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Hrm. Okay - will do. Appreciate it. Just picked up the refurb and is still within the 14 days... will bring it in and see what they say. If it's not a quick fix might just return it as I'm going away for a month and would be out of window.... sigh.
You could download an app like this one to see what speed the fans are actually running at. You might just have super-good hearing.
[doublepost=1492190027][/doublepost]Decided I should have gone with the 15" all along (I've had the 13" since they came out).

So I just sold my 13" and ordered this bad boy!

Excited.

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How are delivery speeds at the moment? Are they arriving before the estimated window at all? At launch they were arriving towards the end of the estimate.
 
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You could download an app like this one to see what speed the fans are actually running at. You might just have super-good hearing.
[doublepost=1492190027][/doublepost]Decided I should have gone with the 15" all along (I've had the 13" since they came out).

So I just sold my 13" and ordered this bad boy!

Excited.

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How are delivery speeds at the moment? Are they arriving before the estimated window at all? At launch they were arriving towards the end of the estimate.

Grats on the purchase!

Yeah I did.. downloaded the app and all the fans are spinning at target rates. IDK if it's a superhearing thing.... I've never had very good hearing to begin with haha. Ugh. Kind of frustrating.. don't know if I want to go through the hassle but also don't want to be stuck with a less-than-perfect version out the box. Will bring it in at some point...
 
Does anyone care about my review of the 2016 MacBook Pro 13"? I put it in another forum, but it's probably more appropriate here.

I'm typing this on the brand spanking new MacBook Pro 13". I'm getting to test it out for work. One of the things I do is support JAMF, and we'll be prepping it for Sierra imaging/upgrading throughout the organization. We ordered a couple of the new MBPros to have a native Sierra build to test off. We have several engineers, and especially some executives, who are fans of Mac. So even though some of the back-end IT guys roll their eyes and wish we wouldn't have to support Macs, it's still a going concern and my job.

The machine is a joy to hold and look at. The metal is perfectly balanced, and ergonomically a joy to put on a surface and use as a work device. The screen is not as dense in pixels as the new Windows QHD screens, but it somehow looks absolutely perfect to my eyes. The nice Dell XPS and Lenovo machines have great screens, but somehow looking at them I feel like I see those QHD screens are palpably behind glass, and reflect light as such. The highest compliment I can give to Apple is that this screen is the most beautiful I've ever seen.

The new flatter, spread-out keyboard is perfectly comfortable to me. If this a design which they believe will reduce typos, I can get behind it. I know it has annoyed some people. I really don't have a strong opinion beyond that.

I was excited to try out the larger trackpad. I don't feel much difference. I was also interested in trying out the touchbar. In both cases, my thoughts were immediately, oh, that's neat… and now I'm over it.

We already had the VP of the company—and a die-hard Mac lover who insists on using Apple stuff himself—come over and look and say "nope, we're not ordering those. They're too expensive for what they are. The number of dongles we'd have to order is too much, and they aren't plentiful enough."

I'm glad. I hope there is the back-end push against Apple to get a few things in line.

We ordered USB-C dongles, but they're few and far between, and other than the Apple stuff, much of the real solutions are back-ordered or still vapor-ware. So this machine has four USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, but I am using an Apple dongle with USB-C / USB-A / HDMI ports on it.

So to connect this up to the work ethernet (it's not on the domain, so I can't download a certificate for WiFi to it), I have to attach a USB-A -> Ethernet adapter to the USB-C adapter. If I needed to use another USB device, I'd either need more dongles, or to daisy-chain a USB hub to existing dongle, and maybe then put the USB-A ethernet dongle to that dongled hub.

The amount of daisy-chaining is kind of ridiculous. I thought we didn't think we'd have to do this any more after SCSI went away.

==

I'm not enthusiastic about touch-screens. I hate touching my screen, or anyone touching my screen. I also happen to be a snob about the fact that a screen with an interface for touching, like the iOS home screen, is configured differently than a desktop metaphor, in which tiny things for artwork or copy are much too precise to be manipulated by fat fingers. But I've used touchscreens on Windows machines, and moving windows around or scrolling, I'll admit, is not merely a gimmick, but useful.

