'The Joe Rogan Experience' Returns to Apple Podcasts After 3-Year Hiatus

[Surf Monkey]

Please provide citation for this claim.

They just signed a new deal, if the previous deal was so detrimental to their business why did they renew?

Joe Rogan Renews at Spotify, but Will No Longer Be Exclusive

The streaming service announced a multiyear agreement that will make “The Joe Rogan Experience” available on YouTube, Apple Podcasts and more.

www.nytimes.com

Spotify’s New Joe Rogan Deal Brings the Company Full Circle

After years of splurging and expanding, the audio platform’s podcast strategy has backtracked.

www.vulture.com

Did you read the terms of the new deal? You should. It’s what this thread is supposedly about.

 

[Konrad9]

I don't understand all the vitriol towards Rogan. I don't agree with everything he says or does, but silencing dissenting opinions isn't a good idea. It's a podcast, there are thousands if not millions of podcasts you could choose to listen to or not listen to.

Refusing to provide a platform to people who knowingly repeat misinformation and hate is a very good idea.

 

[icanhazmac]

Did you read the terms of the new deal? You should. It’s what this thread is supposedly about.

Yup, sure did. No where in any reading can I find support for your claims which is why I asked you for citation.

 

[icanhazmac]

Watch this video from 1:30 and also from 2:43

Rather well documented. Using a word does not make one a racist. You can argue that certain folks cannot or should not use certain words but if one chooses to speak a word in an effort to have a broader discussion about that word is different than spewing it in a hateful way.

I don’t think any words should be banned and their use in conversation should have its context taken into consideration.

YMMV on this topic but instead of gotcha sound bites you should listen to the whole conversations wrapped around the usage before just labeling someone a racist for uttering the word.

I would be more interested in your argument if in the context of the whole conversation you found hateful usage. My guess is you just knew of this montage and want to point to it and scream racist versus actually knowing the context of the conversations. Sound bites can always be made to sound horrible.

 

[icanhazmac]

Say the word then, if you don’t think you’re signifying racism by its use.

No thank you, that is gotcha BS.

I would not be afraid to use any word in thoughtful conversation where the group discussion is contributing to an overall good. Context is everything.

I honestly feel sorry for anyone who doesn’t thinks any word or topic is open for discussion in a nuanced and thoughtful manner.

 

[DFZD]

Rather well documented. Using a word does not make one a racist. You can argue that certain folks cannot or should not use certain words but if one chooses to speak a word in an effort to have a broader discussion about that word is different that spewing it in a hateful way.

I don’t think any words should be banned and their use in conversation should have its context taken into consideration.

YMMV on this topic but instead of gotcha sound bites you should listen to the whole conversations wrapped around the usage before just labeling someone a racist for uttering the word.

I would be more interested in your argument if in the context of the whole conversation you found hateful usage. My guess is you just knew of this montage and want to point to it and scream racist versus actually knowing the context of the conversations. Sound bites can always be made to sound horrible.

I expected exactly this from you. This is why I mentioned two parts from the clip but you ignored the second one.

Also if free speech was absolute, we'll be here seeing people defending even more vile statements and next thing we know we will be spending all our time debating flat earthers and holocaust deniers. This is why its important to clean this up at least from the mainstream, to ensure a safe space for people from all backgrounds.

 

[KRBM]

No thank you, that is gotcha BS.

I would not be afraid to use any word in thoughtful conversation where the group discussion is contributing to an overall good. Context is everything.

Even if most members of said group have a dark skin tone? Surely you’d need to have strong representation if you want the group discussion to contribute to an overall good.

 

[Steve686]

Wait, what did Apple do?

Put Rogan in their library of podcasts

 

[MrX8503]

Joe challenges controversial ideologies that mainstream media won't, which makes some people uncomfortable. But I think it is healthy for our society to have some balance and debate in our discourse. I think this is a big reason it is the #1 podcast.

Debating known lies isn't healthy or good for society.

 

[FriendlyMackle]

We call these Strawman arguments, with a bit of “won’t someone please think of the children?” sprinkled in.

You made up a bunch of things that didn’t happen and disagreed with those, then you implied he might be pro child molesting. Who’s spreading hate and disinformation now?

If it’s good enough for the Supreme Court, why not here!?

 

[nnoble]

UK should block this creep.

 

[FineWoven]

Because his episodes are 3 hours long. I have a life that I rather spend doing better stuff, not listen to a podcast host that endorsed Ron Desantis.

Lol he has not formally endorsed anyone for political office running in this current cycle so not sure where you’re getting that from…

And that’s awfully presumptuous of you to assume I don’t have a life because I have a favorite podcast. Many podcasts are long-form these days, often running well over 90 minutes or more. If only there was a way to control playback of media so you could stop and pick up where you left off but we just don’t have the technology yet to do such a thing with our instantly transmissible mass media that is contained within our magic light boxes we carry in our pockets.

Also I have a 45-60 minute commute one way to work everyday. Did you think I just sit in a dark room every night listening to his show or something? Rogan haters are weird man 😂

 

[FineWoven]

How are religious debates for the good of the majority? Did you really think that mentioning this is going to help improve his image?

You’re seriously asking how it could be anything besides a net benefit to use such a large platform to expose people to different ways of thinking about things and viewing the world in which they live? Yikes. I’m sad for you. Thoughts and prayers.

 

[J.A.K.]

