yeah I get it...the eSim is a PITA if you want to switch between phones.
I wish i could just snap my fingers and bring the physical sim back!
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I wish i could just snap my fingers and bring the physical sim back!
I use both physical SIMs and eSIMs on my S21 Ultra, both have their conveniences, but I'd rather have my personal number on a physical SIM.
If I shatter my screen and get another phone, I have to get a new eSIM QR, it means I'd have to connect to the Internet, complete an identification process, possibly pay a fee and wait for response from my carrier.
What if I don't have another way to connect on my hands or I don't remember my login credential because everything was being stored on my phone and I'm travelling without other devices? Tough luck I guess.
Physical sim? Pop out, pop in, done.
There is no way in hell that this is being done for the customer's convenience.
I've been eyeing the Apple flagships for a long time, but I guess that this will add to the list of motives keeping me on Android.
If I shatter my screen and get another phone, I have to get a new eSIM QR, it means I'd have to connect to the Internet, complete an identification process, possibly pay a fee and wait for response from my carrier.
What if I don't have another way to connect on my hands or I don't remember my login credential because everything was being stored on my phone and I'm travelling without other devices? Tough luck I guess.
Physical sim? Pop out, pop in, done.
There is no way in hell that this is being done for the customer's convenience.
I've been eyeing the Apple flagships for a long time, but I guess that this will add to the list of motives keeping me on Android.
Well, fraud is one huge reason to blame. Text message is used for a lot of 2FA authentication and CC purchase verification. Somebody can easily pop your sim into their phone and receive those texts. There's also been a thing of sim cloning thru malware being on a phone, or by corrupt employees selling info.
E-sim accounts are locked to the device, unless provisioned to a differ device by the carrier.
Another reason is cost. Sim cards ain't cheap. It can cost anywhere from $0.25 - $0.80 per sim, depending on the type of sim. Now I'm just guessing carriers get it cheaper with super bulk pricing, but that's still paying out a ton of money, just to get like an $0.08 per sim price. I was surprised when I read up on it.
Yea, it sucks going going through all these security steps, just to do something that we know as being simple. But expect e-sim to be the new standard in the coming years. Physical sims will be a thing of the past sooner than later.
You're supposed to have a PIN on your SIM for this reason.
As for malware and man-in-the-middle attacks, expect those to show up for eSIMs in the same fashion.
I remember hackers being able to physically clone SIMs by having physical access to them, but that was a long time ago. Not possible anymore since 20 years at least.
Almost nobody does that, or even knows about it. A user will have to acquire their sim pin, before they can change it to their own. Most users have done away with the card the sim was attached to that had the pin, or got their phone with sim already installed. And if a user does have the pin and changes it to their own, if they forget the pin, then they have to get a new sim to order to use it in another device. There's also x amount of pin attempts. We are talking about the general public here. 🥴
Yes e-sims will be exploited just like everything else. But it won't be so easy. Right now is too easy for even low IQ opportunists to commit fraud by stealing a sim.
Cloning sims is still a thing. Obviously not as widespread as before.
Are people really this stupid or careless? I need to enter my sim pin every morning when I turn my phone on. As do other people I know. The sim pin is in my head as well as written down.
People who turn it off every night. Who do you think
Which is probably less than 3% of users.
Who knows. I do not require my phone when I sleep so why the heck would I leave it on all night.
DND with certain people for emergencies that can dial through while it's on...
What makes you think if others can steal your passwords and pins and logons to accounts that then invoke 2FA why are they unable to obtain the same for online re-registration of esim that some carriers provide ?
Similar the extra customer support for esim swapping costs will far out weigh costs of physical sim cards
This is precisely why many countries require physical proof of passports or national ID cards when getting new and replacement sims/esims
Sorry I think the points you make are tenuous at best
I was around for cloning. If you think they can't clone it because it's inside a phone, you don't understand the black market.Almost nobody does that, or even knows about it. A user will have to acquire their sim pin, before they can change it to their own. Most users have done away with the card the sim was attached to that had the pin, or got their phone with sim already installed. And if a user does have the pin and changes it to their own, if they forget the pin, then they have to get a new sim to order to use it in another device. There's also x amount of pin attempts. We are talking about the general public here.
Yes e-sims will be exploited just like everything else. But it won't be so easy. Right now is too easy for even low IQ opportunists to commit fraud by stealing a sim.