I'm thinking with the touchbar that Apple is going out of their way to not be a touch-OS. I am holding judgement on it for now. I used the fingerprint ID and I agree it's a necessary addition to the line-up. But the fact that things like my ESC key go away at times? That worries me a little.

Apple opted for the software keyboard on iOS to allow it to be changed dynamically with the needs of the software. I was thinking that in a similar way, a "touchbar" could just be a floating palette on the bottom of a touchscreen application, anyway, and essentially be just as configurable as this implementation.

If the touchbar were truly more economical, I'd understand it. But it already adds $300 to the base price, which is around what the extra price for a QHD touchscreen is for PC models. It may be that Apple still finds this economical, and their mark-up is just very high. That's all very well, but they'll be judged on their output here, not their internal margins.

I'm not saying it's a bust. I got into the terminal, and it actually has instant access to man pages from the touchbar as I type, which is kind of interesting. I can see that this has potential. And they did think this through, because the touchbar is at a great angle just between my fingers and the screen, where it is intuitive to choose some useful shortcut commands. I'm just saying that for everything about it that seems cool, I could imagine it could easily have been implemented with a touchscreen, anyway. I'm not saying I want them to do it that way, either, but it might have been a "good enough" solution that will be implemented by touch-screen PCs in imitation that could more widely adopted. Even if I loved the touchbar, if it were just a software implementation on the bottom of a touchscreen, I think I'd be fine with it.

Obviously, if this is now a thing, Apple would have to face continuing to implement this across the line, or make a decision to fragment their interface. Unless we consistently see the touchbar in external keyboards or third-party keyboards. And that seems like a lot to expect.

As configured, this laptop is at least $2100 with 16GB of memory. (That's the cost without counting applecare or fistfulls of dongles.) Lenovo's X1 Carbon and Dell's XPS both are expensive, but awesome machines that still come just under that. So good equipment is competitive, and the Mac is still a premium cost.

So the Macs are still Skylake, but have a max of 16GB of DDR3. The new Dells are Kaby Lake, but max out at 8GB. Between the two, I'd still rather have more memory than the newer chip based on how I work.

The key thing is, I don't think Windows and MacOS have ever both been as close in user experience. They both have similar "flat" interfaces. They both incorporate touch, exposé, app stores, spoken assistants, recovery partitions, the same Intel chips, integrate the same cloud apps, run most of the same important third-party apps, mainly are trying to route their customer base to service/subscription models for their soft products, and both are converging on using things like USB-C on the hardware side.

MacOS has ****** window snapping, and Windows still doesn't have a tiled file explorer. But both of them are only an update (or third-party utility) from having them and converging even more so.

\\\

I like the direction of where USB-C is going. I even am fine with it only being USB-C to keep it thin and consistent. I hate seeing mag-safe go. (I'm fine with the smug, glowing Apple logo going away.) If they're serious about one port to rule them all, I'm snorting the dry kool-aid powder and I'd say it's worth it to make a push for USB-C. However, at the cost that it is, I wish that Apple would at least have included, say, a pass-through USB-C hub with two USB-A ports and a TB2/MDP port with the pro machine, just to say to the user base, "hey, we understand you probably invested heavily in these form factors we adopted for many years." My dongle with one USB-A port feels a little bit like holding back just enough to frustrate me.

Hell, they kept Firewire 400 and 800 ports on their machines for several iterations. And it made sense. Lots of good audio gear was FireWire 400. And I knew photographers who said they might be the only people who use FW 800, but they depended on it. Apple stopped putting Firewire on their machines in 2012 as they adopted USB-3 as I recall.

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And in the course of typing this email, my palm has gone over the trackpad and flung my cursor far and wide. Three times by my count. Not perfect. I have to say I love, love, love, my Magic Trackpad 2, but this larger trackpad makes me shrug. If they lost a few centimeters on it to keep the physical function keys along with the touchbar, I would prefer it.

\\\

I'm thinking about purchasing computers for home use for music and video editing. I'm naturally inclined toward a Mac. I also like development, and I'm always going to be running virtual machines in VMWare or VirtualBox. (Or HyperV. Ugh) I am wary of the touchbar and wonder what Apple's plan is, here. As ever, I'm a little wary of what exactly Apple is doing with their Mac line-up.