That reminds me of the recent Massey Lectures presented by Astra Taylor who interrogated the nature of insecurity and how it pertains to systemic loss of freedoms and the difference between positive and negative rights.

You can find them with a web search as audio files and, I believe, a podcast.

 

[FineWoven]

Debating known lies isn't healthy or good for society.

Known lies? Oh yeah like the “known lie” at one point about that recent novel virus that definitely didn’t originate from a lab and then a growing number of scientists and governments around the world said “Mmmmmm actually there’s AT LEAST like a 50/50 chance that’s what happened” and then it was no longer regarded as a “known lie” anymore? 🙃

Good thing smart people such as yourself work tirelessly to defend us from these dangerous conspiracies by shutting down everyone wishing to debate settled topics or a bunch of scientists would’ve looked pretty silly with that one!

 

[FineWoven]

Joe is only part of the problem. The real issue is he invites controversial people to legitimise them for personal gain. Imagine this is still 1930s and Joe Rogan is having beer podcasts with Nazi Sympathisers. Do you feel that should be promoted in name of free speech?

Yes. That is literally the whole point of true freedom of speech. Who gets to decide what constitutes a Nazi? These days that word gets tossed around like it’s nothing. So if you say you don’t like the color green and I‘m in a position of power within the government who thinks that makes you a Nazi, I should be able to silence you or sentence you to prison on your opinions of the color green?

Yeah I mean what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Zest28]

Known lies? Oh yeah like the “known lie” at one point about that recent novel virus that definitely didn’t originate from a lab and then a growing number of scientists and governments around the world said “Mmmmmm actually there’s AT LEAST like a 50/50 chance that’s what happened” and then it was no longer regarded as a “known lie” anymore? 🙃

Good thing smart people such as yourself work tirelessly to defend us from these dangerous conspiracies by shutting down everyone wishing to debate settled topics or a bunch of scientists would’ve looked pretty silly with that one!

"Misinformation" was simply used by Dr. Fauci and the government to mislead the public at every turn by demeaning anyone, even their own health community who disagreed with him.

Mister "I am the science" has been a spreader of misinformation himself. Dr. Fauci has given contrary advice regarding the source of the virus, the transmissibility of the virus, the virulence of the virus, the efficacy of masks and vaccines, the efficacy of social distancing, and so on ....

Anyway, I'm staying out of this thread as I'm on this forum for Apple related stuff.

 

[wanha]

Put Rogan in their library of podcasts

Apple didn't put rogan in their library of podcasts, as all Apple does is maintain a directory.

Rogan put the podcast in that directory, just like I did with my podcast. Apple made no decision on this whatsoever.

 

[Steve686]

Apple didn't put rogan in their library of podcasts, as all Apple does is maintain a directory.

Rogan put the podcast in that directory, just like I did with my podcast. Apple made no decision on this whatsoever.

My lord the simplicity is maddening.

Do you not know Apple reviews podcasts before they are released for download?

 

[wanha]

My lord the simplicity is maddening.

Do you not know Apple reviews podcasts before they are released for download?

"Apple is betting on Rogan being in the podcast tree, so that will get people using Apple's platform. Click click click later, other podcasts get selected and Apple's ad revenue has increased.

You think Apple did this without a reason?"

Who do you think reviewed the podcast? Tim Cook and the executive team or some low level employee who reviews podcasts for objectionable content?

The reason Apple did this is because they had no reason to object to it, just like they review every other podcast.

There's no business master plan behind this, just business as usual.

And yes, it does benefit Apple, but not because of Apple's actions but rather the negotiation result between Spotify and Rogan.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Yes. That is literally the whole point of true freedom of speech. Who gets to decide what constitutes a Nazi? These days that word gets tossed around like it’s nothing. So if you say you don’t like the color green and I‘m in a position of power within the government who thinks that makes you a Nazi, I should be able to silence you or sentence you to prison on your opinions of the color green?

Yeah I mean what could possibly go wrong?

What could go wrong is that people get the wrong impression of what freedom of speech even is, leading to some very long winded rants that no one really cares to hear.

 

[FineWoven]

What could go wrong is that people get the wrong impression of what freedom of speech even is, leading to some very long winded rants that no one really cares to hear.

You mean that YOU don’t care to hear

 

[Steve686]

"Apple is betting on Rogan being in the podcast tree, so that will get people using Apple's platform. Click click click later, other podcasts get selected and Apple's ad revenue has increased.

You think Apple did this without a reason?"

Who do you think reviewed the podcast? Tim Cook and the executive team or some low level employee who reviews podcasts for objectionable content?

The reason Apple did this is because they had no reason to object to it, just like they review every other podcast.

There's no business master plan behind this, just business as usual.

And yes, it does benefit Apple, but not because of Apple's actions but rather the negotiation result between Spotify and Rogan.

Let me give you the simplest example I can since you think Apple doesn’t make choices.

Alex Jones. Infowars.

Why isn’t he on Apple Podcasts?

Because Apple banned him.

Easy enough to understand?

 

[Surf Monkey]

You mean that YOU don’t care to hear

I mean exactly what I said and I think you really need to read up on what freedom of speech means in the US legal framework. Because what you’re talking about isn’t it.

 

[IlluminatedSage]

Why are Spotify paying if he's not even exclusive?

Spotify is paying because they are his distributor and ad sales partner now. so everything is going through them still as a partnership.

This is great. Rogan needs a wide listenership and easy access. if people want to skip most ads, sure Spotify is there. but glad the show is widely available.