Cloning sims is still a thing. Obviously not as widespread as before.
They will just clone the entire device with embedded SIM.
Like I said in my previous post. It will deter the low IQ opportunists that will require access to the physical sim. Which is how the majority of fraud from cloning sims is done.
This is actually why I keep my android devices on Google Fi and why I only buy unlocked android devices. I can switch seamlessly between esim or a actual Google Fi real sim. It's easy to request one too. My iPhone is kept on Verizon and I don't change iPhones oftEn so it makes sense.
I have many android phones and like to switch it up from tIme to time which is the joy of Android, the switch up is not interesting at all with Apple but every Android OEM may offer something different such as the UX/UI experiences and it helps create a more open feel and environment overall.
I recommend if anyone loves to buy android phones and switch around, the best network for that is Google Fi although they use borrowed network spectrums.
iPhones are great for straightforward basic smartphone tasks (and a bit complex tasks but there are many limits) and taking some nice pictures/excellent video but most midrange android phones are at least decent for this as well and have at least 3 years of updates as well and security fixes which is the usual period when most people upgrade.
You do buy a iPhone for that extended longevity of updates/security or midrange/high end androids by Samsung or Google for that similar longevity.
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But there are other reasons people buy iPhone's over Android. I have considered a 1st time purchase of an iPhone with Xfinity Mobile offering a $400 discount on the new iPhone 14's. One reason besides updates is the service aspect where if you need work on your phone or a battery replaced you can have Apple do it directly.
For me I use my phones for the basics, calls, text, email, maps and the occasional web browsing. I have about 10 years worth of customer appointments, information, contacts in my Apple calendar that can be accessed on an iPhone. For me that's a big plus. So that's something I have decided might be worth a look when I am out working to have that info on an iPhone instead of waiting to enter that info on my Mac when I get to my computer.
Also from what Apple has said when Ventura is released, we should be able to use an iPhone as a camera if we need it and since I have a Mac Mini, that's another plus.
I think both platforms have their +/- and in the end it is the customer who gets to decide if they will accept eSim 100% and not Apple. If sales go down with Apple exclusive use of eSim's then they might do an about face. I do think as phones start using eSim's solely, the carriers should streamline phone swaps.
We know who not to call for an emergency at night. LOL!
Well I caved and preordered a 14 Pro Max. I'm so damn weak. I still might cancel it but I wanted to get one reserved just in case. I used my iPhone 13PM while partying all weekend in Nashville and really missed using my Fold 4. It's definitely my favorite device right now.
Nah. You got what you wanted! Don't feel bad. You can return it. You'll hopefully love it.
I just can't do E-SIM. I would like a physical SIM for using an Android too. I got a new SIM. Still no 5G after going from E-SIM to physical. My V60 is gimped.
I dread not getting this fixed before E-SIM issues hit the call centers.
I ran by my local Verizon store to get any info on eSims and launch day iphones. They told me to power up my new iphone first...it should come up with a menu to setup your esim...then power on my old iphone and it will prompt me to transfer my esim from my old iphone to my new one. Soi hopefully this all goes as planned lol
Swapping a physical SIM is obviously the easiest method to switch but adding a line via eSIM has been fairly seamless the few times I've done it. Converted my physical to eSIM on my TMobile line right on my account on their website. Travelled to Europe this summer and added prepaid lines to all of our families phones via eSIM from confirmation emails I received after signing up. When we left, just removed the lines in settings.
Not sure for post-paid accounts but loaded one up on my iPhone this past June when we popped into London for a few days.
If I understand what I've read correctly, you can add up to 10 cellular plans to be saved in the iPhone settings. Only 2 lines can be active at once but once added, you can toggle them on/off as needed. Not sure though if you have do the same on an Android phone and just turn the line on/off between the different devices as needed.
Exactly. Night is for sleeping. As I no longer have elderly parents to worry about and my siblings live in other countries, nothing I need to hear about that can't wait until morning.
I hope for all of your sakes you don't end up without 5G for over a week and well into your birthday. Yay me. I just remember the chaos of CDMA and GSM, TSMC vs Intel I think, battery throttling, demanding if you need a charger buy it $$$ with plenty of plastic wrapping. Headphone jack? Nope!
If apple is leading, we're not going anywhere. Android needs to absolutely NOT follow suit. These companies can just steal your whole entire account. Physical phone, internal SIM, number...