I haven't run a VM on it, yet, but when the keys are captured by, say, CentOS, will I continue to have my ESC and F2 keys in Linux, which are absolutely necessary? That alone could certainly be a dealbreaker for a dedicated developer.

Like my organization, which ordinarily spends millions on Apple gear every year, I want to see a little more out of Apple before I would spend my own money. The USB-C works really well, and, while I sigh a little forlorn, I will say: no mag-safe, no cry.
 
Does anyone care about my review of the 2016 MacBook Pro 13"? I put it in another forum, but it's probably more appropriate here.

I'm typing this on the brand spanking new MacBook Pro 13". I'm getting to test it out for work. One of the things I do is support JAMF, and we'll be prepping it for Sierra imaging/upgrading throughout the organization. We ordered a couple of the new MBPros to have a native Sierra build to test off. We have several engineers, and especially some executives, who are fans of Mac. So even though some of the back-end IT guys roll their eyes and wish we wouldn't have to support Macs, it's still a going concern and my job.

The machine is a joy to hold and look at. The metal is perfectly balanced, and ergonomically a joy to put on a surface and use as a work device. The screen is not as dense in pixels as the new Windows QHD screens, but it somehow looks absolutely perfect to my eyes. The nice Dell XPS and Lenovo machines have great screens, but somehow looking at them I feel like I see those QHD screens are palpably behind glass, and reflect light as such. The highest compliment I can give to Apple is that this screen is the most beautiful I've ever seen.

The new flatter, spread-out keyboard is perfectly comfortable to me. If this a design which they believe will reduce typos, I can get behind it. I know it has annoyed some people. I really don't have a strong opinion beyond that.

I was excited to try out the larger trackpad. I don't feel much difference. I was also interested in trying out the touchbar. In both cases, my thoughts were immediately, oh, that's neat… and now I'm over it.

We already had the VP of the company—and a die-hard Mac lover who insists on using Apple stuff himself—come over and look and say "nope, we're not ordering those. They're too expensive for what they are. The number of dongles we'd have to order is too much, and they aren't plentiful enough."

I'm glad. I hope there is the back-end push against Apple to get a few things in line.

We ordered USB-C dongles, but they're few and far between, and other than the Apple stuff, much of the real solutions are back-ordered or still vapor-ware. So this machine has four USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, but I am using an Apple dongle with USB-C / USB-A / HDMI ports on it.

So to connect this up to the work ethernet (it's not on the domain, so I can't download a certificate for WiFi to it), I have to attach a USB-A -> Ethernet adapter to the USB-C adapter. If I needed to use another USB device, I'd either need more dongles, or to daisy-chain a USB hub to existing dongle, and maybe then put the USB-A ethernet dongle to that dongled hub.

The amount of daisy-chaining is kind of ridiculous. I thought we didn't think we'd have to do this any more after SCSI went away.

==

I'm not enthusiastic about touch-screens. I hate touching my screen, or anyone touching my screen. I also happen to be a snob about the fact that a screen with an interface for touching, like the iOS home screen, is configured differently than a desktop metaphor, in which tiny things for artwork or copy are much too precise to be manipulated by fat fingers. But I've used touchscreens on Windows machines, and moving windows around or scrolling, I'll admit, is not merely a gimmick, but useful.

I'm thinking with the touchbar that Apple is going out of their way to not be a touch-OS. I am holding judgement on it for now. I used the fingerprint ID and I agree it's a necessary addition to the line-up. But the fact that things like my ESC key go away at times? That worries me a little.

Apple opted for the software keyboard on iOS to allow it to be changed dynamically with the needs of the software. I was thinking that in a similar way, a "touchbar" could just be a floating palette on the bottom of a touchscreen application, anyway, and essentially be just as configurable as this implementation.

If the touchbar were truly more economical, I'd understand it. But it already adds $300 to the base price, which is around what the extra price for a QHD touchscreen is for PC models. It may be that Apple still finds this economical, and their mark-up is just very high. That's all very well, but they'll be judged on their output here, not their internal margins.

