yeah censorship stinks. Alex Jones ought to not be silenced. It's not just about political voices, it's about censoring apps and competition too.
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'The Joe Rogan Experience' Returns to Apple Podcasts After 3-Year Hiatus
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Spotify pays to retain exclusive rights to the ADVERTISING on his show. Only Spotify can charge for ads on it. That’s what they get out of it. Ending the exclusive streaming deal is a play to make the show more appealing to advertisers. Because they can’t continue to gamble that Rogan won’t utterly discredit their company with his asinine disinformation show on their own.
Who has censored Alex Jones or Joe Rogan? No one. Who has violated their freedom of speech? No one. This argument that they’re somehow victims who are being silenced by the government is nonsense.
I don't disagree with your view that the individual is ultimately responsible- particularly when discussing Joe Rogan. But I think that other's are reacting to this as yet another example of entertainment masquerading as some important source of information on potentially important topics (at least topics they care about). I would also just ask you to consider the families impacted by Alex Jones and his "alternative" view of the reality of Sandyhook. Sure, you would paint those that made the families sorrow and time to mourn unbearable as ultimately responsible, but Alex Jones and his words were also responsible-at least according to a jury of his peers. For me, there are just too many clear examples throughout history to dismiss the power of words and the influence of a single voice on individual or individuals. Don't you think propaganda and advertising work? All of us are susceptible, some more than others.
Why are people complaining I thought it was all about INCLUSIVENESS, not hating someone for having different views of reality like the other side. Welcome to the Matrix.
This argument again? No one except the most rabid extremists would suggest that “inclusiveness” is intended to include racists, insurrectionists, fascists…
K.
Please provide references then for all the judicial cases in US history regarding the First Amendment that you feel I should “read up on” so that I can hope to attain your superior level of knowledge on such a basic right. I’ll wait.
No matter how shocking or hateful you personally feel someone’s speech to be, it is protected under law. Like I honestly don’t know what else to tell you. Either you simply don’t understand this or you understand it but don’t want to accept it.
Oh, please. All you’re doing is exposing your ignorance of the basic legal framework. In specific you could start with the Bill of Rights:
The Bill of Rights: A Transcription
Note: The following text is a transcription of the enrolled original of the Joint Resolution of Congress proposing the Bill of Rights, which is on permanent display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum. The spelling and punctuation reflects the original. On September 25, 1789, the...
www.archives.gov
It should be abundantly clear based on the first amendment alone that neither Jones nor Rogan has been censored or limited in their speech at all. So my point stands. Claiming this is a freedom of speech issue is hogwash. Completely and total hogwash.
Lying ”official” ”facts” too? Know hundreds of examples of that….
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Wait…you were under the impression that I was arguing that they were ever censored by the State..? Of course they haven’t been, at least not in the US anyway. Private companies have certainly surpressed/banned them in America but that is a different discussion entirely. Omfg I can’t believe you wasted your time trying to prove me wrong on a point I was clearly never making in the first place 😂Oh, please. All you’re doing is exposing your ignorance of the basic legal framework. In specific you could start with the Bill of Rights:
The Bill of Rights: A Transcription
Note: The following text is a transcription of the enrolled original of the Joint Resolution of Congress proposing the Bill of Rights, which is on permanent display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum. The spelling and punctuation reflects the original. On September 25, 1789, the...
It should be abundantly clear based on the first amendment alone that neither Jones nor Rogan has been censored or limited in their speech at all. So my point stands. Claiming this is a freedom of speech issue is hogwash. Completely and total hogwash.
And simply giving the link to the official Bill of Rights page still isn’t a judicial case of any kind that I asked you to provide and you couldn’t or didn‘t want to find even one example. Come on now, surely you can do better than all this intellectual laziness.
My previous point bears reiterating seeing as if you had actually read it (perhaps a bit slower) you could‘ve saved yourself the trouble of your whole comment.
Yes UK is well known for silencing people… there is a name for that.
That’s not an attribute exclusive to Joe Rogan. I have enjoyed his long form interviews with political candidates that really allow you to get to know the person’s thoughts and viewpoints beyond the 10 second sound bite you normally get.
His laid back interview style has also been appealing because it puts his guests at ease.
Don’t say freedom of speech. Your argument is already smoking. Trying to make this a freedom of speech issue again will make it burst into flames.
His lame, fake credulity is an act. It’s how he justifies platforming reprehensible individuals. “Golly! I’m just asking questions.” It’s surprising that anyone is actually fooled by that.
I think people have the right to say awful things, even if I don't like it. I even think people have a right to say awful things to me. (Which has happened on many occasions)
Free speech means having the right to say things that people don't like or find offensive.
It’s clear where you stand on this. Claiming that companies have “suppressed” Rogan is a big tell. So is your disingenuous attempt to portray me as lazy. That’s false. Showing you case law isn’t necessary.
Even Kanye used to think that way until he reached the "Found Out" phase.
I'm siding with J.A.K. here, I had to add back in the quote from the prior post, it should be first in the above.
I'm sorry but give me a break. Consider Alex Jones who said Sandy Hook never happened and it was all a hoax. He much like Joe Rogan said a lot of garbage and some bad stuff happened when his followers started going after the families who were actual victims. He got called out for it and sued into oblivion. So if you want to talk about dangerous, how about that? People had to deal with death threats because someone made up lies about them, and had the platform to spread their lies to a broad audience.
It was the same with Pizzagate.
And the "stolen election" where poll workers were threatened for simply doing their jobs, and quit for safety concerns where no proof of fraud was ever found.
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If you're actively threatening harm against someone, that's a different story. (Even then some threats are non-credible) But the state controlling speech is also dangerous. Look, Alex Jones is a nut, but I also think he has a right to be a nut.
Well, the courts said otherwise when his nutty free speech caused others direct harm, which is what happened. There are and should be limits on free speech, per Alex Jones and Giuliani's 2020 election stupidity. Giuliani got sued and lost because he made up lies as well that caused others harm. That's not controlling free speech, that's making people responsible for their actions when they caused other people distress.
This is what I dislike about Rogan, he says whatever he wants but when there are real world consequences or it looks like he's about to get into trouble, he walks back his comments and defaults to saying he's not responsible since he's just some guy on the internet and shouldn't be believed.
He can't have it both ways. Either use your pulpit responsibly or shut your mouth if you can't take the heat.
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Dude, I've literally gotten rape threats online. Believe me, I know threats that people can make.
No he didn’t. He ran up against no law. He said heinous things and that’s his right. The consequences he faced were all his own doing.