Pro + 16GB RAM (from Amazon) for $560, I'd basically spend a net of $60 to upgrade to, what seems to me, a much better machine.

My dell is pretty crappy, flimsy, and not worth what I spent despite it being really cheap. I'd much rather have a MacBook, but I was wondering what others here thought about this. I'd be losing some CPU and internal GPU power, but since I only do some coding for CS courses, and web-browsing, I don't see it as much a loss, especially since the MacBook Pro is a much more robust laptop.

Essentially, I'd be going from:

i5 5200U / HD5500
8GB RAM
120GB SSD

to

i5 2435M / HD3000
16GB RAM
250GB SSD (I have a spare)

The 2011 and 2012 MBP's are good machines, It's ultimately up to your needs. My side jobs require me to use Windows. So I pack two Lenovo Thinkpad's around, one with an i5 5200U and one with an i7 2640M. I have a 2012 MBP with the Core i5 and i'll be honest the 5200U stays a lot cooler than my MBP and i7 Thinkpad. And remember the screen on the 13" MBP's of that time were 1280x800.
 
After almost a full year waiting on an updated MBPr, I found a great deal on ebay and made the leap.

I got a used MBPr 13' 2015 (force touch) top of the line: I7, 16gb RAM, 512gb SSD with 30 charge cycles, mint condition and 5 months remaining warranty for £1150. I believe it was a good deal and I figure it will last me at least 4 years.

Since it's my first mac, do you guys think it would be wise to buy an extended warranty from Apple? Is it worth it?
 
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