I'm not saying it's a bust. I got into the terminal, and it actually has instant access to man pages from the touchbar as I type, which is kind of interesting. I can see that this has potential. And they did think this through, because the touchbar is at a great angle just between my fingers and the screen, where it is intuitive to choose some useful shortcut commands. I'm just saying that for everything about it that seems cool, I could imagine it could easily have been implemented with a touchscreen, anyway. I'm not saying I want them to do it that way, either, but it might have been a "good enough" solution that will be implemented by touch-screen PCs in imitation that could more widely adopted. Even if I loved the touchbar, if it were just a software implementation on the bottom of a touchscreen, I think I'd be fine with it.

Obviously, if this is now a thing, Apple would have to face continuing to implement this across the line, or make a decision to fragment their interface. Unless we consistently see the touchbar in external keyboards or third-party keyboards. And that seems like a lot to expect.

As configured, this laptop is at least $2100 with 16GB of memory. (That's the cost without counting applecare or fistfulls of dongles.) Lenovo's X1 Carbon and Dell's XPS both are expensive, but awesome machines that still come just under that. So good equipment is competitive, and the Mac is still a premium cost.

So the Macs are still Skylake, but have a max of 16GB of DDR3. The new Dells are Kaby Lake, but max out at 8GB. Between the two, I'd still rather have more memory than the newer chip based on how I work.

The key thing is, I don't think Windows and MacOS have ever both been as close in user experience. They both have similar "flat" interfaces. They both incorporate touch, exposé, app stores, spoken assistants, recovery partitions, the same Intel chips, integrate the same cloud apps, run most of the same important third-party apps, mainly are trying to route their customer base to service/subscription models for their soft products, and both are converging on using things like USB-C on the hardware side.

MacOS has ****** window snapping, and Windows still doesn't have a tiled file explorer. But both of them are only an update (or third-party utility) from having them and converging even more so.

\\\

I like the direction of where USB-C is going. I even am fine with it only being USB-C to keep it thin and consistent. I hate seeing mag-safe go. (I'm fine with the smug, glowing Apple logo going away.) If they're serious about one port to rule them all, I'm snorting the dry kool-aid powder and I'd say it's worth it to make a push for USB-C. However, at the cost that it is, I wish that Apple would at least have included, say, a pass-through USB-C hub with two USB-A ports and a TB2/MDP port with the pro machine, just to say to the user base, "hey, we understand you probably invested heavily in these form factors we adopted for many years." My dongle with one USB-A port feels a little bit like holding back just enough to frustrate me.

Hell, they kept Firewire 400 and 800 ports on their machines for several iterations. And it made sense. Lots of good audio gear was FireWire 400. And I knew photographers who said they might be the only people who use FW 800, but they depended on it. Apple stopped putting Firewire on their machines in 2012 as they adopted USB-3 as I recall.

///

And in the course of typing this email, my palm has gone over the trackpad and flung my cursor far and wide. Three times by my count. Not perfect. I have to say I love, love, love, my Magic Trackpad 2, but this larger trackpad makes me shrug. If they lost a few centimeters on it to keep the physical function keys along with the touchbar, I would prefer it.

\\\

I'm thinking about purchasing computers for home use for music and video editing. I'm naturally inclined toward a Mac. I also like development, and I'm always going to be running virtual machines in VMWare or VirtualBox. (Or HyperV. Ugh) I am wary of the touchbar and wonder what Apple's plan is, here. As ever, I'm a little wary of what exactly Apple is doing with their Mac line-up.

I haven't run a VM on it, yet, but when the keys are captured by, say, CentOS, will I continue to have my ESC and F2 keys in Linux, which are absolutely necessary? That alone could certainly be a dealbreaker for a dedicated developer.

Like my organization, which ordinarily spends millions on Apple gear every year, I want to see a little more out of Apple before I would spend my own money. The USB-C works really well, and, while I sigh a little forlorn, I will say: no mag-safe, no cry.
Ha, really, just start a new thread. Be bold! It's a thoughtful overview, and it will get lost here.
 
Ha, really, just start a new thread. Be bold! It's a thoughtful overview, and it will get lost here.

Well, thanks. I have no idea if anyone cares what I think. The thread already is popular enough. This actually is taken from a letter I wrote to a friend. But I realized I may as well share it more widely.
 
Well, thanks. I have no idea if anyone cares what I think. The thread already is popular enough. This actually is taken from a letter I wrote to a friend. But I realized I may as well share it more widely.
Well, since your remarks will languish in obscurity here instead of receiving the bright light of their own thread, I may as well respond a little here.

A touch screen is useful, but since it marks up the screen, I don't like it either. I think Apple feels the same way, or figures most of its customer base does. The touch bar is Apple's compromise, touchy, but not on that beautiful screen. I don't know how much it costs Apple, but it doesn't add $300 to the price. There are other improvements included in the upgrade from non-TB to TB, including a better CPU and two more ports.

The esc key doesn't really go away, it just goes to sleep. If you touch the touch bar (or click the trackpad or a key), it will be there. You can set the touch bar to always show the function keys when active, but it will still go to sleep. This is undoubtedly to avoid burn in.

You can get a USB-C to ethernet adapter, no need for the daisy-chaining if you don't like it.

Didn't know the XPS 13" was limited to 8 GB RAM. Odd, considering they go up to 32 for the 15".

I prefer the non-Apple USB-C to USB-A adapters that are small and cheap enough to just leave on the ends of the cables. So I'm glad I didn't have to buy (as it were) a bulkier Apple one when I bought my MBP.

If you keep having trouble with the trackpad, try disabling tap to click. That way nothing bad will happen if the cursor moves.

Video editing with Final Cut Pro on a Mac is very zippy, but if you're going to do 4K or use Premiere, you might rather have a 15" with a dGPU than the 13.
 
I think you're correct on the XPS being able to be fitted with 16 GB of RAM. They don't make it obvious for order, but it can be done.

As it is, all I can confirm is that indeed Enterprise purchasers are not happy with this iteration. I like them, but they may be considered not quite as ready. I certainly don't see any possibility that Apple will backtrack on the form factor and include models with legacy ports.

Regarding the $300 upsell, you are correct that it's not entirely for the touchbar. But Apple seems to want to push their base to the touchbar, simply because if you max out the MBP with and without the touchbar, you can get the same memory/ssd size for $2100, but not the same Intel chip.

As it is, I won't be buying something right away. I'm using my personal Thinkpad x220 with MintOS on it and it's still going strong.
 
Regarding the $300 upsell, you are correct that it's not entirely for the touchbar. But Apple seems to want to push their base to the touchbar, simply because if you max out the MBP with and without the touchbar, you can get the same memory/ssd size for $2100, but not the same Intel chip.
It does seem Apple may be taking a smaller margin on the TB model. At Best Buy and other places, though, the non-TB version has been discounted almost from the time it came out.

Enterprise purchasers will catch up eventually! The reaction against the ports and some other things will work out in time.
 
Ordered mine 2 weeks ago should be here tomorrow. Can't wait. I know i'll run into some issues with device connectivity and the battery performance probably won't be the best especially at UNI but nothing a charger and USB-C hub won't fix.
 
I will say: no mag-safe, no cry.
I will say that I think Apple should've made the cord have a magnetic connector somewhere on it, like the aftermarket one has. It seems like an obvious thing to have, but maybe it would've hampered the fast charging, who knows.
 
Hello fellow Macsters.

I'm in need of reassurance and validation! Earlier this week I ordered a 13" Macbook Pro with touch-bar, 512GB SSD and 8GB RAM. I then got jittery about the longevity of a computer with 8GB RAM and decided to place a new order for the same machine with 16GB instead.

Now I've gotten jittery again, and upgraded to the 15" model, with an i7 processor.

I'm hoping to use the machine for some pretty heavy lifting, including editing 4k video and some pretty large photoshop projects. Down the line I'd like to connect up a couple of 27" high-res displays. I'd also like to connect up some fast external storage and potential audio equipment too. This machine will replace my current 2015 rMB and 2012 iMac.

Please, somebody tell me I've bought the right machine this time!
 
Please, somebody tell me I've bought the right machine this time!

My wife is still using my MBAir from 2011. Part of the reason is that even thought it's just the 11.6" model, I didn't settle for the lowest default, and paid for 4GB of RAM instead of 2GB. That difference made it last much longer. And Apple's machines are proving to be substantially durable.

If you're really editing 4K video, you'll never regret having the i7 instead of i5, and especially the discrete video memory. If you purchased a machine with less, you'd be likely to regret it, wishing all the time that you had just bit the bullet and bought the more powerful machine.
 
Hello fellow Macsters.

I'm in need of reassurance and validation! Earlier this week I ordered a 13" Macbook Pro with touch-bar, 512GB SSD and 8GB RAM. I then got jittery about the longevity of a computer with 8GB RAM and decided to place a new order for the same machine with 16GB instead.

Now I've gotten jittery again, and upgraded to the 15" model, with an i7 processor.

I'm hoping to use the machine for some pretty heavy lifting, including editing 4k video and some pretty large photoshop projects. Down the line I'd like to connect up a couple of 27" high-res displays. I'd also like to connect up some fast external storage and potential audio equipment too. This machine will replace my current 2015 rMB and 2012 iMac.

Please, somebody tell me I've bought the right machine this time!
You've done the right thing. You might even want to get the upgraded 460 dGPU for that 4K video editing. (And use Final Cut Pro X for optimization with you hardware.)
 
My wife is still using my MBAir from 2011. Part of the reason is that even thought it's just the 11.6" model, I didn't settle for the lowest default, and paid for 4GB of RAM instead of 2GB. That difference made it last much longer. And Apple's machines are proving to be substantially durable.

If you're really editing 4K video, you'll never regret having the i7 instead of i5, and especially the discrete video memory. If you purchased a machine with less, you'd be likely to regret it, wishing all the time that you had just bit the bullet and bought the more powerful machine.

You've done the right thing. You might even want to get the upgraded 460 dGPU for that 4K video editing. (And use Final Cut Pro X for optimization with you hardware.)

Thanks guys! I'm not usually a follower of synthetic benchmarks, but the multi-core gains of the i7 vs the i5 were massive. I'm hoping they'll translate to faster background rendering in FCPX. I also do VFX in After Effects so, again, having that raw power is handy.

I did consider the 460 upgrade but I've already blown my budget out of the water and didn't want to wait the extra two-weeks for a BTO to ship!

Is it right that, if I did ever need more GPU power then it's possible to use an external card these days?!
 
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I got mine last week (same model but in Silver). You won't be disappointed!

I know I won't be disappointed, I had 12" MacBook for a while, it was a nice machine so this is going to be a quite big step up in pretty much everything.
 
Just received my 15" Pro, never had a 15" MacBook before and my previous was a 11" air... this is awesome.

First impressions on the keyboard are good, I can type on it no problems. (I just hit the Siri touch bar button with my pinkie though).
 
My 13" 16GB, 512GB 2.9Ghz Touch Bar just arrived from China, took 8 days which accounted for 4 days at Easter.

Mac looks fine, however the shipping & the laptop box is crushed pretty badly in two corners, I really don't think I should but can't help but be bugged by it.

Is this worth caring about?
 
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What are your plans for the box?

Same as always, keep it in the original shipping box with all the manuals etc. so when I sell the Mac (probably within a year with this one) I can sell it boxed and in excellent condition.

Resale value is high on the list why I brought one now and not waited for 2nd gen.

Think I've answered my own question, seems super wasteful though to ship a laptop back to China and get a replacement for a damaged box, though there is no way they'd sell a new laptop like it in the Apple Store.
 
Same as always, keep it in the original shipping box with all the manuals etc. so when I sell the Mac (probably within a year with this one) I can sell it boxed and in excellent condition.

Resale value is high on the list why I brought one now and not waited for 2nd gen.

Think I've answered my own question, seems super wasteful though to ship a laptop back to China and get a replacement for a damaged box, though there is no way they'd sell a new laptop like it in the Apple Store.
Call the Apple Store or Apple and see if you can get a replacement box.
 
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